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that could go bad REALLY fast. it’s be great black comedy. make sure toothless is at hand. Grimhilde could bemoan that his pet is smarter than him (not in front of him obviously, to the other sorceresses). For bonus points, he tries it the first time thinking she just held her breath a really long time, but explains to toothless what gills are and how he’s going to give himself gills. cut to him standing in front of Grimhilde again soaking wet and shivering, and she’s just sitting there staring at him. so is toothless.

Named after scylla. Did some research on that, the term is relativelt new, and the main people with octo-people legends are narive american oddly enough. The serpenteen could be Accidentally running a slave market by hubting pets. Hiccup and ariel could lead them all in an uprising, but he's surprised they just lock them up and glare. As they put it 'it was humiliating, but they didn't treat us that badly. You hear stories'. Ariel releases Celia to sit down and talk now that she's felt it make a friend (and maybe her own mistress) and hiccup leaves with full use if the underwater roads. Not to mention underwater militia contacts. The idea of the secret passage is that after arendale freezes the pass to keep the empire out, he needs a new way into everlight so ariel provides, by the way. Don't think that was clear.

Although gabriella the kraken-tamer would be awesomr

Altgought that one was based on a real life fan, so a bit awkward.

There were a few other mermaids of interest we could make cameos of, like saleen from aladdin (possibly as a traitor) and gabriella (maybe as a handmaiden or close friend of ariel's.

That is interesting.... and works well with an idea i had for ariel. What is instead of trying to go through the everlight jungle... AT FIRST, they go through later..... Ariel offers to show him a way through atlantica, and when the get there serpenteen are hunting mermaids for pets. For a twist, ariel could step up into the royal role by negotiating a treaty and return, winning hiccup not one but TWO undrrsea kingdoms. Yeah, disney was big on comics. Winnie the pooh was weird, he had sheldon cooper's abrasive personality.

Though her being a fearsome tale-no-prisoners cuthroat and asking for mercy could clash. It's doable, but tricky. What if she eacapes in the tower chaos and comes back for the agrabah chapter. It could be revealed she stole her identity too, and accidentally tries to brg about her title to the original. Thinking of stuff for tiana amd charlotre.

sorry. i meant ruby the theif a okay. i meant are they to be mistresses, or just allies? do they have a role after they first meet hiccup

maybe rose was INSPIRED by the legendary scourge of the desert

That works really well actually. I like sadira, that would be nice. I do remember discussing tiana with you. i suggested how he could get there, but i meant what will you do with tiana afterwards? when she meets hiccup again? I thought of a joke you could use, she mentions her grandma Doris’s gingerbread recipe. Doris was a villain in one of the game who made living gingerbread and kidnapped children. Tiana’s history with magic and cooking made me think it could be funny. I had an idea for a play on jasmine and rose, but idunno, iv’e suggested combining a lot of characters already. you ever see aladdin the series? there’s an episode where jasmine is brainwashed into being a theive’s right-hand woman here the wiki page: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Scourge_of_the_Desert

been meaning to ask you as well, do you have a plan for jasmine or tiana?

well, hiccup has been to a lot of places. is there any foodstuff he could introduce from the viking lands or abyss?

you know what would be great? hiccup agrees with him out of spite and suggests a better foodsource. not sure which at the moment...

A few things. First, it's apparently Rhabdophobia, which is also the fear of being beaten by rods. Also a valid overlord fear. What if in this one, florian has heard the rumours of the tower being used to drain a god and is planning on using it on hiccup and girls. He's been exxagerating the rumours, at first out of petty jealousy then devloping his plan once he gets information. The disney attacks could be to lure him out so he can sneak in, or to provide him with tower gates to try. He could also be jealous of Hiccup wooing one of the elf-territory girls. Also, i think this hiccup overlord would be smart enough to realise their's something wrong with the elf they keep running into and see through his over-the-top good guy parody, due to exposure to titania and snow. In fact he's frustrates no one else does (the disney people usually do) and snow gently teases him about how far he's come to see that. Actually IS florian the villain again? Or is there an actual emporor. Jotaan needs to be involved in the empire in some way. Maybe the devourer is some malformed mindless dragon and jotaan seizes controll over it. I thought of a tender and maybe a bit funny moment for maleficent and Aurora too: It idly occured to the dark fairy, that she had failed. That all her efforts for the past century had been thoroughly thwarted by chance and hormones. She hugged the blonde before her to her chest and smiled as the cupped her head in the crook of her neck. Aurora paused in the middle of describing the wedding she was preparing. "Mother? What brought this out of you?" "Just thinking about how much i care". Any good? Is the pun too obvious? Too subtle? I had this idea that Aurora could be shaken and a bit angry after waking up, so she calls maleficent by name, before calling her Godmother after forgiving her and eventually just 'mother' Also, do you have an idea who Ursula's disguise could be? I had this idea she could send land-ariel after hiccup a couple of times (probably in her own disguise) to sneak in extra attempts, with the idea being she'll trick the girl and swirch places so she can seduce him back at the tower. She takes her voice so she won't spoil the ruse, under the pretense it's apart of the spell and she'll get it back when she either gets a kiss or becomes a mermaid again. However, Ariel is too shy and too honest, so she keeps putting his needs first and doing things that cost her her chance insread of taking advantage of him, like standing guard all night at an inn because his party are all tired. Remember me suggesting Alice as a courier, well what if it was ariel? She could communicate messages via a book and writing, and also excitedly show of sketches of cool land things she sees. He grows to like strange, adorable mute girl. Ariel wonders why she keeps catching that girl with him (toothless, the harem horder) giving her approving looks (she likes what she sees and approves of her dutiful loyalty). Eventually, ursula disguises them as a mother-daughter pair and tries to seduce him like that. Since she tries it without ariel and throws her out when it doesn't work, ariel feels betrayed and heads home to think. She blames ursula, not hiccup though, and finding him is a happy coincidence when i trouble. She doesn't even realise she spoke to him until he points it out, and doesn't understand the approving nuzzles dragon keepa giving her in front of hiccup. Alternativelty, ursula could point out at the meeting with valka that she's the only one who hasn't had a turn, which turns into the orgy. We could also have a callback where hiccup is surprised that mermaids look like that but keeps his mouth shut this time (ursula told him that to spite ariel) Also, if he does marry Aurora, Ariel, Zarina and Snow (and maybe Mirage), could their respective sorceresses be their 'first mistress?' As in Aurora gets maleficent to play with and show gratitude, Ariel gets to lord over Ursula and put her in her place, etc. It could work for most, but I'm not sure about Snow. I think mirage would love the Chance to do it to La, or La-in-janes body It would give opportunities for threesomes on the wedding night

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Ooh! Opportunity! Remeber how i tried to tie jane into it as the explorer who got.posessed by la and was helping the lion tribespeople? Well she could teach them english, having become the tribe teacher. I also thought that the thing which lets Zarina change back to her old self could be a magic suppresser potion. She made it for either mim or maleficent to get back at them, but realised the potential and uses it to go small for ambushes. Mirage could also have the abilitu to change back into a cat, but she claims it's exhaustion and uses it to A) get out of work and B) have hiccup carry her. Though to stop her being a game-breaker she should really have some power trouble. Also, i wanted to ask you, does the magic cataclysm still happen to set up the wmpire and do all the mistresses survive? If so, how.

Before that she'd sit on his head or ride his shoulder a lot.

That was my idea completely. Along with mim fishing for details. Though the others trying to shut her up would make sense. That could be when mim steps in. This could be the thing that makes her take an interest in Zarina. I figures thay was the case, which is why i suggested that transformation link. I see her becoming a something of a pirate amazon after her transformation.

Thougj seriously, what did you thibk of the fairy design?

Well i meant he would marry her along with the other second wife candidates, who are also longtime friends (aurora, snow, Zarina ariel) and i assumed she would do that after getting back her form. I was thibking of Zarina being all gung-ho about adventure and acting as hiccup's other spy, using small size and wings for stealth and snatching. She still tries to be a swordfighter though. She complains about the minions charging much bigger apponents and getting killed, and hiccup points out she nearly does the same. She points out in return she can actually handle herself. Also had this odd idea that she starts flat-chested, like the elf girl in a shirt in the picture, before developing breasts like the proportion diagram, which irks her as it's harder to fight in, so she reluctantly goes full blacksmith. Until she gets her human-size change. Then it turns out she can shrink back to her original form, which means hiccup has his spy back as well as a pirate warrior. I also had an idea of velvet getting upset her sister has a 'cushy tower job' and trading with her, so rose is mayor of two cities and enjoying it (being really good at it Nd working to tie them together for mutual bwnefit) and lazy velvet's stuck cleaning a tower that gets bigger with every girlfriend.

Also i can imagine her ranting about her lazy slob of a sister leaving things all over in a WIZARDS WORKSHOP and the chaos that caused from mutant spells. I can also think of a few eager listeners.

Well i did read that they were originally for managment but this? This is brilliant. Seriously, since she isn't the main love interest i waz wondering what you would do with rose, but this is probably one of the best things possible. I was going to suggest a cinderella connection, but this works so mich better. Maybe, being the wizard's daughter she also helps idunna and the sorceresses. The don't want to admit it, but they're impressed. Great, now i'm seing her as sophie from howl's moving castle and batting minions in line with a broom. What was your thought on the mirage thing? And had a character idea for Zarina

Oh yeah, that reninds me, would mirage be second wife material? It be funny if she was the one who won the conpetition alongside the suitors when she wasn't even entered, and she'd be well established by then. Okay, so hear me out on this, but what if they were illusions? As in, remember how i spoke of disguises for the mothers to wear when they have their first time? Well, what if titania and tauriel were two of the disguises. The sorcsresses take advantage.of the 'mistress' thing to sneak in an attempt at wooing hiccup but it doesn't go as well as they thought (i.e he doesn't marry her). Plus, coincidentally the two and their kingdoms work well with aurora and snow. The elf forest works well with aurora, and she is a sweet thing who tries to help and tbe dwarf lands is a natural fit for snow. So what if titania was maleficent in disguise to make her grab (and mim stole the character the first time while she was distracted fretting over her recovered daughter) which she also uses to spend time with and be a mother for aurora. Maleficent modelled her idea of a wise, good ruler off of her belvoed goddaughter and gives hiccup 'goodguy' advice to keep up the charade based on what aurora would say or she would wish for aurora. And also because it's actually oddly liberating to be the gooduy in someone's eyes and she missed that. The sorceresses butting heads is equal parts diagust at what she's saying and mocking her for this plan, but hiccup only realises the first. Tauri is grimhilde, she doesn't care about the dwarflands but would love to spite them by framing them for this and being left in charge. She portrays herself as the stern, wise leader because that's whar she thibks she is. She based the character off of her lectures on the perfect woman and what she learned from hiccup's responses. She's furious it doesn't work and blames the dwarves. Snow shows up and expresses a fondness for the place but is unrelated to grinhilde's ruse, though she does help them rebuild like 'tauri' is supposed to be doing. As for how they got out of the tower, they disguised iduna, sent her out to be 'rescued' by hiccup and switched in for a night with the boy. What do you think?

Hmmm. That feels a bit too neat. While it explains some thing, it also robs us of character tension and the things we can do with that awkwardness. What if, rather than directly since it would give the game away and they like control, they instead subtly tried to sexualise themselves to him and plant the idea in his head (to frustrating lack of success) like ursula asking to help or for help bathing, mim spending days at a time naked (that wasn't part od the plan though, she just felt like it) or grimhilde lecturing him what to look for in a potential queen. She's discribing herself. Maleficent is more power-behind the throne ish in her attempt, and asks that he turn his wife over to her for 'instruction' on how to best please him and her duties (she's trying to plant that image in his head). Also, two more thoughts on it. First, what if they only intend for one of them to be queen, and didn't see the mistresses coming? They could initially be competing to get him to make them queen of the overlords kingdom and the bets are for 'attempts' to make it happen. it just goes wildly out of control. Hiccup on the rebound from toothless ends up collecting a few mistresses, and when he marries her toothless is the one to encourage hording mistresses, which sets up astrid and when they realise the potential (and with their ruse exposed after the orgy) they attempt to train the 2nd queen to snag what power they can (except maybe maleficent who genuinly wants a good man and life for her daughter. She's happy with how it turns out). Which leads me to my second idea, which ties into this one. But i need to ask a question first, what are your plans for titania and tauri as characters? Also what did you think of the fairy design? This is unrelated

That is a pickle, but it could work. Maleficent told him she wasn't like ither fairiea and didn't lile talking about it. So ursula 'helpfully' told her what they were like. He remembers afterwards and ursula explains. He immediatly has to atop himself asking the fairy about horns. Okay so heres a fairy: warning. Naked: https://static1.e621.net/data/sample/6b/03/6b035406506527a9aada93d353dc37bd.jpg And some more examples:an elflike girl in a shirt https://funnyjunk.com/channel/vidyagaems/Shirt/wNlqLjA/ Here's a proportion chart: https://e621.net/post/show/935950/big_breasts-big_butt-breasts-butt-clothing-female- And the transformation sequence. Very nsfw and explicit. Just reminding you https://img.rule34.xxx//images/1981/105e0e8fc4996f016ce1eff66e7b7bff.png An idea for zarina. She's a platonic friend for hiccup at first, interacting with him as an equal and sharing the joy of experiments. She's been known to hijack the scrying spell and request ingredients in the area, and also to ask to come along in person. Discovery excites her, so after he first successfull mission, she grabs hiccup and kisses him on the lips. Hiccup gets dipped by a girl a less than quarter of his size. She's reluctant to take it further than friends though, because of the size issue, but mim sees and takes an interest. She persuades her to try and the tower power changes her like the transformation above. Mim probably reverse-engineers the transformation maleficent went throught too. I imagine the little pirate has a good set of abs too, and would love blacksmithing with her new body.