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    How do you go about developing a story idea?

    Yeah, most writers are pantsers or outliners at base. If you have trouble with outlines you are probably a pantser. It is a continuum so there’s no hard edge. I think I have the most problem if I try to plan character behavior or feeling stuff ahead of time. I’ve done detailed grids and flow charts for action sections or to keep track of cast locations when multiplots are at a climax. Background and culture I don’t plan enough, but I do record bits in a separate file/location for later reference. My notes file makes for interesting reading in its own right. My notes mentioned someone wanting to shave someone’s beard as payback in chapter two, it finally happened in chapter 28. That wasn’t planning from before I started writing, but more like weaving in loose threads and plot hooks I left behind me. Often my Maguffins like the beard threat aren’t planned consciously, but my muse makes very good use while my ego is pleasantly surprised. One character got threatened in what I thought was a throwaway chapter ending, but is making an interesting subplot now… It’s not always ME doing the planning, but my muse. Recording the mass means I can weave the story back into itself and look much cleverer by not being totally episodic that ignores earlier changes. Continuity errors make ya look bad.
  2. Anesor

    How do you go about developing a story idea?

    Very much a pantser. I do have a general idea of the ending I’m aiming for, but if I start analyzing the desires and antagonists and obstacles too much it stifles instead of making sparkles. Only in the last week did a revisit of old character friends made the story really flow. I work so much better as a pantser, but that leads to bigger issues for longer pieces. Short ones are usually light on those qualities like theme, development, and world building so I think I’m okay. I’m trying to figure out why my fanfic has gotten so much less spontaneous… and why my originals I’ve made so hard. I suspect it’s because the results of two novel length pantsing ended up messes and wasted of all the time spent on them. I desperately need an editor, but budget-wise that won’t happen anytime soon unless I win a lotto. So I muddle through as best I can with the occasional opinions. I love a good review that points out things… at least once I calm down. :p I get ideas from anything, and keeping them long enough to get them recorded is an issue. I break ideas into fandom/series and a bucket for original ideas. When I finish a story i may take a day or two to relax, and then check my idea files. That is best case, sometimes a plot bunny will not let go, hence a Neverwinter sequel has displaced my NaNo projects for the moment. Usually I have at least two active stories and one or two a semi active. (right now, active original, three active Star Wars, and a Neverwinter… NaNo has kicked my muse into high gear but not the direction I planned on) On a good week I post for two stories, on a bad one, nothing. (that is one thing about NaNo that leaves me antsy, I may not post anything that month) Once I have the basic idea down I usually have the starting point and a major plot arc. That can usually be sumarized in a single sentence or so, no matter the final intended length. Names, quirks, background, etc I make up as I need it. I use highlighting to mark areas to fill in and clean up later, staying a bit generic. ‘Search and replace’ is my friend. character studies killed my muse dead in 2010. There are random generators too for lots of details. I concentrate on the story flow and love cliffhangers, and hiding the answer in plain sight where I hope it was overlooked. Pushing and concealing answers in the story, means I prefer 1st person for the same reason its favored by mystery writers: a fair mystery! I don’t want characters to look incompetent in any genre by making the events too obvious. I also don’t want the readers to get frustrated because the reader didn’t know some obscure fact like one car doesn’t come in stick shift that year, so the clues should be given to the character and reader. That is a tricky balance and sometimes I lean toward underexplaining. One of my bigger problems is that I have too much going on in the last chapter so it ends up huge. But finishing a story is important so every one is a victory. The next big problem is editing and selling, but that’s more a publishing challenge than a writing one as I see the 1st draft as foundation and blueprint. All the revision in the world can’t help if it wasn’t written down.
  3. Just posted an excerpt from my original that hit the rocks. This short character intro is totally a result of the class I’m taking, as my villain is way more 3D than the terrible attempt years ago…

    https://nanowrimo.org/participants/bucolic-scribe/novels/enlightenment-machine

    This is a draft, and I’d like to revise, but I still keep the blank slate. filling in as journal at worst.  My revisions add 50-100% for length too.

  4. The NaNo enthusiasm is there but writing is just NOT flowing this year.

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    2. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      Assault in mine, trying to be quite careful with how I label the aggressor.  (It matters)

    3. Anesor

      Anesor

      my original novel project has been officially dumped for NaNo. It’s too slow and the new method is too mindful for a nano sprint. I’m going to have to pick and choose from my class. Scene planning like the class, makes me feel like a straight jacket.

      I’m gonna see if I can finish my main fanfic project. I probably won’t as I have 6 chapters to go and the wordage will be more than can be done  in 19 days.

      But tonight I could not resist a diversiin and did a NWN2 sequel scene that links into an oddity the Tuesday MMO release. It’s not much of a plot but  something my plot director has nabbed as a clue for a new release...

    4. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      I’ve simply used my nano goal as that, a goal, to help motivate when I’m otherwise thinking about procrastinating.  I’m not wanting to stray in terms of quality.  So, yes, my goal of hitting 200k posted (just over 70k) is ambitious, and I figure the odds are 50-50; I’ll still be further along.  Right now, about 60k left to go, though I’ve got 8k on the drive, ready for the next posting.  I chose a number above 50k because it’s a comprehensive rewrite, and so it’s a really good “rough draft/outline” exists, some material will be brought over.  However, there is a boatload of new material, I’m more than doubling the word count as I revise/rewrite (ie. turning one/two sentence scenes into entire chapters).

  5. It is a really bad sign when your NaNo crashes and burns on day1. I was using a new (to me) technique that has been stifling my muse.

    A total rewrite is just depressing even if it’s only one day.

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    2. JayDee

      JayDee

      Good luck at recovering and re-writing that mofo!

    3. BronxWench

      BronxWench

      And keep in mind, this is not a polished draft. This is a rough, dirty, sloppy, total seat-of-the-pants draft, so maybe keep what you did and worry about fixing it later. Move ahead, not backward. :D

       

    4. Anesor

      Anesor

      yeah, but it was so broken it was breaking the story. I wrote enough on friday to make up half the amoutn I was behind. I’ve started NaNo as late as the 7th and finished on time, but i could type faster then. Thanks

  6. So sleepy, but waiting for agency call back on vile slander...

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    2. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      I hope you find a way to clear this up.  Trouble with some social workers in that they can get a bur up their arse, or go on a power trip, etc….

      btw, I prefer my eggs scrambled, with plenty of fried bacon pieces in them :)

    3. Anesor

      Anesor

      This wasn’t a social worker but an aide, basically unskilled. as any nursing certs could get another job and she clearly doesn’t have a calling. The other agency (supervisor and aide) vouched against the slander as did the other aide from the same agency. So there was only the slanderer and the agency that believed someone who decided she did want to be blamed for no call no show 3 days. (we’re leaving the agency after sunday night’s shift if I can find out what I should do) That was after the 1st version they told their agency that they could not work over the weekend because they lost their phone and car not working- ALL WEEKEND, and none of their 4 teen+ kids had a phone or car to help.  This fast passed to the county overview, where it would follow my family and home forever. It seems to have worked out, but it was a miserable 48 hours where I could not sleep, eat right, write or work on my writing class… The social worker didn’t  act on the slander, did the footwork to expose the lie, she’s a peach.

      I like mine hard boiled with a little salt. And in many splendid things like greek egg-lemon soup and french toast.

      Thanks! :D

    4. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      That the aide wanted to get out of her work by blaming the customer….geez.  I mean, I could understand car difficulties, illness, etc, if it were the first thing off their lips.

      I’d think some letters of appreciation/thanks to the people who helped you out here would likely do wonders :)    And cc’ing enough people so they’re in their personnel files for their next performance eval/raise would definitely set you apart!  Just an idea….

  7. It’s just over two weeks until this year’s NaNo (National Novel Writing Month) The goal is to finish the first draft of a story, without any prewritten prose, starting Nov 1st and finishing Nov 30th. There are a bunch of coupon and promos for participants and winner, but the prezzies vary year to year. Createspace used to offer physical printings if you published through them, but they were completely absorbed by Kindle this year. The idea is that a little friendly competition helps a lot pf new writers to finish a story. outlines, character studies, prep is fine. Just no story. Register before Halloween because the servers are usually hit hard on the start and end days. They added a fanfic category for stories last year. I started writing during 2007 NaNo and hit the total eight times. (you submit a file, that you can scrqmbleif you think sojmeone would steak it) A lot of my big fics started during NaNo. It’s fun to see your progress graph inch up every day and see how your friends or town are doing. They also sponsor a couple Camp NaNo sessions earlier in the year, but those can be writing, revising or some other task. I’m restarting my prison ship story after several years in a trunk. I could not figure out why it just withered away when I tried to figure out how to revise it. To keep me insanely busy I’m taking a ‘how to write a novel’ class, and hoping it will provide enough insight to strengthen the story. It’s a 32 lesson self-paced package, but this is the beta and it’s not finished. So I will have to use the later lessons more for future novels… I’m goign to try to fit a chapter of my current big fic in November too. I also hear there is some holiday that month and I’m wondering if a frozen dinner will help. If you want to writing buddy, I’m bucolic-scribe on that site. I use this challenge like a booster shot for my dilligence and organization, because my output drops below 500 words a day every summer and the 2k boost usually lasts me until spring. Give it a try!
  8. Anesor

    Fan Fiction and Original Characters

    No, what was stinging about it?
  9. Anesor

    Fan Fiction and Original Characters

    Yeah, I’ve seen too many pro writers who make a well-done character go so far off the rail for clearly meta reasons in books, TV, and games and they thought bending the char is less important than forcing the scene or plot. That happens in fanfic as well, but I see that as less embarrassing, though still bad. I can be open to redeemed villains if they have to work at it, and tarnished heroes if they break, but the changes from canon need to be rooted in some one or multiple hints in the canon. Most annoying to me are the ones who take things far darker without any convincing reasons for the character change beyond bending the character. Because the writer hates that box. I think if you hate the box, why use that character at all? OCs are better than bending the character and rejecting the box. Characters are made up of voluntary and involuntary boxes. We can tweak or grow out of our self-made boxes, but it just doesn’t happen by magic. (even in worlds with magic, there is the spell or curse that forces a change. The better writers figure a way to adjust the box without rejecting the entire box. [BTW i really like this box metaphor, because it handles OOCness well] -- about the number of OCs for the story, that is tricky. If there is no existing character to take the story role the writer needs, I don’t see any problem. But I think OCs should be a minority percent of the cast. People read fanfic for new adventures of characters they love. I know I tend to drop from stories where majority OCs carry the story. I started writing from canons of CRPG, so the lead was almost always an OC which colorizes the story told. I find the bigger reason for limiting the number of characters is that the story will grow almost virally. To make interesting characters or get canon ones to be more than tropes, you have to develop them and give them goals and some small arc. That takes a lot of time when you pass a dozen major characters, that’s how my simple Cthulu coming to attack a high fantasy city exploded to become 300k words and I nearly had an ilcer trying to wrangle it to a conclusion. My current crack derived idea is heading for 200k, (8 POV chars 2 of those OC… 21 major chars, and 5 of those are OC) All those subplots end up detracting from your main story thread. Slices of life are good, but a good story needs a good and meaningful conclusion. Your cast is a bigger box to treasure.
  10. Twilight Zone realization:

    When looking at a fic with psychic characters, and back in June I decided my lead had a peptic ulcer about to burst.  Early this month a close family member had a peptic ulcer and emergency surgery, when there is no history in the family.  Brother said I was not to write about these things again…

    (no more real ailmenta) 

     

     

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    2. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      So, @Anesor  Like your brother or are you planning to write something for him?  A mild stubbed toe, or worse?  (Maybe picking up a voodoo doll, great for Halloween…?)

    3. Anesor

      Anesor

      She’s recovering, though anything more than lurching to/from WC is a challenge. Her appetite is still wonky from meds (Ie she hated a recipe that tasted fine)

      The problem is more my primary aide called out today and I’m physically miserable... My brother is harried because his car has been broken down since before she got sick and he needs daylight to work on it (and he has a date Sat)

    4. JayDee

      JayDee

      well, s’not good, I hope you get better soon too. There’s always hope I guess.

  11. In 48 hours my mother should be released and home from hospital/rehab. Yay!

  12. This was one of those weeks, losing connectivity for days was not the low point: ?ulcer? surgery for my mother is… feh.

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    2. Anesor

      Anesor

      friday she also got dignosedwith gall stones and additional surgery possible, but treating with meds. moving to temp niring facility tomorrow. maybe home friday.

      lonely times

       

       

    3. BronxWench

      BronxWench

      It just gets worse! I am so sorry! :( :hug:

    4. Anesor

      Anesor

      temp facility and home fridayis an improvement over last friday. she shounds better and I’m actually trying to stop editing and get back to writing

      thanks

  13. I’d go further than that in a lot of settings heroic recoveries have been known to proliferate. Comic book and high fantasy, even especially if you helped bury the body after the funeral… sometimes very necessary if the face character of the setting died without any meaning, or they are too crucial to the franchise. Prof X comes to mind, though all of us can name a dozen more… How familiar are the chars with that trope from myth?
  14. Wonderful way to enjoy a heat wave: spend 8 hours trying to figure out why email took a powder 8pm last night. settings are fine, but cannot connect. whee!

    (even the eweb inteface was down for 6 hours) maybe proxy settings? or I forgot to sacrifice a chicken on Bill Gates’ birhtday) email spotty until further notice

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    2. Anesor

      Anesor

      the servers are up. My email client cannot connect, it looks like 50% chance either my AV or firewall is blocking the login popup and the email client doesn’t have the login anymore.  Pop3:por110 was supposed to go byby, but I’ve been using recommended port995 for a good while.  or 2)I can’t help but think port 995 isn’t accepting connections at all, and my client never puts up the login window without the connection.

       

    3. BronxWench

      BronxWench

      My ISP email ( POP) uses port 110, while my IMAP email uses port 993. Might be worth a try...

    4. Anesor

      Anesor

      took 48 hours of pain, but it looks like proxy server settings that affected ONLY the email program, a BFE service, and new AV.

      My ISP is discontining thePOP3 110 port and switching to 995. I spent WWednesdayon the phone with comcast. but late afternoon my mom’s comp was fine. so it was not the modem/router/sever settings.  the authentication wasn’t happening and there was not way to manually change it in the settings. the popup was the only way and the popup never appeared as it didn’t make a connection… ALL other programs/updates/sites seemed fine.