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I wrote this several years ago on LJ. *amuses herself way too much* I thought it might be helpful for people worried about writing a Sue or anyone who just wants a little chuckle. How to be a Mary Sue by Jezebel Haddo Have you always wanted to write a Mary Sue character but weren't sure how? Now you can with these 15 easy steps! 1. Prattle endlessly about their hair - Hair is the most important aspect of a person. How can we understand a character if we don't know every minute detail about their hairstyle? 2. Give your character at least two nicknames. It makes them seem more interesting that way. 3. They should be drop-dead sexy. Even if they have traits that are not commonly thought of as sexy, they should have multiple people falling in love with them for no good reason. Only evil and/ or stupid characters should be ugly and/ or fat. Cool characters should be gorgeous or at least ruggedly handsome. 4. Don't waste time developing their personality. All you need to write is that they're a cute, smart, sassy, fun-loving, badass rebel who's good at everything and is popular with the in-crowd. That makes it true to life. 5. Don't give them discernible flaws. Your character will be much cooler if they come across as more god than human. 6. Put an emphasis on music, sports, and dating. The best characters are always listening to hip rock bands, are their team's MVP, and have lots of people falling for them (though they only date equally cool people). That's what life is all about! 7. The rules of any established universe should bend for your character's awesomeness. If anyone complains, they're jealous. Laws and consequences are for losers. 8. Why not make your character a twin? Twins are really common! Every twin has at least one twin. 9. Your character has the right to treat everyone else like scum and still have said scum love and worship them. Hey, how can anyone not love their coolness? 10. If it's a girl, make her super-skinny, yet super-buxom. What's the point of having a nice rack and an incredible arse if she isn't thirty pounds underweight? And we all know that's how most girls are built. If it's a boy, he must be ripped, with a six-pack stomach and bulging biceps, but he's not too muscular, of course. 11. Employ a deus ex machina whenever possible. It's the fun way to solve problems. 12. Make blanket statements with nothing to back them up. If you say your character is friendly, I'll take your word for it, even if they never do anything to show that they're friendly. 13. Oxymorons, stereotypes, and anachronisms are your friends. Just because your character goes to Hogwarts doesn't mean they can't be immersed in Muggle pop culture. A Chinese character doesn't have to be at all Chinese as long as they're named Lee or Wong and they like egg rolls. And just because grunge rock came about in the 90's, doesn't mean someone in the 70's couldn't be listening to it. 14. It's okay to give your character rare abilities, famous relatives/friends/lovers, and a high profile job. While you're at it, why not several of each? 15. Make sure they've experienced lots of trauma, but don't bother showing them actually being affected by it. You don't want the character's coolness being watered down by things like human psychology. Emotions are only good for eliciting sympathy. As long as the character whines about the bad stuff, it will seem authentic.

Quite a lively debate going on here. Some of it on topic and some off topic. I believe that Adultfanfiction net is about the freedom of expression first and foremost. I think I will use an illustration or two to tackle this specific topic. Three things stand out about this forum. Everyone loves to voice their own likes and dislikes. Some here seem to wish to see their dislikes removed. I took psychology courses back in the age of dinosaurs. (for those in the 20's age range to understand this is coming for your mom's peer age) Back in the era of T-Rex, learning a lot about history's significance on modern cultures etc was mandatory. Here's the rub, . . . Let's look at the end of World War One; Germany. The rise of Political Correct politeness was being government enforced through legislation. PC Nazi ethics have been directly linked to the creation of Concentration Camps and Jewish genocide during World War Two. That is a well documented historical fact, not a fictitious wishful thinking statement. When we embrace Political Correctness, we are censoring freedom of speech. To be PC, you have to censor yourself. The more afraid you are to speak your truth, the easier it is for the government to control you and your friends in the end. IT is the beginning of a shift toward victimization prone thin skinned individuals who refuse to try and improve their lives because P.C. has historically made others into villains instead of teaching personal self responsibility. Go to China and check out their lifestyle. P.C. is a law nobody dares argue. In fact for those too young to recall China's Tienanmen Square, crack your history books and learn how abusive Government becomes once it silences free speech. Learn the truth about Political Correctness and how it removes responsibility from the individual who often is already too lazy to stand up and raise their own children and worse. Free speech, even that which is rude, or infantile, gives human beings their number one emotional venting system. Remove the venting system, and the human being begins an unstoppable slow simmering emotional boiling of resentments. It has turned into genocidal tendencies at it's worst breaching points that humanity can never deny. Shut down the venting system, and the steam backs up. Ever heard of a steam engine? That is how emotions eventually work in a sense. Forcing steam to build to set levels of pressure to make a train that weighs several tons to move forward at very fast speeds is the same as forcing people to keep their resentments and fancies to themselves. Just like the steam engine will self destruct if the steam is not vented correctly, so will the individual's emotions blow up after P.C. fears can no longer restrain the pressure of resentments. This site has many diverse written formats for a reason. It is a venting system that can prevent the pressure build up from turning into destructive reality. Whether Cathartic or to simply needle those with holier than thou agendas, it has a place that should be respected by all. Removing topics that are uncomfortable for a set group is about breaking down the ability to vent emotions positive or negative that need a place to go. Shut off any taboo form writing and those who read and write them have less pressure release options to slow the explosion rate is my very well educated theory. Don't like the content? How about trying the do not read it rule? Allow those who need to vent such ideals room to contain their emotions through a non violent format. Those who act on such pressurized emotions are a different beast entirely. They require damage control measures because those are perpetrating harmful or even exceedingly violent crimes. If this site can help prevent even one such violent explosion by giving a person a place to write it out, or read it, kudos and congrats. It worked to relieve the building emotional pressure in an individual somewhere. Otherwise that individual backed into a pressurized emotional corner would have committed an atrocity.

Somewhat Rant Oriented thoughts, so feel free to answer or ignore. I have many people to answer with this post. Complicated topics always take time to untangle also so please bear with me if you do read this thought provoking post. After reading all three pages of this topic, I must say there is a plethora of concepts getting touched upon. What homophobia is, and the way it is diversified is the core problem in coping with the subject matter. Many people lump too many variables into the definition without forethought. Homosexuality is an irrational fear of same sex male relationships as I understand the concept. Yet, as a whole, there is a massive double standard involved. Much of it is religious dogma based and smacks of the Organized religious sector's need to brainwash those too lazy to crack their own bibles and read them cover to cover so they get the inconsistencies of their own religions. Evangelical bible thumping variety Christianity tends to be the biggest hypocritical forum of this bad habit. They pick and choose forums to preach as their only truth from the Bible and rarely even know the full spectrum I have found. Those alone are the brainwashed variety, so I am not bashing the whole spectrum, just the moronic types who make the rest of us miserable by preaching we're all condemned to hell. I believe God himself said "Judge not lest thou shalt surely be Judged". Would this classify as automatic certainty that those hypocrites will never make it to heaven since they love to judge others which willfully breaks God's own reserved laws? My youngest son, 21 years old, is bisexual. Due to his torment, I began writing yaoi, or homoerotic fan fiction to help him come to terms with his sexuality. Since he is too shy to sit down and talk about things openly, I put up fanfiction that he reads when he is at a friend's house. It helps him without forcing him into any corners. He recently thanked me for my insight to his specific uncomfortable problem. (His words, not mine) Because my younger son is a bisexual, he feels he is inferior thanks to the ignorant, and brainwashed element within our society. How does a mother with children age ranged later twenties down to recently turned drinking age cope with such a gentle, yet deeply conflicted soul? I've had to walk a few miles within my suffering son's shoes! I never gave any thought to what is or is not homophobic before my youngest hit puberty and almost had a full blown mental breakdown over his multiple faceted conflicting sexuality. In spite of his homophobic and vicious Father, my son has found stabilizing ground because I accept, and still love him regardless of who he chooses to settle with when the time is right for him. My Point: The Bible is frequently invoked by those who hate same sex male relationships. Even here I saw such points made as if to validate those who practice blind hatred. The Jewish laws spoken of were squarely based in Hygiene Safety measures. It is called the Kosher Laws for a reason. Kosher more or less should be equated with cleanness or Hygiene measures to promote longevity in an unhygienic place. I have read them over and do understand the underpinnings very well. All of those laws are about preventing everything from food poisoning (hence the different cooking pots for different things like meat and vegetable) to premature sickness induced deaths of other scope. Before soap and water, gay sex led to premature death because they did not have modern plumbing etc. However, we have evolved to a point that we have these wonderfully designed bathrooms and plumbing so that specific fear of death rarely holds valid meaning in our modern era. Soap and water work very well to promote good hygiene which makes that part of an irrational fear of being around a gay person idiotic. Condoms prevent scat related illnesses, and STD problems. As to staying clean, Soap is that oh so ingenious evolution since the Old Testament was written to preserve the Kosher laws of the Jewish people who did not have baths, nor soap, nor condoms to keep their bodies clean so they would not get sick. Historically there were "pro same sex" religions, mostly found in ancient "Gentile" nations before the overwhelming spread of, at the time excessively militant, Christianity. Reason for mentioning this; those religions that accepted same sex relationships believed that their God(s) had exempted the gay or lesbian from breeding duties to fulfill a vital role somewhere else within their community. Such religions thought parenthood would stifle the important roles such gays and lesbians were meant to fulfill for the whole community's benefit. Most people blindly clump over 300 faiths into the category of (Neo or classic) Pagan/Wicca. However, these faiths are very diverse. This systemic lumping of religions is another form of the hypocrisy disease that has infected so much of the human race. My point is this: Religious organizations should be the ones who determine who can and can not get "Married" as it were. If a religion has Government Tax exemption, then the government should grant those "married" under any "Christian" "Muslim" "Jewish" "Buddhist" "Pagan" (and into infinity) church that has exemption status identical legal rights. IF the Church has legal stats, it is only fair to treat all separation of Church and State rules equally. That means validating all heterosexuals, homosexuals, and lesbian couples married under the different recognized religious churches without drawing lines in red tape. If a church believes in same sex couples, then the government that gave it exemption stats ought to recognize all the couples who get married there without making any specialized exceptions. Next Thread topic: As to men who are terrified of getting attacked by other men, . . . I've known three during my longish life. The underlying problem with 2 was that they were actually bisexuals afraid they would convert to gay if they allowed the opportunity to arise so knee jerk hated all gays as a self defense mechanism. Their greatest fear was being alienated by their peers and family if they stumbled. The fear of being isolated plays a fairly strong role in many gay basher's actions. They are prayed upon by an often irrational fear of abandonment by their longest standing friends, and/or family is one thing I have discovered over several decades. My bisexual son is hated by his homophobic father. Never mind that the homophobic father is a "closet gay" terrified of facing his honest sexuality because his mommy and buddies might dump him for daring to step out of line with the group mentality. Daddy can't tolerate the notion of being reviled by his rather brainwashed buddies. Shedding light on the double standards involved in this specific phobia and prejudice realm is such a huge underlying problem. How can anyone define genuine Homophobia from Hypocrisy and Prejudice in this day and age? I have met several men in the last thirty some odd years whom are extremely violent haters of same gender male relationships. Here's the Kicker; those same men insisted on anal sex with girlfriends or wives! Who has guts enough to explain that irrational, inconsistent hypocrisy within this forum?! These are men whom cop out with "it's a woman so it is therefore fine to do it to her whether she wants it or not." Some of these same men have been known to rape gay men in brutal ways to prove themselves superior in their own minds. I was pleased to see one go to jail for his twisted logic that raping another man who was gay was a richly deserved punishment. HE went so far as to justify his actions with the Bible no less. I divorced such a "Woman hater" man eighteen years ago. Excuse me, sticking your dick into someone's butt is the same no matter which gender you happen to be banging. Stop attempting to rationalize doing the very thing you have condemned in others who decide that they like the anal deal.That is the height of hypocritical bull, and I think it should be revealed as such. Also, we have the straight man who adores watching lesbian Pornography. Still happens to be same sex, only it is condoned because the hetero leaning man gets his nut bust. Far as I'm concerned, that equals another double standard that should not exist. Men can enjoy masturbating to girl on girl, but women are not supposed to masturbate to guy on guy is another double standard hypocrisy I am sick of seeing. I abhor such behavior. Hypocrisy is my biggest pet peeve in case anyone missed that. IF a person is uncomfortable or turned off by gay sex, that should be fine. I'm not into BDSM, and find pain a huge turn off. Does that make me BDSM phobic? Not at all. It means I do not like pain, so refrain from placing myself into a painful relationship. It does not make a person a hypocrite if they are turned off by same sex ideals, nor does it make them homophobic. When people screech that nonsense, they cross into the hypocritical zone. If you do not want to watch a stupid movie, then don't watch it. I watched part of Brokeback Mountain and thought it among the most dull things I had ever seen. Then again, I though the same of Twilight number one. Could no more finish watching that movie than Brokeback Mountain. Torturing others to prove yourself superior is wrong, Immoral, and tyrannical. People are diverse in their thoughts, feelings, sexual orientation, and cultural heritage. Intolerance is the ultimate communicable disease. IT is found everywhere, and it is the only thing that genuinely needs to be eradicated from the world! Homophobia, and all other forms of group hatred are Intolerance disease masked with polite little tags such as Alternate Universe in fan fictional writing. I apologize that this is so long, but like Mary Sue/Gary Stu, Homophobia is one of those topics I have been studying for some time and have formed a very strong opinion about due to all the stupidity so many spout in it's defense.

Lol, I guess I am a little loose when it comes to reviews. I have noticed on AFF that people don't review very often, and when they do I am always relieved and so overjoyed that I don't really register what they say >_< A review is a review I feel. You can't expect more from it. It's the reviewers emotions and feeling poured into a long or short comment and you can't really want to kick them in the guts for it. I have never gotten the idea that they don't read the story. If anyone reviews a story of mine I appreciate it to the full because when you think about it not alot of people actually go through the effort to review. Most just read, enjoy the story check for updates and that's that. Out of 810 hits on my one story I've got three reviews. Which tells me the staggering ratio of view per review. I personally read between ten to fifteen stories a day, and I review once every two weeks. So if I do review it means I really did enjoy the story. So I honestly don't think we should get angry abou this just the fact that they take the time to do so says a lot about how much they enjoyed it, no matter how insignifcant or silly the 'review' or comment is They thought you worthy of it, and I always feel a little flattered when they do

I posted two in depth development tools to prevent Mary Sue/Gary Stu Original characters from forming. It is the main character development heading of these forums. Since someone mentioned an interest the two long posts got made. Hope they help everyone who wonders if they have a Stu/Sue character on their hands. Character Development sheets To beat Sue/Stu Problems is where the cribs are located. I really hope they help everyone who is interested in them.

Worksheet Number 2 is a psychology heavy profiling tool to understand the Character's Motivations and responses. If you still come with a Mary Sue/Gary Stu after doing this worksheet, then it is a chronic disease on the reader's end of the spectrum that makes the Sue/Stu accusation. Sorry these posts are so long, but these are fairly in-depth tools. WORKSHEET # 2 3-D CHARACTERIZATION SHEET: Traits and Personality section Attitude toward Animals (Pets, horses, etc): What does this Character care about most?" What does (S)he carry with her/him the most? (EX; Memento/jewelry/money?: This section defines expected, or unexpected, deeper personality factors and Quirks. These questions help determine critical points of character depth. Psycho Analysis of Character Introvert/Extrovert section: 1) Would character prefer to work behind the scenes to promote change, or be in the lime light as a community leader that gets all the credit? Is this Character a Leader, Follower, or a dropout whenever things get difficult? 2) Does this character feel that many occupations do more harm to the population than Good? 3) Which is more important in leaders? To be tolerant and encouraging, or discriminating about the roles people should maintain for the public's good? 4) If character had the choice to work as a receptionist, or be their own boss which would character choose? 5) Does this character feel that a doctor should put personal feelings aside while determining the treatment of patients, or should feelings be one of his/her main guides in developing treatments? 6) Does character find it easy or difficult to adapt their behaviors according to the specific company they are in? 7) If this character went on vacation would they prefer to spend most of their time alone, or going out to meet new people? 8) Would becoming a hermit come easily to this character or be very difficult? 9) Would this character prefer to marry someone who is thoughtful, or very sociable? 10) Are most people likely to be trustworthy or untrustworthy to this character? 11) Would this character like, or dislike to throw parties/coordinate social gatherings? 12) Would this character prefer to do things involving travel, or working in an enclosed environment? 13) Would you describe this character as an optimist, or a pessimist? 14) Does this character enjoy big noisy gatherings/parties/social occasions or not? 15) would this character find it easy or difficult to make a public speech? 16) is this character quick or slow to make a witty reply during most conversations? 17) would you describe this character as being full of energy or predominately lethargic? Emotional Stability section: 18) Has this character ever walked in his/her sleep that they are aware of? 19) Does this person take more sick days off, or never gets sick days, compared to others in their work setting? 20) Does this character get confused if interrupted while working on a project or not? 21) Does this character exercise hard every day, or tend to be laid back? 22) When this character learns a new skill does he/she feel confident of mastering it, or not? 23) Does this character get irritated by trivial problems, or does the character brush them off? 24) Does this character agonize for hours over felt humiliations, or do they brush it off as a learning experience and move forward? 25) Would other characters regard this character as a sensitive person, or not? 26) Does this character fall asleep easily and sleep well through the night, or are they an insomniac? 27) Would other characters consider this person shy or outgoing? 28) Does this character feel deeply disturbed if a friend does not greet them, or not? 29)Does this character feel happy or sad without any discernible cause? 30) does this character find themselves daydreaming when they should be working, or not? 31)Does this character have a habit of nightmare dreams or pleasant? 32) Does this character have a fear of heights, tunnels, or going outside? 33) Does this character believe him/her self to be an emotional or rational person in everyday life situations? 34) How do other characters perceive this person during every day living situations? Emotional or rational? 35) Does this character frequently worry about their health or not? 36) can this character recall specifics of having annoyed others during the past year, or do they not care to recall any such transgressions made? 37) does this character perspire a lot even though they have not exercised heavily enough to warrant the perspiration? 38) Does this character's mind go blank in the middle of doing a job? 39) Has this character met three or more people that they felt were unfriendly toward them within a short amount of time over the previous year? 40) Has this character had shortness of breath unrelated to exercise strain? (Psychological anxiety Que) 41) Is this character tolerant of other people's idiosyncrasies or not? 42) Is this character normally self confident, or not? 43) Does this character believe they can or cannot manage the situations of life as easily as other people? 44) Does this character get headaches, sour stomach, chest pains, and other symptoms of stress once a month or more? Mental Strength or Submissiveness Factors: 45) Does this character prefer their life to be full of change or static and unchanging? 46) Is this character ambitious? 47) Does this character hide their true motives from others when doing things or allow others to know their feelings? 48) Would this character rather dream about success, or work hard to gain concrete success? 49) Would this character rather be a coward that stayed alive or the dead heroic figure? 50) Which would upset this character the most; Hearing about a friend's illness or losing a material possession? 51) Does this character seek to get their own way without regard for others feelings when pursuing their objective? 52) Does this character feel/pursue vengeance if another character hurts them? 53) Would this character worry about work if they were on a vacation? 54) Does this character tend to compare their work/contributions to that of other characters? (Performance/Competition) 55) If this character gets into a heated discussion/debate, do they find it difficult to calm down and stop discussing the topic? 56) Would this character take a shortcut in their tasks to get the job done faster? 57) Is this character inclined to keep their goals set too low because of a fear of failing to produce a positive result? 58) If this character was called upon to witness an execution, would they be pleased or uneasy about the task? 59) In the above situation, would this character feel that the punishment was justified? 60) Is this character cool minded or hot headed when dealing with others? 61) Would this character prepare thoroughly before facing a situation? 62) Does this character tell white lies? 63) Does this character enjoy dancing? 64) Would this character be the type to enjoy traveling at 150 MPH or faster in a race car if they had the opportunity? 65) If confronted with another character obstructing their view of a play or similar situation, would this character ask the obstructing individual to give ground so that they could also continue to view the situation? 66) Does this character hold stronger opinions than most people? 67) Would this character prefer flattering others in order to improve their status in life, or would they choose hard work? 68) As a child, did this character always do as they were told., or rebel against parental authority somehow? 69) Did this character like to embark on dangerous adventures to push the limits of their abilities, or stay within expected childhood games? 70) Does this character place their achievements among the most important things in their life? Do they place people in this position? 71) Does this character work hard to get ahead? 72) Would this character be the type to walk on a moving escalator to get there faster, or would they quietly stand in place until they reached their level? 73) Would this character feel it was best not to respond to a rude person, or would they confront the rudeness? 74) Does this character prefer even temperature climates, or fluctuating temperatures? 75) would this character ask someone to stop doing something they disapprove of or feel uncomfortable about being around? 76) To this character which is more important, Love or success? 77) If this character witnessed someone cutting into a line before them, would they allow the rude transgression, or confront the offender? 78) If this character were put on some kind of committee, would they be in charge, or in another role? 79) If this character disapproved of their friend's behaviors would they remain silent or make the friend aware of their feelings about the behavior? 80) Would this character try new innovations rather than stick to older tested methods if given the chance? 81) Would this character get so angry with another character they would shout at them over a perceived transgression, or try to find a solution in a calm and rational manner? 82) Does this character have a creative bent that they share with others freely to enrich their lives through color, form, or other methods? 83) Does this character see the world and all the things that happen within it is being black and white, gray scale, or color? 84) Would this character hesitate to go up to a stranger and ask a question? 85) Does this character crave excitement? 86) Does this character believe there are better reasons to get married than love? 87) Does this character targetr socialization toward individuals who can most help them? 88) Would this character consider mountain climbing too dangerous, or an interesting challenge? 89) Does this character tend to win people overt by telling them things they want to hear, or by their actions which demonstrate sincerity? 90) Does this character seek out a conspicuous place in a room, or seek to avoid notice from others? 91) Does this character know/care about the differences between right or wrong? 92) Does this character like to shock people? 94) Would this character be the type to think every man for themselves, or group cooperation is more important? 95) Is this character the type to take care of things today, rather than leave them for tomorrow or even later? 96) Does this character find another character's ignorance appalling, or treatable? 97) Does this character have a burning ambition to be of great importance within their community? 98) Does this character dislike foreigners, or try to strike up conversations so they can learn more about this other way of living? 99) Would this character advocate force to stop a crime when necessary? 100) Is this character fond of rougher, physical activities such as wrestling, football, and other rowdy sports? 101) Can this character work while listening to others, or must they do one or the other activity? 102) Is this character inclined to be lazy, or very active? 103) Did this character mold their behaviors after someone they know and respect? 104) Does this character take excessive pride in their work? 105) Can this character persuade other characters to do things their way by being eloquent? 106) Would this character think most people are good, or think people are hiding bad intentions most of the time? 107) Is this character a natural organizer, neat and tidy, or are they sloppy? 108) Does this character think before speaking, or let things spew from their lips without regard to others feelings? 109) Would this character believe that individuals with extreme views have the right to inflict their opinions upon others? 110) Does this character believe all religions are basically the same? 111) Does this character concentrate upon one great cause through their life? (Great causes are things like saving souls for God/Feeding the hungry) 112) Is this character willing to compromise with their opponents? 113) Does this character get annoyed when other characters refuse to admit that they are wrong? 114) Does this character enjoy being the center of group attention, or try to avoid attention whenever possible? 115) Does this character fear boredom or prefer it? 116) Is this character aware of the beauty surrounding them, or is everything viewed as a commodity to use? 117) Would this character feel that playing is more important than the winning of the game, or vice-versa? 118) Would this character criticize someone they felt was conceited? 119) Would this character go to a spouse swapping party? 120) Is this character often furious with other characters? 121) Is this character often drawn to unfortunate people? 122) Does this character state their opinions with vehemence? 123) Does this character hurt other people in order to get what they are after? 124) Does this character feel that pacifists are actually cowards? 125) Does this character believe it is best to always be honest, or do they tell white lies to protect other people's feelings when required? 126) Does this character try to understadn another character's view point when in conflict, or simply refuse to listen to the other side nad come up with an alternative that respects both sides of the conflict? 127) Is this character easily startled? 128) Does this character like top take orders or resent receiving them? 129) Does this character continue to argue even when they know they are wrong? 130) Will this character help someone in need without coercion, or self gain? 131) Is this character slow to trust people? 132) Does this character fear people in authority or resent their authority over their lives? 133) Does this character often think about falling in love? 134) Does this character believe there is much to be learned from other cultures? 135) Does this character find it difficult ot say no to others? 136) Can this character make up excuses to get out of doing something they do not want to do easily? 137) Does this character prefer a peaceful or a risk taking life? 138) Is this character easily swayed to jealousy of other people's successes? 139) Is this character inclined to active forms of protest against things they do not agree with? 140) Does this character blame someone else when things go wrong or accept responsibility for their part in creating the negative situation? 141) Would this character prefer to convert others to their religious views, or tolerate different faiths? 142) Does the sight of blood make this character queasy? IF so, what created the aversion? 143) Will this character tend to scold others when they do something offensivce? 144) Does this character surropund themselves with people who are unpredictable and non conformist? 145) Does this character fight for their rights, or give them up without struggles when in a confrontational situation? 146) Is this character always amiable around others? 147) Does this character grind their teeth when emotional? 148) Does this character frequently question their own beliefs and actions? 149) If the character knows they are right, do they argue with the opposing person, or walk away? 150) Does this character's sympathy lie with the underdogs, or the winners in any situation? 151) Does this character cry at times in private or public? 152) Is this character regarded by others as being too good natured? 153) Does this character have a sarcastic streak? 154) Is this character prone to cynical judgments of others? 155) In any argument, is this character firm an forthright with their opinions? 156) Does this character tend to change their mind frequently? 157) Does this character like jokes of all kinds, or only a few types? (Meaning practical jokes with physical components that could potentially hurt might be viewed as vulgar) 158) Is this character patient or impatient with people and situations? 159) Does this character prefer to get closely involved with people or keep their distance emotionally? 160) Does this character believe that it is most beneficial to a group's cohesion if everyone believes the same things, or is differences in opinion good for progression of the group's growth? 161) Is this character good at bluffing their way out of situations? 162) Is this character prone to forgive people who have wronged them, or hold grudges? 163) Does this character stick to their decisions long term? 164) Does this character wish to improve themselves? 165) Does this character pay attention to other people's view points during a discussion? 166) Does this character put their interests before others? 167) In a burglary scenario would the character shoot the burglar with or without hesitation to preserve their possessions? 168) Would this character believe that there is some referential truth to everyone's views, or only in a set of criteria that can be proven through analytical means? 169) Does this character prefer to agree instead of argue for their beliefs? 170) Is this character prone to repeating themselves? 171) Is this character the type to stamp their foot or shake a fist when angry? 172) If given the opportunity would this character participate in an orgy? 173) Does this character stand up for themselves? 174) Does this character feel comfortable singing around others? 175) Does this character tend to get pushed around despite trying to stand up for themselves? 176) Does this character prefer to listen to their internalized intuition, or wait for concrete actions to guide their judgments?

I am doing a bit of condensing to take up less space. Here is the first worksheet. Feel free to copy it and use it all you want. I got it free from a pro writing site, and have used it for over a decade personally. Character Developing Worksheet NAME: RACE: GENDER: CITY OF BIRTH: STATE: COUNTY: COUNTRY: BIRTH DATE: CURRENT AGE: NICK NAMES: PHYSICAL STATISTICS HEIGHT: WEIGHT: BODY TYPE: NECK: SHOULDERS: ARMS: HANDS: BREASTS/CHEST: BELLY & WAIST: LEGS & HIPS: VOICE: FACE & EYES: HAIR COLOR & STYLE: Habitual Expressions: PERCEIVED PHYSICAL IMPERFECTIONS MINIMUM OF 3 DISTINGUISHING FEATURES/ MINIMUM OF 3: CLOTHING STYLES & FAVORITE OUTFITS; MINIMUM OF 3: Favorite Colors: Taste in Jewelry: This is a psychoanalytical tool. This focuses mainstream values and character behaviors. This is the inner world workings of characters that evoke emotional responses to each situation. Language Spoken: Political Affiliations: Social Class: Family: Father's Name: Profession: Living or dead? If dead, how did he die?: Mother's name: Profession: Living or dead? If dead how did she die?: Are parents happily married, or divorced where applicable?: # of Brothers: Names: # of Sisters: Names: Description of family escutcheon (Coat of Arms) where applicable: Interesting information regarding family (Idiosyncrasies/historical significant background such as starting a company that was successful/ war hero ancestors/Scientific innovators etc.): Marriage to whom and when.: Number of children, ages, and names if any: Character's relationship with family: Thoughts and feelings about their family: CHARACTER LINEAGE: 3 GENERATIONS MINIMAL CREATE FAMILY BACKGROUND FOR CHARACTER'S RELATIVES; INCLUDE HISTORY, OCCUPATIONS, ETC WHERE APPROPRIATE. PERSONALITY TYPE: CHARACTERISTIC GESTURES (Habitual Mannerisms are Actions that are somewhat compulsive to emotional cues) Name 4 minumum: RELIGION; WHERE APPLICABLE: GENERAL PERSONALITY TYPE: INTROVERT? EXTROVERT? QUIRKS Name 3 or more: ECCENTRICITIES/ MINIMUM OF 3: TEMPERAMENT: Emotional Level (i.e. Cries at the drop of a hat/ angry at the drop of a hat): SENSE OF HUMOR: METHOD OF HANDLING ANGER/RAGE: ADMIRABLE TRAITS; MINIMUM OF 4: NEGATIVE TRAITS= MINIMUM OF 2 preferable to have 3 or more: BAD HABITS/VICES List MINIMUM OF 4: PREJUDICES = MINIMUM OF 2: PET PEEVES/GRIPES MINIMUM OF 4: FAVORITE PET SAYINGS, WORDS/IDIOLECT MINIMUM OF 5: SPEAKING STYLES; TALKATIVE, TACITURN, SOFT/LOUD ETC... PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE: TYPE AND # OF CLOSE FRIENDS MINIMUM OF 2: BEST FRIEND: OTHER FRIENDS MINIMUM OF 6: What do friends and neighbors really think of him/her?: What does (S)he value most in his/her friends?: Who are his/her worst enemies and why?: THINGS THAT MAKE UNCOMFORTABLE/ EMBARRASS = MINIMUM OF 4: MOST PAINFUL THINGS IN LIFE MINIMUM OF 2: TRAUMAS/PSYCHOLOGICAL SCARS FROM PAST MINIMUM OF 3: MOST CRUCIAL EXPERIENCE(S) THAT HELPED SHAPE PERSONALITY/ATTITUDES MINIMUM OF 1: FEARS MINIMUM OF 2: PHOBIAS: WHERE APPLICABLE MANIAS: WHERE APPLICABLE PHYSICAL ILLNESSES/AFFLICTIONS: WHERE APPLICABLE MENTAL DISTURBANCES: WHERE APPLICABLE HOBBIES: Hobbies or Past times, MINIMUM OF 3(Can these activities show characterization or influence story?): INTERESTS: (Not Romantic) MINIMUM OF 2 SPORTS: FAVORITE SHOWS MINIMUM OF 2: FAVORITE MOVIES: FAVORITE TRAVEL DESTINATIONS: PETS: DIET; RICH OR LOW CHOLESTEROL/FAT?: FAVORITE MEAL: Favorite Non Alcoholic Drinks: FAVORITE RESTAURANT/ETHNIC FOODS: A: Restaurant: B:Ethnic Foods: DRINKS ALCOHOL? : HOW OFTEN? WHAT IS FAVORITE ALCOHOLIC DRINK?: FAVORITE BOOKS: FAVORITE SONGS IF APPLICABLE?: OPINIONS SECTION OPINION ON ABORTION (As Example): OPINION ON BIRTH CONTROL: OPINION ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES: OPINION ON MILITARY INTERVENTION: OPINION ON PROGRESS; SCIENTIFIC: MEDICAL: TECHNOLOGICAL: OPINION ON CRIME/WEAPONS CONTROL: OPINIONS PECULIAR TO CHARACTER MINIMUM OF 4: WHAT IS HIS/HER ATTITUDE TOWARD SMALL CHILDREN?: ATTITUDES ABOUT CHARITIES: LIVING SITUATION SECTION HOME; APARTMENT/CONDO, MANSION, CASTLE ETC.. LOW INCOME/EXPENSIVE, RENT OR OWN? NEIGHBORHOOD: DESCRIBE FURNISHINGS IN CHARACTERS HOME (COLORS AND MATERIALS): CITY BACKGROUND?: COUNTRY BACKGROUND?: TRANSPORTATION: OBEY LAWS: WHAT IS THE WORST CRIME (S)HE HAS EVER COMMITTED?: DRIVE FAST/SLOW INCOME: INCLUDES BREAKDOWN OF EXPENSES IF POSSIBLE: STOCKS/BONDS, INHERITANCE WHERE APPLICABLE. SEXUAL ATTITUDES SECTION TYPE OF MEN/WOMEN ATTRACTED TO OR PREFERRED: FAVORITE PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF OPPOSITE/SAME SEX: MINIMUM OF 2: ATTRIBUTES OF CHARACTER THAT ATTRACT OPPOSITE SEX: OPINION ON HOMOSEXUALITY: SEXUAL TURN ONS: SEXUAL TURNOFFS: SEXUAL ATTITUDES; PRUDE OR PROMISCUOUS: WOULD THIS CHARACTER PREFER ORDINARY SEX, OR SEEK MORE THRILLING GRATIFICATION? EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND IQ: YEARS OF SCHOOLING: POOREST PERFORMANCE SUBJECTS IN SCHOOL: FAVORITE SUBJECTS: MAJOR/MINOR STUDIES IN COLLEGE; IF APPLICABLE: DEGREES EARNED/AWARDED/ HONORARY: GRADES ACHIEVED: SPECIAL OCCUPATIONAL TRAINING WHERE APPLICABLE: SKILLS/ABILITIES/ & TALENTS: I left numbers because all O.C. characters need these to be realistic. 1 2 3 4 AREAS OF EXPERTISE: 1 2 3 CURRENT OCCUPATION: PREVIOUS OCCUPATIONS: 1 2 3 4 QUALITY OF WORK PERFORMED: HOURS WORKED PER WEEK: INCOME: REPUTATION WITH THOSE WORKED WITH: GUILDS BELONGED TO IF ANY:

Actually I was a published Writer and a Professional Editor through the 90's with a two page listing of Published Works added to my resume's credit. No valuable input explanations are given about my Female O.C., except the one person who ranted she did not act Native American enough because she is half blood Native American. Sounded like she felt Sam should be a clone of her, the reader. I'd say that is a perfect example of the rants I get. Not enough like me is the biggest underlying message in my Mary Sue bashing reviews. Therefore, I'm quite certain my supposed Sue is not a Sue. However, she was designed based upon a real high-level female FBI agent I knew a few years ago. I twisted Samantha's personality considerably so she's not completely like the real woman I drew off of to create the same kind of strong, willful, and highly obsessed with personal performance/honor personality. Nor is my Sue a good Girl, or particularly sweet. She speaks Japanese, but is sometimes snappy when a native or cannon Project D character does not speak slow enough that she can do mental translations. Samantha could not follow the Sue script if her life depended on it. She's way too violent to ever fit a Sue mold. I never state that she's pretty, only that she strikes the members of Project D as being very unusual. She's dressed in Neo-Vamp Gothic clothes and has tons of braids in her long hair when they first meet her. One reason for her design was to point out the horrific plethora of non mechanical know how stupidity that overwhelms the vast majority of Initial D fan fiction online at all sites. I know automotive upgrades and other things. Even her car reflects such know how. So I am pretty sure that it is a huge bunch of Bunk. Most of the readers are so incompetent in the mechanical aspect of writing Initial D they do not understand what they are reading or writing in the genre. Initial D is also the biggest offender in fanfiction to date with Sue/Stu characters who beat Project D and then conquer the rest of Japan. Worst of all, They always seem to be from America. I wrote this at first as a tongue in Cheek Hey morons, the impossible needs to be realistic. ROFL. However the demand to continue this saga has been rather pressing. Samantha Singing Wolf is a trained body guard who was in her introduction actively working for the American Embassy in Japan. Of all the expanding number of O.C. cast i have produced through 4 novel sized stories to date to play good guys and bad guys alike, Sam is the one all the morons want removed. My suspicions get firmer with each flaming Sue bash that it is her refusal to be a Sue that angers the readers.

Awesome way to learn characterization. I was into D&D years ago. Got me started with creating characters, and led to writing. I'm not a frequent back story O.C. writer. I prefer to throw my O.C. characters to the proverbial rabid wolves form line one. Brings out lots of flaws, and shows the subtle sicknesses so to say. Then again, I tend to write the psycho loner that thinks He/she has to save the world. My O.C. characters last only so long a necessary to carry off the plot requirement. Most of my characters tend to be somewhat psychotic with illusions of grandeur that make them easy enough to kill off as soon as they finish their job. I did enjoy your how to Mary Sue though. That made me smile. It usually is the oh so perfect that irritates everyone around. Then again, I've known an FBI lady my uncle worked with for several months who was damned near perfect. Took nearly four months to find a single flaw in that one. She was scary perfect. All I can say is that when I found out she had driven herself into a really huge emotional hole from the stress, she finally became human. It took her needing emergency surgery to put her damaged guts back together because she had so many bleeding ulcers for people around her to recognize that there is such a thing as an imposter of perfection. One thing I would love to see is the Cannon that sees and O.C. as perfect. Then show the O.C. away from the Cannon do something like bulimia fits or any kind of huge emotional crack up where the other characters can't see the supposed perfect one completely lose it. the O.C. resumes his or her spotlight on the stage with the cannons, and voila, you have seen how imperfect and fake the O.C. is pretending to be.

One of the classic GaryStu characters, and I will admit to loving him anyway, is Drizzt Do'urden. Salvatore is obviously living out a rich and marvelous fantasy life through his worthy drow, but the books are fun and I'm willing to suspend disbelief to enjoy the escapism. Twilight is just poorly written as well as having characters I just can't care about. Bella and Edward are largely one-dimensional, and were they characters in any of the gaming 'verses I enjoy, I'd be prodding the writers and devs mercilessly for subjecting us to such an onslaught of cardboard.

Poll: is there an point where you draw the lion as an writer? Well, I'm not very good at drawing, so I doubt I'd ever reach an point where I would draw an lion. Is that the point where you just want an carnivore to rip your writing to shreds because it totally sucks? Okay, maybe I'd draw it then. But I warn you, it would be an really bad drawing! Now, in regards to the topic being discussed: Drawing a line, saying, "This content shall not pass!" Writing. No. If it suits my purposes, I'll write anything. I don't care if people want to equate my writing with who I am. They'll never truly know me. So, pah! Whatever. Reading. I've pushed myself to read stuff that was a major squick but I took the time to evaluate why I felt that way and still came up with a review that, I felt, was not flamey. I feel I learned from the experience and realize that my personal boundaries need challenging. I won't restrict myself on the grounds that I may want to write controversial stuff in the future, if not currently, and learning about another's view is a stepping stone to expand my existence. Did that make sense? Eck. I think I got lost along the way. Shoulds and shouldn'ts. Debates are also eye-opening for some, just like exposure to non-conforming fiction. Others, however, just want to dictate their beliefs without consideration. A common saying I use, "shoulda, coulda, woulda", means that if I should have, and I could have, then I would have. But I say it with a shrug, because it doesn't mean that much to me to conform. Others may have a different take on the saying. I think my brain is fried cuz I can't follow my own thoughts. I just read through this thread from the beginning and I think I have a legitimate excuse for being off kilter. Plus I drank too much Dr. Pepper.

Do I have topics I will not write? Hm.... Explicitly, yes. Am I willing to mention most topics and how I feel about them in my writing, as shown through characters and their emotions? Yeah, I think I can safely say that. I come from a really open-minded family, where it concerns the blood relatives and adopted ones. This has influenced me quite a bit. I don't care about sexual preferences of any sort because if they're not doing sexual things with me, why should it impact me at all? Race doesn't matter to me, nor do culture or religion. Pedophiles are slightly different, but my views differ somewhat here from the legal perspective in the US. In the first place, I know there are places where the age of majority is 14. Secondly, there are, for example, celebrity marriages with 20 or more years between their ages, so if the minor is of age to be sexually active anyway (not 7-9, because I see that as the age of experimenting and that would be a gross abuse of authority over a child, but more...14-17, depending on how mature the kid is and if the family isn't trying to push the kid into it), then it seems hypocritical to me to call it pedophilia. If you go by US law, relationships with minors are borderline acceptable even with four years or less between them, unless both are minors. This being the case, why then would it not be pedophilia for anyone to be in a relationship with someone five years or more their junior? My parents are both in relationships with a 10 year age gap. This would make, in the one case, my dad's wife a pedophile. In the other, it would make my mom a pedophile. But they are all consenting adults (however much my dad's wife doesn't act like an adult toward me, which I don't understand as she's 36 years older than I am, but I guess that, just as some people never grow old at heart, some people never grow up in truth) and far be it from me to meddle. Mostly, I suppose I am saying, I think that if a person is mature enough to make adult decisions, mature enough that they could be emancipated, even if they aren't, then I don't see it as pedophilia. (This may also have something to do with my own somewhat precocious maturity, due to my being the older sibling and the way the families raised me. I'm not saying everyone has to see it that way, just that I do.) Scat play and similar things don't work for me, so I avoid them. I have an overly active imagination and a nose that's gotten rather picky after three sinus infections, in addition to my hereditary ear sensitivity. Nothing against anyone who likes it, I would just rather not read it myself. Bestiality doesn't bother me. This probably has to do with the fact that I like the animals I meet much more than I like the humans, on average. I don't mind that other people dislike bestiality. I'm sure there are things they like that I don't, too, and that's just a fact of life. Violence and gore...well, I grew up in a family of hunters, with two male cousins and then my younger twin brothers closest to me in age. I have a much different view of "violence" than most girls I know. I get told that I hit too hard when I'm giving a playful or friendly swat to a shoulder. And, what with the hunting, my usual reaction to guts is, "That smells. Let's get it out of sight soon, so the bears and scavengers don't wander too close." Do I think there is any content which is allowed here and should not be? No. I think this site is set up in a way that has created a haven for all of us whose needs don't quite fit in with modern society, wherever we live, and that trying to get even one thing banned would alienate those involved and make the rest of us oddballs, misfits and outcasts suddenly start wondering about whether we'd be banned next. It's Adult Fan Fiction for a reason, if not more than one. Minors in general have a bad tendency to flame and otherwise act immature, which makes me glad they're banned from here. Those of us allowed here for the most part mind our manners, keeping in mind that we haven't liked it when we've been banned, flamed, trolled, or spammed on other sites. To my mind, the simple fact that it's a kind of haven tells me, "It's okay to be and share who you are. Those who matter don't mind, and those who mind can just find something else to read. That's what we do here." And part of why it's a haven is this: the mods and admins respond quickly, use the same rules for everyone, and refuse to tolerate the kind of senseless, flamer-ridden arguments that now infest, for example, YouTube. So, no, I don't think there's anything that should be removed from this site that isn't already. I've never understood why anyone would read something they know they're not going to like anyway, same as I've never understood why people on YouTube go to videos or songs they know they're not going to enjoy, only to complain that the music, the genre, the artist, the person who posted the video, or the viewers as a whole are crap, are pathetic, are-- We all know the list goes on. It's why I'm thankful that such poor behavior is not allowed here. Isn't that kind of haven worth having to avoid the tags you don't like?

Thank you! Fucking thank you for that. A crime should be a crime regardless of who did what to whom. Yes it is libel to print an opinion that may not be true as if it were a fact or to print a lie as if it were the fact. Slander is its spoken equivilence. They exsist to protect people's reputations and memory from such acts. Which does nothing to fix the problem, only cover it with a thin veneer and say there. It's all better now. No, it's not. Ignoring the issue doesn't make it go away. Racism is a minor form of xenophobia and all groups suffer from it. To be honest, it's a double standard as well. If you are of a group that is seen as an "oppresive majority" you are expected to follow it. If you are from a minority you are not. If you are disabled you are not while a perfectly healthy person is. This doesn't work. Legislating politeness and any from of kindness isn't a government's job. It is to: 1. Make sure the country runs and doesn't go bankrupt 2. Provide for national defense 3. Resolve disputes between regions if they can't do it themselves 4. Deal with international trade agreements and disputes The fact is, the politeness isn't becoming second nature. It's a forced attitude that you have to conciously think about everytime you open your mouth. Even some of these "pc terms" are viewed as offensive to some groups. That's why is still a self-defeating thing. It fixes nothing, doesn't become second nature, and only makes others aware of the differences that could bother them but isn't supposed to. It's not just about speech, a majority of its proponents want to dictate it to the thought level as well. I believe a person's thoughts and opinions are their own, even if I personally believe they stink. Opinions and assholes after all. To be painfully honest, it's all the same at its core. People protesting and stating their beliefs. It doesn't matter what is being said, the actions and intent are the same. To have your views known and to try and provoke change. There are many types of protest to be sure, but they share this at their core. However, to back up wasn't addressed. Governments shouldn't be trust with the level of power to restrict such things because protests and opposition to them are usually some of the first things they gun after. No, I trust no corporate entity to not abuse power wether it be religious, governmental, or business. There are too many examples of such power being used to restrict what they don't want. Why should one group of people be more special and of more concern than another? No one deserves to be harassed and harassment is a crime that can be reported. No one is more special than anyone else. True equality is when everyone is treated the exact same in the eyes of the law, job requirements, and education. That person can be taken to task for harassing the other, although that doesn't mean he deserves less protection under the law than the others. For legal matters, I honestly believe the gender, race, and prefences should never even have to be put down period. Still, few people hold this view it seems. You may not like his works, he uses very sexual and depraved means of it at times to state things. It can be seen as glorifing it, but it was used to express libertine political, social, and religious views. He was imprisioned a few times for his writings. That is a problem that well... There's no real good answer to. I don't believe schools and government are the ones to do it. I don't know who should try, maybe people willing to be mentors.

Everyone has a right to their own beliefs and opinions. Sometimes writing horrid and controversial things is a catharic thing, maybe even symbolic. It doesn't justify the actions in real life or even make them acceptible. That is the difference. I don't expect it to ever be any otherwise. Words can hurt yes, but that is the risk you take to be able to speak your own mind as well. I've lived having to watch every word I say for years and I fucking hated it. It wasn't because I was in another country or trying to be nice, no it was out of fear for my mental health and well being. I was put down and degraded for contrary opinions for that period and it was a necessity to bite my tongue and not argue back. Many other people live through simillar conditions if not worse still. That's why I feel so strongly that is a right everyone has. Living without it makes you realize what it really meant. If it offends you, well bravo for speaking up about it. I fully support your right to do so. Your reasonings do have some sense, and I can admit there are crueller people than some and even those more sensitive than others. The issue would be where do we draw the line? Do we do it for the majority or a minority that is more sensitive and easily hurt or offended? That would have to be answered. Also in fictional writings, how do you determine what is and isn't acceptible. Not everything that has a controversial topic in it is glorifying it. Sometimes it showing an ugly side of it, sometimes even demonizing it. It can be used to show the corruption of a character or even how evil they can be. They do have a legitimate purpose and place still. That's not glorifying or making them seem acceptible, that's using them as a tool to show a down slide or cruelty. How would this figure into some of what you said? I am honestly curious on what you think about this side of it. Tl:Dr- Living without freedom of speech sucked and those horrid things can be used to show cruelty and corruption as well as not being used to glorify things. Bravo for speaking your mind, first off. Second off, how would such uses fit in to how you feel?

There are lots of things i enjoy that would make the stomachs of average people churn, but at the same time there are some things i don't feel confortable reading or writing about that seem to be quite popular and/or acceptable to most people; but instead of being an asshole and blaming other people i take responsibility for my own actions and just don't go read stuff that displeases me.

I wouldn't get too down about that. A good writer knows there is always room for improvement. We progressively get better all the time. The scary writers are the ones who think they're absolutely perfect as is and explode if you say anything to contradict that.

Eh, I figure I should apologize as well then. Taker wouldn't have anything to respond to if I wasn't posting replies back. Can't blame a fish if it takes the bait, after all. I just can't resist a good debate though! AS for the three questions, I answered the first two in my original post I believe, but in regards to using Homophobia in regards to those with a prejudice against homosexuals, I think that the term is rather acceptable. Why not? We have terms to identify just about any other interest group out there. My only objection is when it is applied to people who simply don't care, or those who only get aggressive when the matter is shoved in their faces. If someone wants to voice their opinion that is fine, but if someone is hounded for it, I would only expect them to be angry with the hounds.