Deleting Reviews

[JayDee]

These days, if a user doesn't delete flames, then the admin team has to do it anyway as part of their clean up - and it takes longer than the one click for a user - so I tend to just delete anything with no mention of the story eg "Die alone you sick cunt", but keep anything with story mentioned, assuming that it's just a negative review rather than a claim I'd leave the author flames up if it wasn't for site policy on flames!

[Shadowknight12]

Naturally, reviews get deleted when you delete a story, so I have to vote yes.

[Ajwf]

I'm particullarly fond of these two... Little backstory... The genre was adventure... And trust me when I say I'm not a romance novelist. I kept both since I couldn't figure out how to delete them, and now they're worth a couple of snickers. The part that got me mad was he reviewed under the anonymous setting...

Death2Takari 8/1/11 . chapter 1

I wonder if this is going to be one of those typical Davis bashing Takaris where the two brats of the team think they're the most powerful and are totally pathetic and sappy all through it. It's certainly seeming like it at the moment. There's already been Davis bashing and that bit about that slut Kari being the most powerful is a load of bull! If anything she's the weakest of the lot of them! She's always hiding behind someone! Shes pathetic!

I'll probably read one or two more chapters but if the Davis bashing carries on then I'm going to stop. Also, Gatomon's the one to be disgusted with. She shouldn't even dare to show disgust since she worked for an evil Digimon.

Also I do wish people would remember that Kari never ended up with either of the guys which was good as she didn't deserve them. Plus Davis, while people like you badmouth him, wrongly I might add, he was the one that totally came through when MaloMyotismon got the Digidestined all caught up in the Dreamworld! People seem to forget that even their precious ickle TK and Kari got caught! Those two aren't perfect!

Chapter 3, same story....

This chapter was the final straw. Bad enough Takari and Davis bashing, but you've put bloody Sorato in it! That pairing is disgusting. But also, if you're going to stick to the pairings in the actual anime, then you shouldn't have bloody Takari! Since they DIDN'T HAPPEN! Damn you stupid idiots for putting these two pairings in! I was going to carry on, but when I saw the sick Sorato part I flipped! Screw you. I'm always up for a GOOD Takari, but I DETEST Sorato! So screw you! I REFUSE to read anymore of this garbage! Unless of course you message me and tell me that Tai gets her instead of that ugly blonde! Get a grip and stop using Sorato AND Takari. Unfortunately for you silly fans, only ONE of those disgusting pairings happened! If Taiora had happened and there weren't so many of you people badmouthing Davis, then I might like Takari still, but people like YOU have made me HATE them!

Edited June 17, 2012 by Ajwf

[Shadowknight12]

LOL I've received worse. At least you can giggle at the fact that he takes whatever you're writing too seriously and is bursting an aneurysm over it.

[Ajwf]

Wasn't fun when I first got it, but now I'm happy I've kept it.

[Daye]

interesting. Why in particular do you delete anonymous reviews?

[GeorgeGlass]

The only reviews I delete are those that point out specific technical problems that I have since corrected (eg, when an admin notes that I need to add a tag, or when someone tells me that the formatting of the story is screwed up). Apart from that, I keep them all, even the ones that are irrelevant (eg, "When are you going to write another story about _____?").

Of course, I've never had someone attack me personally in a review, so I'm not sure what I'd do with a review like that. Frankly, I think I might feel validated if someone called me a sicko or a pervert or something in a review, because even I think that some of my stories warrant that. The closest I've come is a review from someone who said that my story "Side Effects" made him want to throw up. I didn't delete that review, partly because it's useful as a warning to potential readers about the strong content of the story, and partly because the person confessed that even though he found the story really upsetting, he also couldn't stop reading it.

[DemonGoddess]

What we (staff) need for users to do in the matter of flame baiting, flaming, trolling and the like in the review board is to LEAVE the review so it can be documented. Once we've done that, then we will remove the review ourselves.

[JayDee]

Well this all feels a little necro'y (and not the good kind) but about my post above from 2012 referring to a site policy on flames and talking about me deleting my own - I got that impression from the discussion in this 2010 thread, specifially, this post and this post where then-mod RogueMudblood and y'self indicated that deleting our own flames saved time for the staff!

It's all a bit old, but I felt I should clarify my point, and obviously from the new post there it doesn't apply any more and I shall henceforth not delete any flames if I get any.

Anyway, most flamers seem to find it too much hassle to leave reviews these days so hasn't been a problem for me since then anyhow!

Edited July 27, 2014 by JayDee

[Desiderius Price]

15 hours ago, Anon said:

Reviews are so rare and nice, why would I delete them?

It’s good to have the option, especially in the case of a troll and/or spam.

[mastershakeme]

Just now, Desiderius Price said:

It’s good to have the option, especially in the case of a troll and/or spam.

That’s the only way i’d delete them. i deleted a story, but that’s because i wanted to re-write it. 

[Desiderius Price]

I did delete one story because I was replacing it with several others as a rewrite – still in progress…   Other reasons I’ve heard are publishing (publishers will typically demand it), and/or other legal issues.  I’ll typically cringe when I hear about somebody pulling a story though, just because it’ like a star going out, there’s a void where it was.

[mastershakeme]

5 hours ago, Desiderius Price said:

I did delete one story because I was replacing it with several others as a rewrite – still in progress…   Other reasons I’ve heard are publishing (publishers will typically demand it), and/or other legal issues.  I’ll typically cringe when I hear about somebody pulling a story though, just because it’ like a star going out, there’s a void where it was.

Lol do you mean it breaks your heart when someone takes down a story? 

I've lost stories I've loved before. Of you are an HP Fandom guy then you know what I'm talking about. They used to (Idk how active they still are now) have communities who's sole purpose was to either store and distribute or help people find old fics, deleted ones and other shit of that nature. I guess this site has a place for that too..... So yea, Harry Potter was my biggest Fandom, so sorry for rambling about it all the time. It was all consuming now I do nothing but original fics 

Idk about the legality of it, but I've gotten into the habit of saving stories I like because I have gone back to a story and saw some page like "Author deleted fic!" and I went nuts lol. It's just for my personal viewing. Hopefully that's OK, lol I wonder if anyone has my old stories... That'd be pretty creepy  

[Desiderius Price]

4 hours ago, mastershakeme said:

Lol do you mean it breaks your heart when someone takes down a story? 

I've lost stories I've loved before. Of you are an HP Fandom guy then you know what I'm talking about. They used to (Idk how active they still are now) have communities who's sole purpose was to either store and distribute or help people find old fics, deleted ones and other shit of that nature. I guess this site has a place for that too..... So yea, Harry Potter was my biggest Fandom, so sorry for rambling about it all the time. It was all consuming now I do nothing but original fics 

Idk about the legality of it, but I've gotten into the habit of saving stories I like because I have gone back to a story and saw some page like "Author deleted fic!" and I went nuts lol. It's just for my personal viewing. Hopefully that's OK, lol I wonder if anyone has my old stories... That'd be pretty creepy  

I’m not a lawyer, so I’m not an expert and fanfic is already on the edge of legality.  So while a fanfic does infringe on the original author’s work, it’s also got its own copyright because it’s considered a derivative work.  In the case of Harry Potter, JKR’s made it generally clear that she’s okay with it so long as you’re not making money from it.  I mention the derivative work thing because she can’t take your fanfic and publish that without your permission either…  In the gaming world, some game studios make that a stipulation in the ToS in order for a mod-author to publish a game mod, ie, the studio can take it and make it an official part of the game.

Saving of stories is a definite grey area, and makes authors uncomfortable because some saved copies have a habit of showing up on other websites, perhaps an older revision, under either their name, or under a new author’s name (see the hall of shame for examples...). 

 

 

[mastershakeme]

@Desiderius Price you and your legal stuff  you sexy moonlight lawyer lol. 

But yea..... I'm sure people don't like stories saved, that's why they're just for me. 

I again and again butt my head against the wall because I try to write like a reader. I've been in both positions and I know more about being a reader to be honest. 

Just a few months ago, when I started planning rewrites and began posting outside AFF, I got recognized on another site and hurried to delete the AFF content before this chick blabbed my awesome idea. I'm DEF paranoid, but whatever :-P legality be damned but I own it! 

Edited June 20, 2017 by mastershakeme

[BronxWench]

The legality of fan fiction is something of an ongoing debate. For now, it’s covered under the Fair Use provisions of the US copyright laws, as long as no profit is made (hence our insistence on disclaimers acknowledging the copyright and declaring no profit is made).

While you can’t hold copyright on your fan fiction per se, we do hold that your Fair Use work is yours and yours alone, and so long as no profit is being made, the original copyright holder will probably never go beyond a cease and desist order should they decide fan fiction inspired by their work is a Very Bad Thing. But as far as passing around saved copies of fan fictions, we draw a very clear line here. We know it’s done, but AFF will not be a hub for that sort of thing, and I for one was exceedingly uncomfortable with AO3’s download feature and its format options. They have a not-for-profit with deep pockets and expensive lawyers behind them, however, so perhaps they’re okay with that risk. We don’t, and we’re not.

I will also say there are some sites out there which archive work (especially HP-related fan fiction) without the permission of the author. We view those as pirate sites, and we won’t allow links to them in our search threads, no more than we’ll allow hard copies to be passed around.

But Des is quite right about mods for games. A lot of game modders see their work incorporated into a game, and they don’t get a choice about that, but then again, if they’re consistently good, who knows? They might get a job. It’s much harder for a fan fiction writer to gain that level of respect (although I am still somewhat bemused by the fan fiction of a former fan fiction phenomenon...)

[mastershakeme]

1 hour ago, BronxWench said:

The legality of fan fiction is something of an ongoing debate. For now, it’s covered under the Fair Use provisions of the US copyright laws, as long as no profit is made (hence our insistence on disclaimers acknowledging the copyright and declaring no profit is made).

While you can’t hold copyright on your fan fiction per se, we do hold that your Fair Use work is yours and yours alone, and so long as no profit is being made, the original copyright holder will probably never go beyond a cease and desist order should they decide fan fiction inspired by their work is a Very Bad Thing. But as far as passing around saved copies of fan fictions, we draw a very clear line here. We know it’s done, but AFF will not be a hub for that sort of thing, and I for one was exceedingly uncomfortable with AO3’s download feature and its format options. They have a not-for-profit with deep pockets and expensive lawyers behind them, however, so perhaps they’re okay with that risk. We don’t, and we’re not.

I will also say there are some sites out there which archive work (especially HP-related fan fiction) without the permission of the author. We view those as pirate sites, and we won’t allow links to them in our search threads, no more than we’ll allow hard copies to be passed around.

But Des is quite right about mods for games. A lot of game modders see their work incorporated into a game, and they don’t get a choice about that, but then again, if they’re consistently good, who knows? They might get a job. It’s much harder for a fan fiction writer to gain that level of respect (although I am still somewhat bemused by the fan fiction of a former fan fiction phenomenon...)

You guys are so knowledgable about this stuff. I was just joking with the lawyer comment, but anything that involes contracts and yes, disclaimers, my mind goes out the door… 

I was told your someone I could talk to about publishing and what that all entails @BronxWench…….

On another note, that’s a pretty interesting tidbit about mods for games. I’ve done my fair share of gaming and yep. mods add to the game significantly, and some games are almost unplayable without them. I was just doing a sims 4 session the other day and got off because i wanted to update my sex mods lol. They’re SO FLIPPING amazing this point. My little simies are anatomically  correct  and they have some pretty explicit animations. It’s like watching a porn. But, when i went to update my mods, i saw some links to pateron. They’re making money off this! I’m not sure how its ok, but i then went ahead and got a subsciption to the mod site. i paid for it. Yea…. 

[BronxWench]

::nods::  My Elderspawn mods heavily, but more for graphics and killer weapons and armor. I’m not a heavy user of mods myself unless I think the mod fixes what appears to be a plot hole or logic fail. And if David Gaider ever manages to write a decent romance, I’ll die of shock.

As far as publishing goes, I’m sort of the horrible warning these days, since my publisher changed owners, and the new owners ran it into the ground. I’ve gotten my rights back, and I’m supposed to be cleaning up my manuscripts for republication, but there’s a few of us who’ve published, either via a press or self-publishing. Ask away, though, and I’m happy to answer!

[mastershakeme]

1 minute ago, BronxWench said:

::nods::  My Elderspawn mods heavily, but more for graphics and killer weapons and armor. I’m not a heavy user of mods myself unless I think the mod fixes what appears to be a plot hole or logic fail. And if David Gaider ever manages to write a decent romance, I’ll die of shock.

As far as publishing goes, I’m sort of the horrible warning these days, since my publisher changed owners, and the new owners ran it into the ground. I’ve gotten my rights back, and I’m supposed to be cleaning up my manuscripts for republication, but there’s a few of us who’ve published, either via a press or self-publishing. Ask away, though, and I’m happy to answer!

Your a trooper  I bog my game down just trying to make it look shiny. I think its interesting and probably very smart on the part of the developers to accept modding at this point. I mean, look at Steam. If you go ahead and buy the game through them, you get a whole workshop of mods and a community to support them. I mean, those mods install automatically! That’s against everything I’ve ever learned! Mods are supposed to be hard to install lol.

I’ll PM you about the publishing… I def saw all the press on Torque closing down, but didn’t actually know what that meant or the authors that had dealings with them. No, your not a warning! You are seasoned! I’m sure you feel differntly about it, but living is a challenge, it sounds like you’ve jumped over quite a few hurdles  and your still in the race! Whoot! You go girl!

[Desiderius Price]

9 hours ago, BronxWench said:

The legality of fan fiction is something of an ongoing debate. For now, it’s covered under the Fair Use provisions of the US copyright laws, as long as no profit is made (hence our insistence on disclaimers acknowledging the copyright and declaring no profit is made).

While you can’t hold copyright on your fan fiction per se, we do hold that your Fair Use work is yours and yours alone, and so long as no profit is being made, the original copyright holder will probably never go beyond a cease and desist order should they decide fan fiction inspired by their work is a Very Bad Thing. But as far as passing around saved copies of fan fictions, we draw a very clear line here. We know it’s done, but AFF will not be a hub for that sort of thing, and I for one was exceedingly uncomfortable with AO3’s download feature and its format options. They have a not-for-profit with deep pockets and expensive lawyers behind them, however, so perhaps they’re okay with that risk. We don’t, and we’re not.

 

Glancing at wikipedia on derivative works…  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work)

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For copyright protection to attach to a later, allegedly derivative work, it must display some originality of its own.

and…

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Copyright ownership in a derivative work attaches only if the derivative work is lawful, because of a license or other "authorization."

Guess it comes down to whether or not it’s “authorized” ….

And we all know fanfics can be done commercially, with permission.  J.J Abrams being quite successful at it.

 

[Desiderius Price]

10 hours ago, BronxWench said:

But Des is quite right about mods for games. A lot of game modders see their work incorporated into a game, and they don’t get a choice about that, but then again, if they’re consistently good, who knows? They might get a job. It’s much harder for a fan fiction writer to gain that level of respect (although I am still somewhat bemused by the fan fiction of a former fan fiction phenomenon...)

Actually, for skyrim, there’s a very excellent mod, Falskaar, that has the quality of a DLC.  Apparently, the mod author wanted to get a job at Bethesda and spent a year making the mod as a “see-what-I-can-do”.  While he didn’t land a Bethesda gig, it did result in him landing a job with a different game studio.

[BronxWench]

Actually, what JJ Abrams does isn’t really fan fiction. Some franchises solicit written work, such as Star Trek, and Star Wars. Or take RA Salvatore, and his famous drow ranger, Drizzt Do’Urden, who is central to a series based on the Forgotten Realms lore copyrighted by Wizards of the Coast. There are quite a few authors licensed by WotC, and whose work is now part of canon. Of course the authors make money on their work. David Gaider, a writer for BioWare, also wrote a couple of novels based on the Dragon Age ‘verse. It’s not uncommon in some franchises, really, and I can guarantee those authors don’t consider what they do to be fan fiction.

 

[Desiderius Price]

22 hours ago, BronxWench said:

Actually, what JJ Abrams does isn’t really fan fiction.

Legally likely true, but to a fan, the change can be jarring enough that it might as well be fan fiction. 

[BronxWench]

1 minute ago, Desiderius Price said:

Legally likely true, but to a fan, the change can be jarring enough that it might as well be fan fiction. 

 I’m sure I’d say the same about half the crap the developers do to my favorite games. I still haven’t forgiven Bioware for screwing up their elves in the second Dragon Age game, not to mention the crappy repeating dungeons and the single ending no matter how you chose throughout the game. They’ve redeemed themselves with Inquisition, mostly, but still. I’ll wind up banned from cons if I ever run into David Gaider.