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Here is another worksheet I use when I am a little iffy about the direction a story in my head could go. This is a handy tool to write a decent story in a matter of weeks, instead of requiring months to contemplate new steps when things get foggy and the story seems to dry up without explanation also. Copy and paste this one, and fill it out. It can help speed story writing and give you a great overview of the technical aspects of the overall story. It is called a Snowflake technique. I forget where I got this info, but it has worked well for me. Hope it helps someone else. STEP 1: HOOK LINE: In one sentence, what is the essence of your story? STEP 2: BLURB: A one paragraph summary of what will happen- think the back cover of a novel at the book store. (STEP 3: Part 1: this section deals in clarifying the Blurb as in what starts the trouble, and how it affects characters LESSER INCITING INCIDENT: GREATER INCITING INCIDENT: GOALS (Lesser & Greater/Mental) How does the character perceive the inciting incidents and why they choose to take action: GOALS (Lesser/Physical) The physical actions taken to counter the inciting incident; the personal stakes: GOALS (Greater/Physical) The impact the physical actions have in overcoming the inciting greater incident for the greater good of the majority: STRATEGY (Lesser): STRATEGY (Greater): OPPOSITION (Lesser): OPPOSITION (Greater): STAKES (Lesser) What does the character have to lose personally?: STAKES (Greater) If character fails, how much will the rest of the story cast have to lose?: BLEAKEST MOMENT (Lesser & Greater): EMOTIONAL/PSYCHOLOGICAL HOLE (Lesser & Greater): HOLE FILLER (Lesser & Greater): REVELATION (Lesser & Greater): DECISION MADE (Lesser & Greater): Step 3: TRUE : MICRO SUMMARY the one full page condensed main character actions list : STEP 4: MAJOR SUMMARY the one page interaction of all characters to gain resolution of conflicts: SECOND VERSION Snowflake main: the outline for the story. This section is where you come up with the good and the bad character plot lines and how the characters will be affected and seek to overcome or dominate each other to gain their ends.

I must say that your cartoon is both entertaining and has validity also, Tigro. Whenever science does more harm than good, it is time to rethink the reason for it to exist. The same applies for Religion, and many other regulatory disciplines. Harmonic living is important, self responsibility is necessary. Science can do many great and wonderful things, yet it is also capable of destroying and enslaving also. When it enslaves and harms it does become a case of Ego out of control me thinks. Thanks so much for sharing this cartoon.

Why am I not surprised to read that AOHell is even worse than It was when My aunt worked for the company in the early 90's? Snorting over here. The horrid ideas sent my aunt packing from that place long ago. She said that the main powers wanted a lot of control over people, and it is not surprising that they still do that crap. Oh well, we came up with a side plan. Owl said she is working with you also on how to get around AOhell. She said comcast is giving her better access now that she knows how to get that open instead. Grins. Thanks so much for your patience and help, Demon Goddess we both appreciate it a lot.

Chuckles. It is okay if I make it a work trip. Her newest son in law thinks he knows computers and it takes me hours to undo the nightmares he creates all the time already. It won't be long before I have to resurrect their computer at any rate. On average I do it 4 times each year. I'll schedule in the added Chrome on my next visit to fix his stupidity.

Thanks so much for the input. I will relay the message to OldOwl ASAP. Looks like I need to make a trip to Catalina to fix her computer and teach her about navigating online. She does not know how to download anything and Her Hubby is as ditzy as her about computers. Both need serious computer basic classes. I'll get things fixed as soon as I can schedule in the hour long trip each way.

Hehe. Takumi truly is clueless and it is often somewhat intentional on his part. His horrid self esteem problem is so obvious it is painfully adorable. I also love him for it because he makes writing his perspective interesting to say the least. Itsuke is the other character I'm picking on more each day. He's so ADHD and seriously Chemical Imbalanced I can no longer resist the urge to explore his possibilities. Anyway, I think I've gotten off topic long enough. I really should get back to revisions and posting the 4 stories here.

I am in a very good mood now. Dancing on the Air good mood in fact. I got a concrit review that actually told me the correct Japanese words to insert for once! Hip Hip Hoozah. I don't know if the reviewer Anonym-kun will ever see this, but I am so grateful for the corrections mentioned. As soon as possible, I can go back and revise the already posted chapters. Gotta start the corrections in the middle of Alternate Tracks, but I'm going to get busy with it now that I know. Looks like the spellings I got from the book Japanese In Ten Minutes A Day has a lot of misspells in it. Plus, I am learning the reason for Nani and Naze being the wrong words for the first time. I was wondering about the grumbles I was getting without any backing it up. Here is the review that is going to make my writing better for those who do know Japanese. Review: I like the story a lot. The first time I read it was long time ago, when it was still fully presented on fanfiction net, and the second part was only somewhere in the middle of progress, I think. It fascinated me from the beginning and didn't let go, so now I decided to renew my memory and reread it (thanks to the fifth anime series finally appearing, but anyway). I was still extremely pleased. But. Why did you use so many "japanese" words? Most of them are picking on my hearing (or reading in this case) and are usually unnecessary. You don't hear a Japanese saying "Kimi ha(wa) WHAT wo shite imasuka?" (君はWHATをしていますか) And I was really rolling on the floor every time someone cursed - it does sound funny when you see "naze/nani the hell". If you still insist on using words in your work (your choice, really), then you should at least use them correctly. For example: If you use "onnas" instead of "women" - then why do you still use "men", not "otoko"? {I learned a new word! Yeah!!!!} You use "ryoushin" and "aniki" - but instead of "otouto" you use "Little brother". When you want to say "everyone", it's "minnasan" (みんなさん) - not "minasan" With "isha" is used not "san", but "sensei", as any politic, teacher, doctor or simply very respected person. Though in your story better use the name with the suffix. When you use "naze" - there's another word "doushite", and half of the times you use "naze" there should be "doushite" instead. Or even "douyatte". It's hard to find the examples as the story is big and I don't remember where I saw those, but here's one: "I really don't understand naze Fujiwara san's behavior is unusual when we'r doing the same thing he is right now." Naze means "what for", and here you have a different meaning of "why", better use "doushite". They have a few different "why", you know? "Arigatou" (ありがとう), not "arigato". "doumo" (どうも) - not "domo". "doumo sumimasen" is Ok, but no "gozaimasu" - it is not used in apologies. If you want to stress an extreme apology, you'd better use "moushiwake arimasen" (もうしわけありません) - something along the line of "there is no forgiveness for me". "Yoroshiku" is used only during the introductions or when a great help is given. "Gomen nasai gozaimasu" - actually wrong, too. "Gomennasai onegaishimasu" (ごめんなさいおねがいします) is what you emotionally ment. Probably. Though if apology is to the person of higher ranking, then "gomennasai" is a rude mistake at all. (P.S.: besides, "gomen" and "nasai" aren't two words. "nasai" is simply the grammatical ending, so the simplified version sounds "gomen", when the word is stripped of all ending that add politeness.) "Nani time do you get off" - well, there is a special case about it. Japanese say "Nan ji" for "what time". "iie kidding" - extremely wrong grammatically. "Kidding ja nai", if you insist. I hope it doesn't look like bullying, cause I didn't intend it to. The first time I read this I don't remember such words in the text, and now the whole effect of some angered speech is completely ruined because of "nani" every five words. And if you wonder "what the hell is she blabbering about" or "what gives her the right to say so" - I'm finishing my 3rd year in University right now, Japanese major. Good luck with your muse - I definitely like the stuff she's smoking.) Anonym-kun if you ever see this: Thank you so very much for the input. You are awesome. I will definitely give you a high five anytime you wish to yell at me for making mistakes in the verbiage. Also, I am trying to get this right with Japanese because I am trying to cut down on he said English/Japanese non stop when the Project D crew is stuck in America ion later stories I am still posting. Well, I guess it is time to get cracking on the revisions again, and although readers are going to go Huh? when they see the changes mid story, I will Author Note the corrections in bad grammar fixes and go from there. So danged happy right now I can barely stand myself. I finally know the problem, so I can fix it!

In the event anyone reads the series, and has questions, this is the right place to come. I am moving all of the series here from FFnet. It is taking me a bit of time so please be patient with me since each of the three completed novels are in excess of 300 pages long. I do frequent updates so I will get it all here as fast as I can revise and edit based upon reviews I have received at FFnet. All except for removing Samantha Singing Wolf as several reviews demanded of me, that is. Sam and a few scattered Japanese words in dialog will remain. So on those problems, unless it is a Japanese usage correction, please do not scream at me on either topic. Now onto the stories that this review response thread is intended to cover. Driven Heart: the Prequel to the Rivalry Revealed series. Keisuke meets Takumi and falls head over heels but is in hard core denial about it. Heheh, I am so going to enjoy putting so many wicked thoughts into poor Keisuke's head as this story continues to get written. It is a response to all the PM and IM requests I have recieved from readers since I first posted A Rivalry Revealed at FFN a couple years ago. People wanted to know how Keisuke fell in love with Takumi, and this is the answer to those questions. This story features wet dreams and self gratification smut. A Rivalry Revealed: The first Initial D fic story in this series that I wrote. It is completed and now on AFFnet. Keisuke goes from hard core denial to cleaning up his act so Takumi will consider him as a possible boyfriend. Not much smut, but, I did add a couple good kiss scenes and a round of masturbation fantasy on Keisuke's part. Keisuke is frustrated and squirming because Takumi is not picking up his signals for most of this story. Alternate Tracks: 2nd in the main series. It is also another complete story. This is where the smut takes off for those who love hot men getting nasty together. Plot gets dark however since I am an angst writer by nature. Mogi becomes a stalker and she and Keisuke go to war over who gets to keep Takumi. Mogi does go nuts and hunts down her darling Takumi. Enough Said. As the Smoke Clears: Third in the Series and also completed. Synopses: Takumi moves in with Keisuke's family. Has sex scenes. Another tale that tends to be dark and twisted. Keisuke has to return to his old Gangster group and hunt down Takumi's Kidnapers to get his boyfriend back. As the Smoke Clears: The fourth story. I have part of it up since this is the only site it has ever been placed. This one is a very dark story and has controversial themes. It includes recovery from rape, flashbacks of rape, and other very disturbing elements. Increasingly kinky sex is in the mix. In fact Takumi is the one turning kinky. Plus the long awaited "Love's Legacy Ceremony" has been written and posted officially. I did a lot of research on Shinto ceremonies, especially weddings to get that written. Romp For Perverts: This is an ongoing plot what plot fan service. It contains a variety highlights of all the sex scenes, minus the many chapters of plot line story telling for those not at all interested in story lines. Contains all the cut sex scenes from the Rivalry series novels from whence the deleted chapters were written and then axed. Doubt this story will ever get a Complete tag unless I stop writing Takumi x Keisuke fics.

Hey, you're right, I can see it with a Brit's accent also now. Cool. Gives it even more amusement value. Too bad the reviewer was not from Britain. The kids said they were using IM shorthand when I did a head bang on the computer desk moaning about illiteracy in this country. Wot is supposed to be what as they explained it to me. Tak stands for Takumi Fujiwara from Initial D. KTs - shorthand for Keisuke Takahashi, the other main street racer from Initial D and Takumi's Project D Teammate. I understand that Tokyo Pop coined the names Tak and KT for their version. It was a complete flop in America the first time it was released because fans had complete melt downs over the changes made to several Character names. I own Stage one through four in the Japanese version. Heard that Funimation took over and re dubbed the series. The names are correct now. Plus, the cursing and other things were returned to the series. Blame my addiction to this street racing show on my older son. He's a car fanatic, and mechanically inclined the same as myself. When he brought the Initial D box sets home, I kind of confiscated them after I saw the first few episodes. He thinks it is hilarious how often I watch the series. Hehehe. Keisuke is so much fun to pick on cause he is a bad boy. Then again, Takumi is also, only because he's such a cute little prude.

OldOwl says her husband pays for America Online service as their main internet provider. She hasn't got a clue what kind of Java set up it uses. Neither does her hubby it seems. She is on Windows 7. To be honest, I think that must be the main problem. I am aware of how much of a pain the Aol program can be when it comes to setting limits on people's usage. I stopped using them for my internet provision over a decade ago because the program is set up to be so controlling over the users when it is control of their internet access. I will talk her through the process of turning on Internet Explorer specifically when she is visiting AFFnet. Hopefully that will resolve the problem she's having. If Aol continues to cause interference, we will have to try and talk her stubborn hubby into going with a different internet provider. Unless you have some idea of how to bypass aohell's bull? Big hopeful smile as I daydream of slaughtering A.O.Hell. . . . I really learned to hate that friggin program years ago.

I can let OldOwl know of Author names to look up as she gets settled into the groove. I know she has been one of the best assets I've had since she does hold my nose to the grindstone as hard as any professional editing staff to publish something readable. I have a question also. Owl sent me an email saying that she is getting limited on the number of chapter reviews she can give here. She can only give five, or maybe six per day as far as she knows. Is there a specific reason for that shut off limit? I told her I figure it may be due to spam bot blocking software, and that I would find out more about the situation for her. Or is the setting intended to put limits upon the number of concrits to a specific author per day? If that is the case, I can tell her to shift focus to a couple writers each day so she can keep herself amused. Thanks so much for the information in advance.

Wiping tears from my eyes as I read all of these great typo terror moments. My contribution came from several reviews I have collected over the years. #1 { in my opinion, detrimental to the writing style and injures the flow of the story. } When I read this, I wondered how typed words could get physically injured. #2{ But, I have just joined so I can not really say anything at all good job! } For the first week I pondered whether they were saying my writing style sucked, or that they were so new to reviewing stories they were not doing a good job. Considering how many coherent good jobs I received, I decided they were probably saying the same. #3{I still get the same thought wot happened when tak finished work and wot is kts idea of a first date.} It took me 5 minutes to stop seeing light bulbs in my head over the "wot" shorthand. Not certain as to why that happens. However wot looks to me as if it should be spell checked into the genuine word "watt" for some reason. #4 {when do u plan to update this chapi check it just about everyday but no luck. and thank u for putting in the missing parts so one can only gather what the next story will be like compelete } The story this child (?) or ditzy bad joke variety Blond (?) was reviewing was already marked completed in big bold letters. I ended the number one novel's final page with the obligatory Author's Note stating that the "Next story is Alternate Tracks, Sequel to A Rivalry Revealed." Is it only me, or do people not comprehend straight forward English in this day and age? Something has gone seriously wrong within the education system in place for American children I fear. And the grand Finale that had me twitching when I saw it two years ago: #5 {and i see it's a YAOI and YESH! i love YAOI! i wonder who'll be the pair would be be my fave ahhaha i wonder why people don't review in this} I have yet to decide if the reviewer was high on crack, another illegal substance, or suffering from acute insomnia exacerbated by caffeine overdose and too much sugar when they sent their review.

I understand completely. I do not use the term to degrade the nightmare of World War 2. It is not my favorite phrase either, however many authors have referred to OldOwl as "The Grammar Nazi" for a decade. Her infamy began in the Urbis website feedback arena. Thin skinned vermin posing as authors have fits such as the ones I've seen in this thread over her reviews. Many foolish egomaniac pretenders scream foul about her input. The sad fact is "Grammar Nazi" is the fastest way of giving the Moderators posting on this thread a heads up because "Oh poor abused little me! I got told I'm not a writing God. Boo-hoo! Waaah!" type authors will throw tantrums once Owl figures out this archive. I've seen OldOwl leave reviews for stories that were so horrid she simply wrote: "Please learn the rudimentary uses of your Grammar Checking/Spell Checking features within your word processor program. They are valuable tools of your trade." OldOwl's meaning; "Please study and master the basic structure of the English language." Owl knows the difference between conscious use of grammar glitches to advance characterization, and genuine ignorance. She understands the purposeful use of bad grammar, namely in dialog. She knows that people do not speak in perfect syntax, Grammar perfect English. In fact I have seen her leave reviews where she told writers; "people do not speak perfect English in the real world. Relax grammar in dialog to give the character more personality." OldOwl is a tenacious reviewer when she sees an author has promise. She looks for strengths in every writer's creation. In my case it was plots and unique word descriptions for characters/backgrounds/items. Because I do evoke emotions well, Owl began pushing me to polish my weak spots. I whimpered and cried 10 years ago, but I've never regretted considering corrections she advised. The funniest thing is that Owl will leave a rehash in a review if the overall feel of the chapter fits the character point of view to perfection. If she leaves opinion reviews and rehashes instead of please correct this, that, and the other, it means she felt the chapter was a perfect reflection of the character's world lens. Old Owl's only major reviewer flaw is she gets character names wrong if they are Japanese, Russian, or similar ethnic roots. She has warned me that she inserted pronounceable names in her head to keep track of the cannon Keisuke and Takumi characters because she can't pronounce their names. Otherwise, Owl is an incredible Beta Class reader that should be respected. If you want to fix your problems in writing, she is the best reviewer I've had for a while. She's the reviewer to watch for over the next few months.

Laughing so hard as I catch up on this thread right now. I took all of several years worth of reviews from the two sites I posted on, the good, bad, and ugly. Now I am completely revamping a whole series at the moment and moving them to this site in the Initial D archive section. Looks like I must warn everyone that I helped a dear friend who is a reading fanatic to get onto this site. She doesn't write, but she will review anything that catches her eyes. Every single chapter . . . Not even kidding here. She and I met when I was an active Urbis contributing writer who royally sucked at the time. For 10 years, any site I start posting on, she starts combing through looking for gems to entertain herself. She's partially paralyzed and something of a shut in so she does have plenty of time. The reason she has stuck with me for so many years is she likes my way of turning phrases. She has helped me get even better at finding new ways with words. Please be nice to OldOwl if she does review your work. She's one incredible asset if you look at her review with an eye for "maybe I can fix that little problem" mindset. She tells me every single typo and every grammar problem, and I absolutely love her for it. She's helped me improve my writing greatly over 10 years. Sometimes she goes on character kicks, and sometimes she's a grammar Nazi, but OldOwl is one of the greatest assets any writer could ever befriend. She broke me of the horrific bad habit of not being well versed in which character was talking to the other. Now I have that trait down pat. She is the reason I learned to use idioms, catch phrases, and other tricks like stuttering and other personality keying factors to make the character personalities clear through the way they spoke to each other. I can assure everyone she is worth listening to when she does tackle a project. After all, I'm pig headed and she tackled me and won me over. ROFL. Frankly, this is the first time she has reviewed any of my work without growling that she should have known which character was talking without the proverbial Character 1 said and Character 2 replied tags.

That is an excellent way to describe them. ROFL. I have to remember your description of the poor plagued souls coerced into reviewing because it is funny.

Thanks for the input everyone. Demongodess, I checked out the FAQ link, and put it in my important links book mark in case I forget anything I read. I'll get everything figured out shortly. Thanks for the extra Tip Danny, I switched to Firefox a month ago. I am still figuring that out also. I will get there eventually. Snicking@myself on this one.

Great! I appreciate the helpful tips. It was making me a bit crazy that I could not easily post reviews. I'll see if I can figure out where the sound button is located on that dratted recaptcha box. If I can get that working then my troubles are solved when my eyes don't want to work. Thanks so very much.

Hi all. Seems like a lot of folks get upset when it comes to reviews, or rather lacking in receiving them. I've done my best to give feed back to the other writers in the Initial D section I'm adding tales to, but due to having vision problems, I can't always read the stupid captcha to actively leave a review I have typed up. If I can't get something clear enough to make sense of, the review won't take. Could this be one of the biggest reasons for the lack of reviews everyone seems to have? Once I get frustrated enough I give up. I use the control + symbol a lot from my Firefox browser to increase the stories to an easier readable size. However, Captcha does not get bigger when I try that trick to leave a review. I know it has frustrated me personally. I wonder if other older people who love to read a lot are having a similar problem to me. Us granny types can't help having bad eyes. When possible I leave reviews qhen one of the kids are around to tell me the captcha so I can go back and leave a review whenever possible. My series of completed stories are going into a very small archive that only has two pages worth of stories which I am doing my level best to turn into 3 pages by loading a fully revised copy of all my completed stories from another site. I know I have had lots of trouble leaving reviews when I can't always get a captcha I can read and type in, so I don't actively expect many reviews. I look at the hit counts and use that to measure whether people are enjoying the story. All I can say is I wish there was some kind of chapter break down for the hit counts so I'd know whether the story is read through to the end or not. I think if I had a way to tell if a story gets read all the way through, it means people like it. IF it is not, then I know it has flaws. If it has flaws, I'll need to look for an editor of sorts. IS there something in the works that might address that kind of ego booster?

I am aware of your well backed feeling on this, Porkchop. However, I wish to make a concrete point on this anti religion variety blanket argument: All the most blood thirsty religions to have ever existed all sprang from one specific geological region of the world. By the time I was nine years old I understood the Middle East has always been, and shall always be overflowing with extremely violent people who more or less still choose to live in the proverbial Dark Ages such as we saw during Europe's Burning times, and Crusades. Christianity if also founded on older religions from The Middle East. Hence it gets lumped into the same bloody history program because it is a revised continuation of the more blood thirsty ways of the predecessors. I request that you not put those of us who do not share the same blood lust history into your blanket views of all branches of religion. All you have cited is the Middle East religions, and I for one do not subscribe to their views one iota. Those who follow "war" gods alone should be placed in this little blind box of violent religions with a known history of committing mass murder in the names of their blood thirsty God(s). Allah and Jehovah as Judaic Christian God is often called are both known "War" Gods. There also exist religions which are historically peaceful, and therefore should not be lumped into the same blanket universe of being violent for their daring to exist. Many shamanic faiths had zero bloody history before Middle East influenced religious nut jobs put them to the sword so to say. All the slaughter I can think of off the top of my own head has been done in the name of "demonic possession cleansing" by the antiquated ancestors of the "True Faith." Such insanity has repeatedly been cited as justification for Middle East religions' zealot frenzy that leads to committing mass murder. Shamanic ecstatic faiths do not have anything to do with gratuitous killing and consider it a deadly sin. The paraphrased law that is unshakable: "Only kill in order to insure your own survival within the balance of the area you live within at any given time because we do have to eat." That law automatically includes people, plants, and animals. Nothing exists to perpetrate wholesale slaughter against for any reason. It can unbalance the world harmonic that keeps life going being the most obvious reason for following such an iron clad law. Do not waste a damned thing about an animal you kill, or a plant you rip from the ground is a matter of disciplining ones self as a matter of decency. Use it all, or leave it alone to exist is an unshakable law in non violent religions. Such faiths believe we are part of the food chain, not the arrogant lord over it all with the right to do as we please to everything else. Science buffs, and Religion nuts alike need to learn their appropriate places and stop trying to pigeon hole each other as stupid or whatever other flavor each chooses to spout from day to day. I believe in both having a valid place within this world. Society has religious moral codes and ethics built into its structural underpinnings to prevent certain unsavory behaviors in many parts of the world. Beautiful cultures have evolved thanks to both religious and scientific branches working together in a harmonic way within our world's past. The Middle East specific religions have done much to damage the reputation of all religions of this world, and I do know this and understand your views. However, there are over one thousand religions in this world that have nothing to do with the Middle East, nor adhere to any such violent natures also. They are based on living within our literal means, and trying to uphold harmony with others. Are such religions perfect? Of course not. Each religion is only as good as the followers of the faith they feel gives them the best lifestyle model they can live within and make a positive impact upon their surroundings. I have studied many religions in my lifetime and can only speak from my own life experiences. There are good frameworks and bad frame works in religion the same as within science. Both can be abused by the unethical and power mad.

Clapping my hands on this post. I think you meant Neanderthal in that comment. Humans made the written records in many religions and have elevated ourselves within the context that we mirror God(dess), a thought I do not prescribe to since that is the height of ludicrous. There are those people in all religions who commit atrocity on a massive scale, however, they are usually the minority. On the mention in another post about Greek Mythology; it is also a Bible, however the domination of Judaic Christian religion refuses to allow any other holy writing the same grandiose validity as their own. IF the rest of the holy writings are only mythology, then so to is the Bible is my final answer to that specific can of worms. The tendency of those who want to become trillion dollar rich, such as the yearly offerings the Catholic Church rakes in gives proof that Scripture is too often taken out of context and abused for financial gain instead of used as it was originally intended. I come from a religious background and know that there are plenty of people who use it as a tool to control others which is something the Deities forbid unilaterally in every religion I have ever studied. Having said my peace on the abuse spectrum of religion, I do not believe that science and Religion are so far apart on some things. Both have a rigorous discipline oriented structure system that can, once incorporated into one's daily life, provide good structures worthy of living by to promote personal stability. In this, both disciplines are not so far off in their core intention. As to whether or not exists God: Belief is personal and should remain in that classification is my feeling. The Atheist is devoted to debunking most religions and does not bother to look at how religion has played such a huge role in promoting effective structures for living a harmonic life with the atmospheric/World at large stimuli surrounding each and every individual. Of course, plenty of people proclaim religion who refuse to live within the structure of the original religious discipline. When that happens, they are not actively following their religion, but practicing abuse in the name of faith which smacks of falsehood. When the Atheist becomes as hide bound as the minority flake variety zealot butcher ready Militant Islamic, Muslim, or Christian, then they have indeed crossed into a type of religious zeal also. That is my opinion based upon this specific criteria: When anything gets too much obsessive compulsive zealot fever, it becomes destructive. Whether it is a religion based view, or a scientific experimentation advocate arguing their case ceases to matter. A line has been crossed where the Science buffs degrade others for having a belief not agreeable to their own I have found. Then they act and speak as viciously in many cases as the bible thumpers hell bent on converting another to their way of thinking. On facebook alone I see dozens of Atheist sites that do this regularly. It is not about scientific debate, it is outright attack. Even though I understand it comes from the overwhelming number of Zealot convert to my Religion or be called demonic, it still applies that some on both sides need to shut up and keep their insanity to themselves. Not saying such to offend anyone, but I do feel it should be pointed out that both sides tend to get out of control on this specific subject. Quantum Theory and mechanics conduction experiments on atomic particle observation are actively proving religion specific theories that close to 300 very ancient shamanic class religions have believed for thousands of years. Yet priests by whatever title over all those millennium never thought to do scientific experiments to prove that God did or did not exist. That is one of the biggest quandaries I have with this whole debate. A handful of persons have for thousands of years been able to do unexplained things based upon a set of very deep seated and learned disciplines that have no supposed scientific measuring capabilities at this time. Some religion oriented individuals are spouting that this specific group of scientists are stumbling upon the concrete evidence that has been purposefully hidden within several oral traditions for thousands of years. Perhaps in a few more decades science will find the final answers to the riddle of whether God(dess) or ghosts and a host of long held religious beliefs actually exist. IS Quantum theory and Mechanics going to ultimately give the world irrefutable proof that ecstatic branch faiths have been exonerated in the theory of God(dess) existing? I have my personal opinion on that, but it is very provocative for both sides of this particular debate has been my experience. On a final note: I understand the huge atomic accelerator in Europe has given Scientists reason to believe they are finding what they call the "God Particle." Since the Atomic accelerator is based upon Quantum sciences, perhaps it will answer the question once and for all in a few decades. In the meantime, I will cling to the disciplines of my particular faith and enjoy reading on about this never ending war between religion and Science. I also look forward to he day when both realize they both have a role in the evolution of human civilization and need to respect each other equally to promote peaceful solutions to the genuine troubles within our planet's confined sphere of existence.