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also, i had an idea for valka

The gods would be meg’s mistresses of course. while i’m on the subject, what did you think of witch-daughter aurora?

i take it you saw the film and i love the wings idea. Toothless could show up as a dragon and give him a ride shortly afterwards when she hears. it’s be a nice bonding/young love moment and think of it this way, she can be the tower librarian and his magic tutor/maleficent’s handmaiden and be an actual doting mother figure. A bit of a nameless background figure and prop until she becomes important. Her awakening memories could be what brings them to the first kingdom to discover the empire. or sets them out towards it, where they run into ariel along the way. The tower awakening her powers could be what gives her back her memories. Anna with fire is good, but you could also make her ‘spring’ as opposes to elsa’s winter. fire works though. it would also make for some nice family bonding as elsa teaches them to control it and Iduna shares what she’s learned all these years.

I figure that was the case,. to clarify, the mistresses would be hiccup’s other mistresses (and maybe some girls of note), but delegated into a hierarchy of sorts. They wouldn’t have male lovers i think, because they want that man to be hiccup. it allows more interaction, and proveds context tp better remember them all by. eg. it’s impossible to remember every superhero, but if you think, which ones are superman characters, baman characters etc it’s easier. discworld does something similar with it’s sub-serieses i was just using assistant to show their place in the harem, i.e elsa was in charge of the arendale branch, but she would be under…. not sure. given that hiccup isn’t deliberatly taking lovers from what you said, the sorceresses and lovers would be organising this. i confess, i’ve been thinking of astrid, toothless, and the sorceresses as his ‘queens’, and assuming that they would be encouraging and organising this. also works, i just saw an opportunity to go different character routes. For further funnies, Hiccup could have trouble until grimhilde acts indignant angry and scowls, since maleficent’s better composed….. so he makes annoying or agravating remarks to check “so i’m becoming a paladin” *SQUAWK* “just checking” … mirage would be LOVING this. probably threaten to eat them I have to ask, what did you think of my queen Idun idea?

Actually astrid would probably get the warriors.

hmmm. grimhilde has a raven, but maleficent has that already….. what if grimhilde sides with the overlord out of frustration that hiccup isn’t quite her idea of an overlord, but sides with hiccup again because he doesn’t like being on the receiving end of the overlord tradition and becaseu turns her into an old crone to keep her in line. Of all the queens, grimhilde seems like the one who sticks closest to the line on overlord values and the most likely to side with the old one. The other three could be furious with her (well maleficent and ursula, no one knows what mim’s thinking) but agree to be merciful since she’s one of hiccup’s mothers and he probably loves her and he’s trying to be better…. so she gets turned into a raven by her friends until they feel they can trust her again instead of kiled. That way, she sticks to the animal theme and her disney canon, but there’s no confusion, plus it helps her stick out. and it’s a nice tribute to her ‘crone’ transformation. Ursula should be something aquatic, either an octopus or an eel in a bucket. or a rockfish (her original concept art was a rockfish-mermaid so that’s a nice in-joke) hmmm. you can do that, but attractiva as demona is, I just thought it ould be fun to have a woman who doesn;t join the harem , to keep them guessing. The idea is that Eliza becomes new succubus queen after she’s defeated and SHE joins the overlord.. more character variety that way. plus you could write a nice dynamic with the two hating each other, and demona taking the time to personally try to kill the ‘pretender’ each time she reappears and joins the arc villain. you could end her last appearance with her turned to human and given to Eliza to do with as she wishes. I think it’s be a nice sub-plot for one of the girls. My idea is that Eliza was an up-and coming paladin who was chosen as the ‘sacrifice’ to summon the succubi and consequently turned into one by the queen, Demona. Hiccup frees her, and she immediately starts attacking the succubi, including the queen. when hiccup kills sir William and banishes demona, Eliza is heartbroken that she doesn’t change back, so hiccup offers to take her with him and find a cure. Demona later shows up with the old overlord, where she tries to kill Eliza, and with hades, who has turned Eliza into a statue by draining all her mana, though his defeat restores her. Optionally, Demona later shows up fighting with with the empire, but wither way during her last appearance she’s turned human and turned over to Eliza as her personal slave. which is another thing, I wanted to ask you about. should some of the girls get mini-harems? i know you said there were assistants, but this would be a good way to streamline things and help the reader keep track. Astrid could have free pick of the vikings (ruffnut, girl toughnut, heather etc), Maleficent could have the elves and witches (aurora, elsa, rapunzel, possibly queen idun), mim could have the fairies (since she’s based on mythical queen mab), toothless could have dragons and maybe other monster girls, that sort of things. not sure about ursula and gimhilde. Eliza (if we go with my captain of the guard idea) could have the warriors. they all are hiccup’s harem, but his extra close girls are given higher rank as it were.

Plus mana potions seem more like a 'carry mana with you' solution. If it were tbat easy to just MAKE mana, the succubi wouldn't have a problem. I think i can make it all work though. Continuing the queen idun at the tower idea, (i'm suggesting this because setting storylines up in advance is a hood idea and it lets us give the queen a character when she doesn't have much of one) she could develop the potion while trying to cure eliza, and makes it buy drawing mana from the tower, which is more 'alive' than most mana and replicates itself to a degree. It's enough to sate Eliza's hunger for a while and cure anyone she turns into a succubi (she turns them to help defend thr castle), but since she was cursed by the queen, it's not enough to cure her. Eliza is much, MUCH stronger than ordinary soldiers but needs mana potions to not go crazy, so she csn only be called into combat for limited time before she has to retreat. I wouldn't make the potions an instamt solution though, as otherwise hiccup wouuld have a steadybstream of unlimited man potions at his command to use, which is boring, or would have to constanrlty feed magic to eliza and the succubi. I would say that Eliza probaboy can have a succubi guard to.command and defend the castle, but to change EVERY girl into a succubi takes away from what makes them individually interesting, and the characters need to br inyeresting yo carry the story. Plus, how would elsa, rapunzel, the elves or other magiv girls work as mana-starved succubi?

What did you think of the Eliza/demona thing? Though you probably aren't that big a gargoyles fan. I just think the succubus queen would make a hood antagonist, but someone a sucvubus against their will ans trying to stop makes sense to join up

Eliza becomes head of tower security. Aka captain of the guard

Hmmm.... How about Eliza is a woman from the town converted by the succubi, a female paladin (aka a police officer) lookinh for an out, while demona is evil and loving it and the hades/old overlord spy. She aids the old overlord out of revenge, and eliza helps fight back the succubi ajd is rewarded by acess to thr mana well of the tower, so she doesn't haven to kill anyone. Hmmmm...... i can see the appeal, buy like i said, variety helps. An all-sucubus harem ruins some of the uniquness, and is a terrible idea for a sorcerer anyway. He can support one easily, but all his girls as succubus would either drain the whole tower or glshow him having so much magic it kills and tension. So maybe only demona can PERMANANTLY change people, but eliza can temporarily change them. If we do the queen idun amnesiac at the tower angle, she could be said to be trying to cure her as foreshadowing for helping her daughters.

Plus it would add variety

Sorry. I just figured it be fun to have a romantic false lead. And it migjt be interesting for a girl to be syraight up villain. Though it doesn't have to be. The sucubus could be a running gag of a bad influence. Hmmmm. Hey, what if the forgotten actually went mad and is just a titan for hades to control now? OR, the tians are his old pantheon, and hades plan is to unleash them on the world above. Remember what i said about the gods rotating? Well presumably that would include the elf goddes, so maybe sealing him away would prevent him reincarnating. Hades plan could be to kill off every other pantheon so only he's left.

I like the mana zombie idea, plus the succubus plan. Hmmm..... okay this might seem a bit weird, but what if demona is the one he turns down? That's the part of the story, but he takes both the girls. The one you don't choose is supposed to let the overlord in, and demona is FAMOUS for her treachery..... i mean she backstabs william the first chance she gets, so ifnshe had access to an even STRONGER overlord. as a bonus, we could make her a spy for hades as well, reporting to him when the overlord falls. Plus, by turning a girl down it makes the girls who do impress him a bit better. She could still sleep with him, just as part of a plan, not because she's joining him. I mean why would he trust her? And, well. Weren't we gonna make meg the new hades? Which would make her the ruler or the abyss and therefore the mistress? Plus, she seems the type to just drain all of him. Maybe hiccup turns her down, but does let her into the tower. She betrays him for the old overlord and flees to hades when he fails. She's almost a mistress in the 'sub-ruler' sense and does seduce him but throws it all away to bet on the other guy. She winds up drain of mana as a gargoyle after hades plan backfires, as a nod to her source material. Feel free to disagree

Just trying to mix it up. Variety makes a good story

Eh, not a lot to work with and they didn't show up. Maybe mention they died on the boat but i don't see a pot ifnuse for them. Punch-anna is brillant, and hiccup should fear her mighty fist! Though she should be upset with him he would probably explain himself okay. Did you know there's a fan theory she has super-strength? At least a mild version. When i said frozen happens, i meant with the empire getting involved. Elsa's meltdown would be a great bonding experience, and a way to keep out the mother until needed, plus it would prevent a full-scale invasion but also allow a smaller force and subterfuge which hiccup could reroute. It would also slow them down and allow hiccup more time to reach new lands. Plus it would force some character growth. If may suggest, Arendale is under inspection by the empire, but not attack yet. hiccup arroves just in time for the corrination/a peace talk (since arendale isn't all that big or guarded, it looks like a trade or naval kingdom) and comments how different it is. He doesn't bring in the minions becayse without empire to fight he'd just cause a panic and give them public support. While there, the nobles are talking about the empire's movement and their runoured interest in arendale, but don't beleive in the supposed witch queen. Hiccup sees a nervous lady of around his age and tries to tslk to her, only realising she's queen elsa later when someone calls her that, though he notes she was enjoying the conversation and pretends not to hear the queen thing. The party is very tense, discussing the threat of magic and the danger it's users posess. Eventually, peace breaks down, and the empire reveals they have a massive force prepared to march on arendale. Elsa stands firm and throws them out, despite empire sympathisers lime weslton protesting. While preparing to defend, and worrying wether she did the right thing and wether she truly is a danger to her people, elsa reveals her magic to hiccup (probably because he shows her his to reassure her) and he accidentally, you know. She can't take him accidentally agreeing with them and flees, and the empire soldiers (who stuck around to launcch sneak attacks) mostly follow. She loses the soldiers in the woods, and from her pov we that she figures 'that they want magic, fine. She'll draw them away from the arendale', not expecting the blizzard, or han's attempt to sell them the kingdom. Hiccup wants to attack the soldiers, but since there's no actual war yet and so many innocents at risk he holds out and goes with anna when she heads off to find elsa. Empire soldiers try to bring her in outside the gates, but he takes them out and she flees. Hiccup leaves mirage to watch the city and bribgs toothless (which anna LOVES, especially since he catches up aftet she falls in the river). Mirage takes out a few enemies and sabotages wesltons attempts to gain favour with the empire. Basically, frozen WITH the empire about to attack, but being held back by anna's blizzard. It seems like a better way to bond with the sisters, and hiccup can declare his kingdom's alleigance and drive them off afterwards.

Oh i underatand, and it's a good inner conflict, i was just saying it could be a sign of growth that he realises what he did. You could up the tragedy and personal growth by havingbhim make thr mistake a few times early in his career. That way, when he makes the mistake with elsa, it makes sense, it's continuity and he looks better as a person since we know it's a habit and he seems to be trying ti grow out of it. I'd have him promise not to say anything like that to her again after he apologises. And i'd probably avoid having elsa use her magic offensivly even when she joins, only defensivly. Do you like my sorceress mothering style ideas?

I like both ideas. Seriously, your maleficent is what i was going for but even better. But the fairy kingdom was huge in maleficent, so what is pixie hollow was just the capitol? Also the elves moved into the kingdom after they won, but it was common knowledge what the girl was to maleficent so no one wanted to move her out of fear of attracting her wrath should she return. Also i think it should be the confusion as to who is right, as while they could get hiccup to understand cursing an enemy cursing an enemyninnocent baby would be a bit much, and i see maleficent, the one who'd stress atracking the deserving and enemies over attacking the innocent, as the most likely to get involved with direct mothering. Ursula's an opportunisy, grimhildes a disciplinarian and authorive figure, and mim's a wildcard fun but dangerous figure. Maleficent is the most civil, and dangerous but willing to attend a cristening until shes rebuked. I see her as someone who sees evil as a tool, not a vice to be indulged. And easily angered by incompetence. That argument with the fairies is brilliant though, and i think it should shake her enough to tell her daughter to go with them to learn to be better than her, though she threatens the fairies for her safety. For Frozen, i like the idea, but i feel hiccup should realise his mistake decently quick, just not quick enough. He has to have grown enough that the girls like him. Also he's been exposed to a lot of non-evil at this point. Including several allies. It's fine for him to fall back on old habits, or have his own way of looking at things, in fact it's good writing. Particularly if he was geeking out at the magic, speaking personallynit can make you say some dumb things. Just warning you not to keep him in that state from story start to finish. He should be aware enough to realise what went wring and apologise after he comes down from his awe at the magic.

Part of the reason they both end up with ben is that star and marcia are so affectionate people assume they're dating. (Star is ver huggy and a personal space invader, marcia is a worrier and very attebtive). Since they find this out when they're having a bit of an argument over both liking ben and feeling guilty, they realise that not only would it give them their best friend back and end the fighting, they don't mind thr dea at all, and since they both like ben as well. They probably start the trend.

Now before i begin, let me tell you a bit about maleficent the movie. Basically, while watching and waiting for her curse to take effect, maleficent winds up doing most of the raising (to make sure the fairies don't accidentally off her early) and seeing her as a daughter (aurora thinks shes her fairy godmother). She can't call off the curse though, and turns out the prince who met her maybe once does not have enough true love to break it, but it also turns out a mother's love is enough to break it. So in this scenario, maleficent was SO close to redeeming herself but the king caught her before she could save her goddaughter, and gave her to the black baron. Aurora has been sleeping but not aging ever since, but the reat of the kingdom has crumbled away and the elf forest grew in it's place. Maleficent has been understandably bitter about it. First idea, what is aurora was oberon? As in the elf fallen hero is already dead bybthe time the game starts, he died fighting his way to aurora to stop the corruption, or managed to find her, beat back the forest and has been reading to her and singing to ease her nightmares, and fighta off hiccup, thinking he's here to kill her. He apologises after he realises that he isn't going to kill her, and hiccup regrets killing him, which is a weird feeling for him. The idea is, her dreams and poison ivy thing are responsible for the cursed forest, and the taint ment for oberon worked it's way into her instead. He made up for his mistake, letting the tree get her, by spending the rest of his life keeping her nightmares down. but hiccup wakes her up instead of killing her. Or more accurately, hiccup fails to wake her up, and maleficent demands he bring her to him and kisses her daughter goodbye. This wakes her, which leads to maleficent taking her in as daughter and student, leading to my 'witch aurora' idea where she goes off to find her own and becomes the dunbroach witch (and also rules the fairies), but keeps in contact with her mother via crystal ball. My idea for the queen in frozen is thar Idun WAS on the ship and DID survive, but she washed up on a foreign shore and has been living there lost and amnesiac ever since. Probably viking territory or the kingdom before arendale, since thay lets you lead from one thread to the next (It's a good way to keep audience attention). She doesn't have much of a character, so this gives us a chance to build her up and make her interesting. Possibly she became a warrior, or studied magic because she knew she had to protect something. so that when she recovers her memory, she more or less belongs with her new family and the overlord. Maybe she's a bookkeeper at the tower, who was saved by ariel and brought to ursula to save. She doesn't get her memory back for a while, but gives hiccup advice every now and then. Hiccup goes in to tell them their mother's still alive, frozen happens and the sisters get crushes on him. When he goes to leave, he mother asks him to marry her, like you suggested or just says she belongs with him and that she's proud of the queen the sisters have becone. Alternatively, queen idun is going back to the tower to learn more abou magic so that she can help her girls. In this version, the sisters don't think he's forcing hinself in her. Instead, they don't want to lose their mother again (and the man they've come to love, but mostly her), so they marry him too to keep him around (they both volunteered to step aside for each other, since they could see the other was in love, but were pressed for time and both married him to speed it along) He has to leave, but promises he'll be back and sets up the tower gate to show them they won't be alone anymore In this version, hiccup is the kristoph, but at the party he approaches elsa to tell her and winds up making a good impression, liking her and enjoying hinself so much he forgets to tell her the news. He wins her over more by protecting anna when things go wrong and wins anna over with his stories and helping look for her sister, plus fighting besides her. Hans is still hans, and when he breaks anna's heart hiccup saves her and keeps her awake by telling her stories as they go after elsa. When he offers to help with her magic problem he's won them over, and when he fibally delivers the news about their mother their his for life.

Family dinner. Gonna be a bit sorry. Buy i have a good idea for each

Bit tied up but have an ide

this may seem a weird example, but i was watching cheaper by the dozen 2, and it shows how you can pull off an absplutely massive cast, by having simeltaneous interacting narratives and using parralels and contrast to provide definition to indivuduals via context. My idea is to have ben and star's story running parralel to each other and showing different sides to the same characters. The better you define and the more unique the characters, the larger a cast you can have. Plus, you shouldn't waste characters. It also helps you show off the crossover from both a ben 10 and svtfoe perspective, and having unique relations between the characters. It's a more interesting harem that way

It also helps the girls feel like characters, rather than collectable props, which helps the story go longer. I'vs seen a lot of harem stories fall victim to that

Oh i figured. I actually came into this thtead mid discission about aurora, you may remember. i just think the forest witch angle lets you do more with her without addibg another kingdom PLUS it lets you play with the caracter traits she has and let her go from prop to mysterious helper. This is partially based on her first envpunter with the prince in maleficent. Think of her as maleficent's supporting character, they help define each other. As for ariel, I'm not saying bring her in before that, i figured that's where she'd be, i was thinkig of a relationship backstory to keep the relationships interesting. Plus it's a play on her canon personality. And by hinting at it sooner you can have introducing her, it will feel like buildup and payoff. The idea is ariels's meeting at the reef is told from her perspective and includes a backtstory timelapse similar to hiccup's opening, explaining the hintz at her presence and why she's approaching him (he would look a little scary). Plus it's a unique character introduction, which keeps the audience interested and ivolved. Also, it helps flesh out ursula as a manipulativr deal-maker taking advantage of people. You just drop hints at her every now amd then until she shows up. Not to mention it's a bit more character for the sorceresses.

You could have aurora as a similar 'suitor' trained by maleficent, but for difderent reasons and with different methods. Maybe she's been sending images to pretend to be her fairy godmother, to train her as a succesor and filling her head with an image of her prince that looks exactlt like hiccup. Given that she lives secluded in the woods, she.could actually meet hiccup before her time and help him on his first quest, giving him shelter and directions, only to refrain from making a move because he's injured and she's not finished her study yet (the deal was she finishes, maleficent would help her. She doesn't want to.cheat her godmother), so she patches him up and sends him along, only to be sent with him to reclaim her kingdom during the empire adventure later. She could also be the witch who helps merida defend dunbroach