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  1. Admittedly, it depends on the author and even the mood of the chapter. Shorter chapters that work well are usually humorous or sharply focused on an emotion like angst or pining. Short chunks are sometimes a drive-by posting without character or plot advancement when an author wants to post something but is verbally flailing as to what. I've written shorter than a drabble when there is a total breakpoint for characters, and up to about 7k which are usually my finales. I prefer to write 1k to 4k. I like to read in that range as well. I can and have spent many hours on one well written and gripping story. (I won a bet with myself as a teen and read a thousand page paperback in one twelve hour binge-) But one of the reasons for chapters is to control the pacing of the stories, balancing plot, character, and climaxes. I know I have to end the chapter when a cliffhanger appears, otherwise I’m wasting the tension and reader’s wishes to know what happens next. One of the sweetest things is to see comments from readers howling to know what comes next. If the chapter seems on the short side I may go back and add or elaborate on a scene, but my muse is usually insistent on stopping if the narrative hits a cliffhanger. Another is to break the story into manageable chunks, as a writer and as a reader. (don’t we all tend to write what we like?) Chapters longer than about 6k, if that is typically clear from story stats, already have a strike against them. They require longer blocks of time and I cannot count on uninterrupted time as I got older. If I often get interrupted by RL I lose track of events and have to go backwards to refresh the story's flow. Really long chapters above 15k are approaching novella (and I'm reluctant to even start stories like that in fandoms I follow). There are several fanfics I've loved but had ended up dropping as I could not easily reenter chapters partway through without a visual marker. (I cannot dog-ear a scrolling page like I did before reformatting electronic books) I kept looking a while back when I started revising an original for professional publication and found answers ranging somewhere below 10k but no upper limit. One of the better suggestions was a chapter that most readers can finish in about fifteen minutes. Guessing that is another story, but 5k in 15 min → 333 words/minute as words per page is a slippery value... The time for editing long chapters or even stories is not a linear relationship either but a steep curve. I can easily edit a 1k flash in a day. A 2k is a day also. A 5k can run a week, even outside any time for a beta. A 60k novel? The sheer bulk is not just intimidating, but tracking all the bits of theme, character, plot and finicky details can drive you mad. I still have not come up with a way to organize it for my novels. I have found as my life got busier, I enjoy strong shorter pieces more, as a reader and as inspiration. One of my favorite writers right now can write an evocative, insightful story that rips your heart out in under a thousand words, many times a week. (Sorry to ramble on in a topic about length but answering tl:dr would not explain why that applies to fiction as well)
    4 points
  2. I have to see exactly where i want to take it, but my gut feeling is that Episode #15 will be on the shorter side. (Includes a small challenge prompted by @CloverReef )
    3 points
  3. If I’m writing chaptered based, then yeah, I’m all for the cliffhanger, but if I’m doing it as an episodic serial, essentially as a series of oneshots around the same set of characters, I tend to wrap up at the end of the episode (though I still like to toss in that cliffhanger when I can ) This is one reason I try to push for shorter chapters, the “chunking” it up forthe reader. If I hit 10k, I look to split, but that’s my rule of thumb. Of course, it’s not a hard rule, if there’s reason for it to go a bit higher, I’ll let it, but it will most definitely be split if it goes much higher (I’ll find a spot to break it). Have I mentioned my story database for details? The other reason for shorter chapters is the author side. For the Repair Guy I experimented with shorter chapters (~2k), and I was pumping out chapters every day or two, which was most definitely fun. With Jefferey and it’s 7kword (average) episodes, it’s more like once every two weeks for new material. Another thing is that if I find that it takes 10kwords “just to get started” on an episode/chapter, it likely means I’m trying to do too much with the chapter/episode, so it’s better to break it up and focus on the different elements one at a time. It’s better for the readers, better for me.
    2 points
  4. I know with many authors, the chapter ends whenever the author believes it to be done, but my question is, what do readers prefer? Personally, I can't stand super short chapters, anything less than 1,000, really, because it feels rushed or that it hasn't gone anywhere. I generally write about 2,000 to 3,000 word stories, and recently got a review that, although saying they loved my story, the chapters were too short. I know its personal preference for some people, but I also know that longer chapters can get overbearing. I've read some stories with chapters with up to 30,000 words, which I won't complain about, other than the fact that if I somehow manage to screw up when I'm scrolling down (which, surprisingly, happens a lot) I tend to lose my place. Like, right now, I'm working on a new story, and the first chapter is shy of 3,000. With the way I write, it's usually not hard for me to keep it going to make it feel a little more filled out, but I also don't want to write to the extent of overbearing. Anyway, back on topic, how long, as a reader, do you prefer your chapters?
    1 point
  5. Tip for the day, write down those voices in your head, that way you go from being “Crazy” to “Crazy Author”.
    1 point
  6. New phones always fall on the first day. It’s a universal law. It’s motherfriggin science. If you got a new phone and it didn’t drop the first day, then you’re a witch and you need to stop cheating because it’s not fair.
    1 point
  7. Finally, after a couple days of fretting over this, got a reasonable outline to the critical part to Ep 14…. had to sort out the full picture before I could restrict it to just the MC’s point of view.
    1 point
  8. My chapters typically range 5-7k; though they have been longer and shorter. If I’m reaching 10k, I’ll generally be looking to see if the chapter should be split. I did experiment with one story, going deliberately shorter, around 2-3k, and overall, I liked the outcome for that story, but it’s not necessarily good for every story to be like that.
    1 point
  9. The chapters I write tend to hover in the 2000-2500 word range, though I've had a few between 1600 and 1800 words, and a few that were over 4000. I've found that overall range is where I like the chapters I read to be, also - though I'm willing to make exceptions for exceptional prose.
    1 point
  10. I completely agree. Bite-sized chapters work extremely well in some works (especially if there are a lot of simultaneous plot threads); other works need longer chapters to really get you into a scene.
    1 point
  11. I personally don't like posting a chapter with less than a thousand words--unless it's in response to a challenge or is one of my drabbles. I think drabbles are my biggest challenge; describing a scene so that it draws people in with such a limited amount of words is difficult for me, because I. Like. Words. All of my actual chaptered stories, I try to keep a minimum of a few thousand words. Some are longer. Some are a lot longer. As a reader, I'm pretty much the same in preference. I love longer chapters, longer stories, the intricacies and details that can be revealed in a well-written work. Knowing this about myself makes me more aware that I need to branch out periodically, though, and so occasionally I find myself reading short stories, drabbles, and poems. Some are absolute gems--like the drabble collection A Karakura Ghost Story by black.k.kat on FF. And some writers are just worth reading, whatever the length of story or whoever it's focused around. DG and Kurahieiritr are right: the length of a chapter should probably depend the most on the story flow, style, syntax, and how it reads--both as a standalone chapter and as part of the whole.
    1 point
  12. Very true, DG. Some writers spend time with additional elements outside of dialog and basic actions so require more room for their writing to flow well. I tend toward longer chapters, and yet I have a strong group of followers because of my descriptions and emotional keys. Without such keys, the stories I write would be very lame reading. Style and syntax play an important role in any story chapter written. The best styles for one writer do not transfer well to another writer's style. With that being said, a short story writer does well with a few words to bring out the most of those few words actions and impacts. Longer novel writers need more room to create complex woven descriptions and very realistic characters. It really does come down tot he flow and harmonics of a story and the requirements to pull off the most powerful and enjoyable form.
    1 point
  13. As a reader, it depends on how the chapter flows. I've read very long chapters, and liked them just fine, and the same goes for short chapters. It really depends on how the chapter itself READS overall.
    1 point
  14. I like long and short chapters both as a reader and as a writer. IF the chapter is well written I can read 20 pages without a problem. . . . IF . . . it is poorly written, I can't stomach more than 1 page before I have to leave and look for something else. So long as the plot is advancing and the details support the development, I will stick with any number of pages. My problem with most really short chapters is the lack of details for my imagination to work correctly in the max enjoyment category. Leaving characters in a blank space is one thing I have seen many fan fiction writers do over the last few years. I would rather read an extra page that places them in a grounded area than founder as I do with those types of chapters.
    1 point
  15. Chapters I tend to try and keep under 6k. The one I'm currently writing is averaging at just under 2500. Short stories on the other hand are anywhere between 140 characters (twitfics for DD+DT) to well, the skies the limit!
    1 point
  16. Storyline development is fine, but something as long as my senior thesis isn't something I'm going to read unless it's in print. Babisko asked for opinions, I gave mine as a reader. Yours may differ. We're talking about reading online - that's my opinion.
    1 point
  17. As a reader, I don't like super long chapters. Anything that makes my scrollbar look thinner than a sheet of notebook paper (yep, I've seen 'em), is too long, and I'm not going to read it. Around 3000-5000 words is generally good, but it also depends on what you're writing about. Some subject don't lend themselves to superbly long chapters. While expounding on things can be good, sometimes more is just more. And I don't think under 1000 words always indicates it being rushed. The DD&DT bi-weekly challenge here in the forums requires the submission to be less than 1000 words. It can actually be quite a challenge to write a comprehensive piece that fulfills the requirements without making it feel rushed or forced.
    1 point
  18. My mom died this week. She had been on a downward spiral since my dad died a couple of months ago; she missed him terribly, and I think it was more than her limited mental resources (she had multi-infarct dementia) could handle. But she told me years ago that she had done everything really important that she wanted to do in her life, so whenever death came, she would be all right with it. Knowing that makes me all right with it, too.
    0 points
  19. Hah, I WISH I had time for recreational reading. I sorely miss it.
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