Keith Inc.
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This woman actually believes that having fantasies about children is punishable by law. First off, ,,,,
Second, ....
Third, how would you tag the evidence?
Eh, it's a military standard, never reinforce defeat. If a few attempts to get your side of the story don't work, cut your losses and run. Consider that the villagers have burned the bridge behind you. You're probably better off out of such a place, where the 1st amendment seems to read 'Maximum freedom for anyone that agrees with me, minimum for everyone else.'
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Well the old testament has alot of interesting stuff to work from, like why in the hell was noah THAT pissed off at his son for seeing him naked when he was the one who passed out drunk? Possibly some deep seated emotional trauma from when he walked in on his naked dad...?
Oh, i wrote that one.
http://books.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600093423
Noah's reaction reminds me a lot of sailors when you suggest that since one man in 10 is gay, some homosexual has probably seen them in the shower, naked. They go right off their nut.
Noah cursed, not himself or grapes or wine, or even Ham, but Ham's fourth son.
It's that sort of bugknuckle insane reaction that makes me think Noah thought Ham was gay. And if he had four sons, while Noah only had three, that made him appear to be more manly than Noah.
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A conversation on another forum lead to speculation on maybe discussing "sexual projections in Biblical myths" on the board.
I do feel that there are a lot of repeating ideas in the Bible, stuff that appeals to us across the centuries for the common basis in the human psyche that we all share at least a part of (except for certain among you, and you know who you are. You'd better know, the restraining orders were clearly posted). But doubt the thread would be terribly successful on that board. Many would dismiss any claims that there were sexual projections IN the stories, saying it said more about the biases and philias of the person claiming it was a sexual story. Even the one about the woman with lovers hung like donkeys....
Although, i suggested that such a thread might become a wonderful source document for bible slash fanfic.
Maybe one could change 'tare up' from the slaughter of 42 kids to a less offensive zoophilic pedophile orgy: 1 prophet, 2 bears, two score and two children.... "Go up, thou bald head," changing from a taunt to a cheer. "Look! His bald head is going up!"
And suddenly the day had purpose...
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Keith, while perhaps (PERHAPS) small parts of the Transformers test were jokes, they shouldn't be. It's not like people won't be seriously using the test to grade their characters.
Why shouldn't they be? It seems to me that the test you quoted was written in reaction to MSLT's, exactly because they felt that MSLT's suck the major ass.
I don't see why that's a problem.And besides, it's not the first test I've read that involves negative points in questions.The whole idea of a litmus test is that various data points lead one towards or away from a conclusion, rather than offer up a silver-bullet answer. the goal is to fix a character's position on a number line, close to or far from the measured state.
It's not saying that any single character that has superpowers is a Mary Sue. If she does, and you have a logical argument for it, and the rest of the test doesn't really apply, then you've got nothing to worry about.
If someone gives their character a phobia, especially such an illogical one as a major clown phobia, then no matter how many coincidental matches there are on the test, they've still made a choice about the character that moves her significantly away from the classic Mary Sue. Mary Sue never even has a bad hair day, muchless pee her panties at the sight of a man in particolored clothes with facepaint.
Well, test construction is a difficult process. If you're really weighting tests for a defensible result, you need to take them and retake them, adjust the weights, get other people to take them, discuss the question content, the question order, references, word choices... You know, work. Most Litmus Tests are just opinion essays framed as a point-assaying test. Even if this one is perfectly sincere, i doubt they use the proper exam creation reference material and frameworks of the industry.Some tests say that it's impossible to get negative points in their test and not to worry about it. Which is another stupid thing to say, and upon making a test it should be possible to get a score of zero, just like when taking a pop quiz it should be possible to get a perfect score. Without deliberately going through the questions and saying "Well for that I must have a slashy guy" and so on. -
Fifth, it asks if she suffers from a pathological phobia of clowns. That's negative twenty.
Sixth, it asks if she sings Don't Cry For Me Argentina in a loud, bellowing voice, which is negative ten. Does that mean to knock off a few points, my character HAS to sing, badly? And they have to sing that song? Why that song?
Seventh, it says that if your character comes lurching out of their coffin you can knock off twenty points, because the writer of the test would like to see that.
Um...i think this test was satire.
From the last line of your post, i'm not entirely sure if you did or didn't realize that....
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I dislike putting author notes in a chapter, unless it's the very last chapter. it seems to me to break the flow of the story. I mean, even more than posting individual pages in the board format....[/cent][/cent]
I post reviews of my own. Even if the reader never returns and sees if i answered a question, someone else may have the same question.
And since i allow anonymous reviews, i don't always have a contact point.
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I've just finished the 20th chapter, or episode, of an imagined sequel to the Irwin Allen 60s series, Land of the Giants.
I've tried to preserve the justified paranoia of the original, but not the complete ignoring of characters or character development. It's been more work than i've ever put into a story that had no sex scenes, and feels very rewarding.
Title:Escape from Land of the Giants
Author: Keith Inc.
Rating: Adult (some violence, a little objectifying, but still a TV show. No sex)
Summary: Earth has discovered the Giant planet. The governments don't trust each other, but manage to make a deal, captured humans for Earth technology. An SID agent who is something of a political misfit and a human partner work on the Exchange in Coastal City. A garrison of Marines and a giant Secretary flesh out the regulars.
Feedback: Oh, i am a review WHORE! Good, bad, your mother wears army boots, i love every sort of feedback. And she's a size 7, thanks.
Fandom: Land of the Giants.
URL: http://tv.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600093848
Thanx for reading my little boast, here. Hope you read, really hope you enjoy the story.
Keith Inc.
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Well, yeah, unless there's a problem with the names that impacts enjoying the story.Names should be left of of critiques at least I think.A family tale of long-lived characters that all had names within a few consonants of each other was a fucking mess to read. I don't remember the actual names but it was like four-syllable versions of:
"Bob turned to Rob who was holding Hobb in a headlock. They all turned as Boe and Roe entered, each turning to Bob for an explanation. Tob came in and shot them all with a weapon clipped to his watch fob."
I swear, you needed to read the story with graph paper.
I'm sure that a family with such traditions in legal names would just use nicknames around the dining table.
But you're right, there's no value added in a critique of made-up names for the sake of their being made up.
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I don't think i'm jealous of Mary or Marty Sue. I mean, i have my own fantasies. And in a daydream, I do become the rescuer, the shoulder that's cried on, the know it all, and the commanding officer. I am everything Mary Sue has ever wanted to be, except for certain
But i don't write them down.
With or without sex, the Mary Sue story seems, to me, to be masturbation. I'm not envious of anyone's ability to bring themselves off. Nor particularly judgmental about how someone crafts and staffs their fantasies. I just don't particularly want to watch.
When i write, either i am trying to create a story, balanced characters, something that appeals to a reader;
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I'm writing for a fetish fandom, as a direct tool for masturbation. So the Marty Sue-ity of my protagonist isn't a concern. Except for how much of my internal landscape i'm willing to shine a public light on.
Even then, actually, i'm shaping the scene, away from what just makes me hot to something that might have wider appeal.
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Well, if it's a low fat ice cream cone...
Oh, well that changes everything.
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yeah, that's healthy.I don't want to be mean but BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Come on now, who gives a shit about moral crap if its just a flamer you're worried about. People's so called morality will always clash, don't worry about shit like that. If they can't handle your shit they can go fuck themselves with an ice cream cone. And this whole CONTRO crap is retarded, just write whatever you want and if people can't handle it fuck em'. -
I started out writing in fetish fiction.
The most positive feedback you get there is for something that goes directly to the scenes they come to HighHeelScrotumTapDanceing dot net for. And, frankly, writing with grammar, spellchecking, accurate use of verb tense, makes you look like a god among men in most fetish fandoms. So PWP is really easy to write and really, really popular.
But i've come to enjoy trying to get characterization, development, something that a fan referred to as 'pathos' in my stories. What the second Musketeer has to do with TV Fanfic, i'm not sure...
So, i've got....quite a few stories. Everything from PWP to Porn in every chapter, to whole stories without smex.
If i was going to pitch anything for sex-free character development story it'd be:
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would it really do anything? there's a thread on here about people ignoring tags that say things like death, rape, minor, etc. and still flamimg the author for having the content they were warned about. if a reader ignores the tags, why wouldn't they ignore the contro paragraph?
that's what i said.
But it's starting to grow on me. At least the author can rest assured, sitting in a position of moral superiority, that they have taken every step in making the attempt to illuminate their goals and motives in making the effort.
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Yeah, it's not going to be possible to make it a hard and fast rule with clear outlines.the CONTRO sounds like a good idea, but i think it needs to be used as an optional choice.This would be something that might be expected, as i understand the discussion, encouraged or suggested, but not demanded.
You mention BDSM. that reminds me of a book i picked up in Waldens a few years back.
I've read a few stories where the characters indulge in some sort of fantasy play, including master/slave and other dominance games. Usually the author either just goes ahead with the scene or has a paragraph about how it's all harmless play as long as everyone is a consenting adult. At most a couple more paragraphs about how the submissive partner is actually in charge, they're the ones with the power to end the fantasy.
This book, the author was black. The characters were black. They mutually agreed to enjoy some master and slave loveplay. the author spent, IIRC, a page and a half making sure that everyone understood that the love play was just a game, not to be taken as any sort of validation of the industry of slave taking/owning/trading or the institution of slavery, AND that it was all just fun and games between consenting adults, AND that it didn't mean that they'd take any crap from an abusive redneck...
I wish i could remember what book that was in because it would make an excellent CONTRO chapter.
I would guess that the warning would be entirely on the shoulders of the author. If they get a lot of grief over a scene, or expect a lot of grief over a topic, element, lubricant, then they should add an explanation.
What i want to do here is explore what might be good or bad ways to go about it, and maybe good reasons for it.
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I am strangely fascinated by the idea of a controversy chapter as discussed at the end of the thread here: http://www2.adult-fanfiction.org/forum/inde...?showtopic=6629
There are certain guidelines for story disclaimers.
There are standards for the lists of warnings.
I would suggest that anyone writing a CONTRO introductory chapter should meet some guidelines as well.
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This is an attempt to start graphing them out. What topics deserve such exposition, what to put in the warning chapter. I've written one CONTRO chapter so far. It's an introduction to some slash fiction involving biblical characters. I expect to write one for chapters involving vore and other lethal sexual interests. Perhaps one for the xenophilia stories. And the Jack Chick slash, of course.
As for the tone of the warning/explanation:
First and foremost, the very fact of writing a CONTRO chapter indicates your awareness that there is or will be controversy about some part of the story. You're acknowledging that people will take opposing positions to your writing the story. I think we should respect that. I don't necessarily say we should respect a critic, but we should respect their right to express an opinion, even if it's one that involves a lobotomy and a case of cheap liquor.
You don't want to indicate that a critic has no right to voice their opinion. But by the same token, the same freedoms they enjoy in criticizing your story apply to writing it. You don't have a right to threaten them for their reaction, but they cannot threaten you.
We do support all laws about slander, libel, overt threats and sedition, if only to keep the site out of entrenched legal complications.
But the key point in writing fiction is that it is a fictional account. Words on paper or letters on the screen. No real people are hurt. My personal feeling is that even writing fiction about celebrities is not hurting anyone. A court has upheld that obvious fiction does not do any measurable damage to one's reputation.
They may be offended, but I don't know of any legal basis for the idea that they have a right to not be offended. How the hell would that work, anyway?
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So. What do you think are the sorts of stories or conditions that would warrant a CONTRO warning/chapter?
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I never erase reviews. I'm the prototypical review whore. The more the merriest.
But then, i've been called the absolute worst things i can imagine, in real life, face to face, for the least reasons. People that i've had the opportunity to visit my revenge upon.
Namecalling from the safety of netspace is just amusing.
For some, it's a matter of correcting them. Someone claiming intellectual superiority really should spellcheck their claim that i have misspelled something. And calling me a dyke would be more hurtful if i were a lesbian. Or even a woman.
I think the ultimate flame review of a story of mine was being GAFFed. And it's hilarious. Oneof the Gawd Awful Fan Fiction reviewer's problems was that one of my characters is named 'Ham,' which makes him laugh (or...something. I got the GAFF second-hand). Now, that's part of the story. Noah's son was named Ham and i didn't change it. The GAFFer's problems with the canon are not my problems.
I wish i could add the GAFF list as part of the reviews of my story but i can't seem to get access to that board.
Another person has reviewed the same story and told me that there's a board that finds it so hilariously bad that they love it. Well, more power to them.
I guess i would advise any author to review all reviews for the spirit they were intended in.
A constructive criticism should be evaluated for useful content.
A childish pratt lobbing spitwads at the chalkboard should be pitied, not cause worry or self-doubt. I mean, if the guy making the comment is still looking up dirty words in the dictionary or giggling anytime he hears a word for a female body part, he's not the acme of literary criticism. Thank him for his contribution, say you remember your first beer, and go on with your life.
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Well, no, i'd fully support anyone's right to express themselves, even complain about the fact that there is sex or squicky sex on the internet. Soapbox yourself silly.People who stand up on thier soapboxs and complain about fiction not being moral need to seriously have thier soap box taken out from under then and thow it at them till they go away.Making threats, though, that might deserve some punitive countermeasures.
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Thanx.I agree, it's nicely done - giving the thoughts and reasoning in a rational and intelligent manner.
Nothin' wrong with that....My version would likely be"CHAPTER 2 HAS CHARACTERS GETTING BITS CUT OFF, AND RE-INSERTED ELSEWHERE.
DON'T LIKE, DON'T READ."
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Thanx.Actually, very nicely done.
Well, i didn't want to respond like so many of the ones on the Petition, with 'hey, tough nuts, they're my photons, i'll arrange them however i want!'wordy ain't it?or 'get off y' high horse and nae be s' full o' y'self!'
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Palin reminds me of Geraldine Ferraro.
She started off as a nobody. As people investigated her background, there started to be rumors of ties to organized crime through her husband. Her running mate, Mondale, was a cardboard cutout.
i really do think that the Democrats knew they had no chance pushing Reagan out of office and used the election to find out how many people would vote for a woman exactly and only because she was a woman. She didn't bring any skill set, contacts or many district votes to the platform, so they got tax dollars to run a national poll on who votes purely democrat ticket or who votes a purely woman ticket.
I'm not sure if the GOP have given up, and are running their own poll, or if they're desperately trying to corner a specific market. Hope to learn more as the election runs on.
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I tend to agree with Agaib. If we have sections based on fandoms and warnings based on content, that works for me.
A section based on content would make it harder for specific fans to find the charactters and 'ships they're interested in, while making an apparent 'big deal' about that specific content.
Now.
I really do think that a CONTRO warning is pandering to the Offended, who haven't a leg to stand on, but i've also found myself fascinated with the idea of a CONTROVERSY chapter in a story.
What do y'all think of this one: http://books.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600093423 ?
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On another forum, we were suggesting people to resurrect, just to see what they had to say.
One came up with George Carlin, just because it would mess with the man's head.
One problem, though, would be that George would have to come up with new material. I didn't think that would be all that big of a problem.
"There i am in the afterlife, walking around, meeting people. And i see Jesus. He's wearing sunglasses so the Baptists won't recognize him, but i grew up Catholic. I know the guy on sight. He was in every classroom i was ever in, you know?
"So, I ask Jesus, what the fuck is up with showing your face in toast? I mean, it's so whitebread. Why do you never see Jesus' face in the puke in the alley behind a gay bar? Or the stains in a freeway restroom in Jersey?
"And he says: Well, George, i thought about it. And see, i don't mind people referring to puke as 'worshipping the porcelain god,' but i sure don't want it being referred to as one's 'come to Jesus moment.'
No, he won't be lacking material.
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Huh. I generally don't write celeb fics because i don't feel confident that i can get 'into character' enough to anticipate what they'd do or say.(I guess thats the reason that I don't read celebrity fics...though you get a pretty good glimpse of what they can be like from interviews and stuff, it just doesn't sit well with me that you're writing about a real person.)Morally, my writing process for an original or a fanfic is largely me pretending to be one or two characters and writing it down. I don't have that much of an issue pretending to be a real person.
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I think you're saying that the threshold of disbelief is higher in one than the other, by virtue of the setting/character/source material?Does that make sense to anyone, or is it just me?That makes sense.
If i say that Bugs Bunny does something, you have an image of a cartoon in your head, not a man in a felt costume.
If i say that Aver Rage does something, you have an image of a real person in your head and respond differently. It's either more real, or more easy to imagine as being real. Yeah.
Also, in fanfic, there's an uphill battle against perceived characters. If i write that Gandalf's preoccupation with hobbits stems from a fetish for sex with tiny, tiny children, most fans would dismiss it. I'd get hate male for what i did to the character.
If Aver Rage sexes a child, there's no preconception to fight. People accept it as real more readily because they have no expectations of what Aver would or would not do. The hate mail would center on what the character did.
good point.
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Why?
No matter where you stand, there's going to be something that's still 'across the line.'
People that read and write celebrity slash fisting AIDS positive public-sex porn stories still get upset that there's Bible fanfiction around, or that NAMBLA has a smut newsletter.