Hiccup the Overlord discussion thread

[Jwsponky]

4 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

it’s a nickname from what i know. she gets her name from her ‘skin white as snow’

neat fairy-tail fact, snow white is so pure-hearted it gives her healing powers. eearly versions of the myth have the queen mutilating her and the wonds and scars healing due to her inner good.

she could be  ‘good samaritan’ figure hiccup keeps running into, which kind of fits what we have. a kind of non-violent anti-overlord and good influence.

I did not know she was possessed of healing powers...

[Strange_idea]

it’s in one version, not all. i’ll find you a link.

her real name cold be margaretha, after the figure some believe inspired the tale.

[Strange_idea]

i cannot find it, which is a shame because i remember, the queen made her less beautiful the direct way. that failed, so then she did the comb, bodice and apple

[Jwsponky]

10 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

it’s in one version, not all. i’ll find you a link.

her real name cold be margaretha, after the figure some believe inspired the tale.

I must admit I've not heard of said figure…

My mind has jumped topics again, and given me an idea concerning Rose, Velvet, and their unnamed mother who for women reason I want to call Lily…

While Rose and Velvet might have been young enough to notice that their father's body came home from his crusade with a different soul, their mother likely would have noticed, so what if the previous Overlord mind controlled her, and when infiltrating the Tower brought her along, only for the spell to be broken when Hiccup defeated the previous Overlord, and she decided to stick around the Tower, wanting to spend some time with her daughters, or not wanting to be alone after the long period of mind control?

Might have her seduce Hiccup, but not sure...

Edited June 3, 2018 by Jwsponky

[Strange_idea]

hmmm….. this may sound weird, but i think we have enough mothers. at least enough that an OC wouldn’t fit in that well. also, given how old their father was……

so i don’t think so for another suitor. BUT she could become castle cook or just be given her own room out of kindness. the girls could be very fond of her.

 

incidentally, what do you think of the snow white on a parallel good-guy adventure helping hiccup realise himself idea?

[Strange_idea]

she was a german duchess. the figure

[Jwsponky]

2 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

hmmm….. this may sound weird, but i think we have enough mothers. at least enough that an OC wouldn’t fit in that well. also, given how old their father was……

so i don’t think so for another suitor. BUT she could become castle cook or just be given her own room out of kindness. the girls could be very fond of her.

 

incidentally, what do you think of the snow white on a parallel good-guy adventure helping hiccup realise himself idea?

You do make a good point about the age difference, unless the as of yet unnamed wizard married a younger woman or was one of those people whose hair goes white relatively young… was just a passing thought

 

I admit I'm kind of neutral on the idea

[Jwsponky]

Though now I'm struck by the idea of Hiccup finding the glass coffin containing the cursed and long slumbering Snow White in the dwarves' castle after conquering the Golden Hills, and Grimhilde's reaction is something along the lines of "Oh, yes... I had forgotten about her..."

[Strange_idea]

1 minute ago, Jwsponky said:

Though now I'm struck by the idea of Hiccup finding the glass coffin containing the cursed and long slumbering Snow White in the dwarves' castle after conquering the Golden Hills, and Grimhilde's reaction is something along the lines of "Oh, yes... I had forgotten about her..."

well, i already suggested a scene like that for aurora (it will make more sense after maleficent. not hyping it up, i like it, but i’m only saying it was were i got the idea). That is really funny though. hmm. maybe they find aurora’s coffin and mistake it for snow’s, to contrast how maleficent reacts.

 

 

i think it could work really well, grimhilde is the hardest to work with in terms of character, and this way we can set her apart fro the mother-sorceresses and build up an interesting snow white without taking time away from the rest. plus it uses what we actually know about her. think of her as the gandalf-or-aragon figure. wandering and helping, just with magic and advice instead of fighting.

Do you know saint walker from DC comics? like that. she’s the infrequent shoulder angel to mirage’s devil and toothless and Astrid’s warrior pragmatism.

 plus, she could be the one to point the Disney girls in his direction. and it gives us a good reason for little lucky breaks and a neat background running gag.

 

My idea is that she was grimhilde’s daughter, same as the canon, but when the movie happened, grimhilde was captured before she could be killed, so snow was buried alive. the poison wore off though, and she crawled her way out of the coffin, her latent magic keeping her alive.

she made her way back to the castle, learned her mother’s old craft and set out to be as different a witch as she could be. she helped found the dawrf lands and holy order before they went to ruin, and has been trying to better the world ever since. when she meets up with her mother, she looks her in the eye and says “oh, yes…. I’d forgotten about you”. basically, she’s moved on and healed from the emotional scars, something grimhilde has a hard time grasping and takes as an insult. she’s supporting hiccup best she can in the present against the empire, in ways that keep people alive. she’s also helping the empire revolution by healing their wounded and bringing them news.

also, while hiccup begs her to reconsider her ‘good’ she sets out to prove him wrong by becoming smarter, and her encounters with him also help point out how much he’s grown too. she starts as a random encounter, the ‘bob the farmer’ figure who needs saving and to outline how hiccup thinks, but as she goes on and swaps philosophies every now and then with hiccup, they both see how they’ve grown. this may or may not be a test by her.

plus it’s be fun to have a recurring character not tied down to a kingdom

 

 

side note, if the second-tier wife idea winds up working, what do you think of mirage the cat as a candidate, given her history with hiccup and potential prominence as a character

[Strange_idea]

plus it’s a bit of a joke. she’s not revealed to be a princess until late, and not shown to be an airhead, but keeps the characters best qualities. for fun, don;t reveal her name for a couple of encounters when she teasingly asks what hiccup thinks she should be called, and he comes up with it

the realisation will be great

Edited June 3, 2018 by Strange_idea

[Jwsponky]

2 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

well, i already suggested a scene like that for aurora (it will make more sense after maleficent. not hyping it up, i like it, but i’m only saying it was were i got the idea). That is really funny though. hmm. maybe they find aurora’s coffin and mistake it for snow’s, to contrast how maleficent reacts.

 

 

i think it could work really well, grimhilde is the hardest to work with in terms of character, and this way we can set her apart fro the mother-sorceresses and build up an interesting snow white without taking time away from the rest. plus it uses what we actually know about her. think of her as the gandalf-or-aragon figure. wandering and helping, just with magic and advice instead of fighting.

Do you know saint walker from DC comics? like that. she’s the infrequent shoulder angel to mirage’s devil and toothless and Astrid’s warrior pragmatism.

 plus, she could be the one to point the Disney girls in his direction. and it gives us a good reason for little lucky breaks and a neat background running gag.

 

My idea is that she was grimhilde’s daughter, same as the canon, but when the movie happened, grimhilde was captured before she could be killed, so snow was buried alive. the poison wore off though, and she crawled her way out of the coffin, her latent magic keeping her alive.

she made her way back to the castle, learned her mother’s old craft and set out to be as different a witch as she could be. she helped found the dawrf lands and holy order before they went to ruin, and has been trying to better the world ever since. when she meets up with her mother, she looks her in the eye and says “oh, yes…. I’d forgotten about you”. basically, she’s moved on and healed from the emotional scars, something grimhilde has a hard time grasping and takes as an insult. she’s supporting hiccup best she can in the present against the empire, in ways that keep people alive. she’s also helping the empire revolution by healing their wounded and bringing them news.

also, while hiccup begs her to reconsider her ‘good’ she sets out to prove him wrong by becoming smarter, and her encounters with him also help point out how much he’s grown too. she starts as a random encounter, the ‘bob the farmer’ figure who needs saving and to outline how hiccup thinks, but as she goes on and swaps philosophies every now and then with hiccup, they both see how they’ve grown. this may or may not be a test by her.

plus it’s be fun to have a recurring character not tied down to a kingdom

 

 

side note, if the second-tier wife idea winds up working, what do you think of mirage the cat as a candidate, given her history with hiccup and potential prominence as a character

I admit its an interesting idea, though I have never heard of this saint walker person, and did not know Snow White and Grimhilde where supposed to be kin, I though Snow White was just a random servant at the castle

[Strange_idea]

nope. she’s making her daughter keep the castle. by herself. no wonder she has a work ethic

[Strange_idea]

actually, i was going to suggest the fifteen years he spent in the abyss just be the fragon-viking thing and a year to get used to changes, since we don’t want hiccup to be THAT old with the disney girls or his wives to die out.

so maybe after the year is over, he comes back to the tower to find snow has kept it for him. the tower heart is reacting curiously to her own good magic, but she isn’t corrupted in the least

[Strange_idea]

saint walker is a blue lantern. green lantern but for hope instead of will, and with the gimmick of powering up other people. he’s also a massive nice guy, a messiac figure and a skilled, understanding therapist. his powers literally revolve around hoping things can get better and helping people acheive that. and the ability to keep going despite personal loss. DC being very dark, it’s not kind to him recently, but he’s still one of the nicest guys in the entire universe.

there’s a green lantern animated series. he’s in it. it’s not in production anymore, and i don;t know if it had a dvd release. you may need youtube.

Edited June 3, 2018 by Strange_idea

[Jwsponky]

2 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

actually, i was going to suggest the fifteen years he spent in the abyss just be the fragon-viking thing and a year to get used to changes, since we don’t want hiccup to be THAT old with the disney girls or his wives to die out.

so maybe after the year is over, he comes back to the tower to find snow has kept it for him. the tower heart is reacting curiously to her own good magic, but she isn’t corrupted in the least

Uh... I had only meant for Hiccup to be stuck in the Abyss for a year or two, enough to age from his RttE design to his HTTYD2 design...

[Strange_idea]

missed that. sorry. going by overlord time.

hmmm…. is he still stuck in there with meg running the show?…. could work i guess, but that wouldn;t leave any time between starting the riders and fighting the empire. might be a good idea to make THAT the timeskip. or he starts even earlier….

[Jwsponky]

2 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

missed that. sorry. going by overlord time.

hmmm…. is he still stuck in there with meg running the show?…. could work i guess, but that wouldn;t leave any time between starting the riders and fighting the empire. might be a good idea to make THAT the timeskip. or he starts even earlier….

Perhaps, perhaps…

Jumping topics again, but I have been struck by the thought of 'What if Hiccup was born with the same glowing eyes and skin pattern, though without the blue skin, and possibly growing the shoulder spikes from the first game, though as a mark of 'power' as opposed to 'evil', over the course of the first game's events?'

[Strange_idea]

hmmm… i cannot find a picture, and we do want him to be recognisable as hiccup. and shoulder spike sound…. awkward to sleep with. you could roll over and decapitate your wife.

how about this, the eyes and pattern are when he uses magic and the shoulder spike happen to whatever CLOTHING her wears, and he finds it both annoying and ridculous.

“seriously? this is a cape! i could tab myself if i find a light breeze”

ironically grimhilde could start the story complaining he LACKS these things

 

also, thought of a scenario for the ‘second tier’ girls if you like the idea.

after toothless and astrid agreed to both be first queen, the sorceresses spend the next game plotting to get their choice for ‘second queen’ in (except gimhilde who forbids snow and sabotages her efforts, which naturally makes snow actually try). hiccup decides to go four all four based on the advice of his wives. i just feel these have the potential to be really interesting takes on the characters and can reasonably be brought in early, so with the right buildup it could make a lot of sense.

the rest are like, kinda married, but princesses, or queen-conubine

Edited June 3, 2018 by Strange_idea

[Jwsponky]

6 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

hmmm… i cannot find a picture, and we do want him to be recognisable as hiccup. and shoulder spike sound…. awkward to sleep with. you could roll over and decapitate your wife.

how about this, the eyes and pattern are when he uses magic and the shoulder spike happen to whatever CLOTHING her wears, and he finds it both annoying and ridculous.

“seriously? this is a cape! i could tab myself if i find a light breeze”

ironically grimhilde could start the story complaining he LACKS these things

 

also, thought of a scenario for the ‘second tier’ girls if you like the idea.

after toothless and astrid agreed to both be first queen, the sorceresses spend the next game plotting to get their choice for ‘second queen’ in (except gimhilde who forbids snow and sabotages her efforts, which naturally makes snow actually try). hiccup decides to go four all four based on the advice of his wives. i just feel these have the potential to be really interesting takes on the characters and can reasonably be brought in early, so with the right buildup it could make a lot of sense.

the rest are like, kinda married, but princesses, or queen-conubine

This hierarchy system could work 

Maybe instead of spikes, the protrusions are more like 'quills' thin and blunt edged enough to be harmless, and move according to Hiccup's mood similar to a dog's ears?

[Strange_idea]

or like saaaaay, dragon spines? toothless would love that. plus it keeps the feel of both series, and foreshadows the valka-thing and truce.

he could grow a dragon-spike ridge down his spine and some shoulder spikes like you described

they could grow while he was in the abyss and she gets flustered over them

 

 

one reason for the heirarchy is that while the regional girls seduce him and probably fall in love, it makes more sense for those girls (daughters to his teachers and famously romantic) to be actively seeking his love first and for longer.

and also zarina, but she’s just a kindred spirit. speaking of, should she learn to grow to human size? it’s be fun to have an ant-man type fighter. and something tells me she’d LOVE adventure. she could use fairy-dust powered weapons.

[Jwsponky]

6 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

or like saaaaay, dragon spines? toothless would love that. plus it keeps the feel of both series, and foreshadows the valka-thing and truce.

he could grow a dragon-spike ridge down his spine and some shoulder spikes like you described

they could grow while he was in the abyss and she gets flustered over them

 

 

one reason for the heirarchy is that while the regional girls seduce him and probably fall in love, it makes more sense for those girls (daughters to his teachers and famously romantic) to be actively seeking his love first and for longer.

and also zarina, but she’s just a kindred spirit. speaking of, should she learn to grow to human size? it’s be fun to have an ant-man type fighter. and something tells me she’d LOVE adventure. she could use fairy-dust powered weapons.

I admit I had not considered the dragon angle to the quills/spines, I had just been borrowing from the movie 'Strange Magic' where one of the characters, the Bog King, had such a set of quills/spurs on his shoulders.

My plan for the fairies had been for the all to be human sized, based on Maleficent's stature, possibly with Maleficent being acknowledged as somewhat taller than the average fairy, similar of queen Clarion

[Strange_idea]

i dunno, you could just make them ‘shortstacks’ like that midna picture i sent you at the start.

ther has to be something which makes them stand out. i was going to suggest maleficent or mim share the secret with her.

by the way, what’s mim like in your story?

[Jwsponky]

3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

i dunno, you could just make them ‘shortstacks’ like that midna picture i sent you at the start.

ther has to be something which makes them stand out. i was going to suggest maleficent or mim share the secret with her.

by the way, what’s mim like in your story?

Appearance wise she is in her briefly assumed beautiful form, personality wise she'd be the 'wild card' 'fun' parent, to the best of my attempts similar to her movie self, perhaps with a touch of... oddness ala Luna Love good added

[Strange_idea]

excellent. i was going to recommend she be one of the old ‘strange fey’ types. if you like i could find some example images of the cast for you. erotic redesigns.

I take it she’s kinda ditzy but smarter than she looks?

[Strange_idea]

I’f make her be the one re-arranging the tower to make rooms (literally) for new arrival based on a spell she picked up ‘from this wizard a long time ago’