Hiccup the Overlord discussion thread

[Strange_idea]

part of my idea is that toothless is completely human for most of hiccup’s childhood. hear me out.

since the other shape-shifters are at least some kind of magic, and we have a dragon transformation specialist already. Maleficent.

she turned the drain he rescued at an extremely young age into a completely human ‘friend’ for him, and while she was upset at being grounded at first, she does warm up to being human and falls in love with hiccup even quicker (it’s mutual) this is partially inspired by haku in spirited away, and kelda being the overlord’s friend childhood friend in number 2, as was the first toothless. should have mentioned that.

She’s there when he meets astrid, and gets grumpy when she mentions dragons stealing her fiance. and also curious what a fiance is.

She has no name, so he names her, as i mentioned last time, and the reason she turns back into a dragon for his adventure is because maleficent lifted the spell so that he would have protection on his journey, someone she knew would be utterly loyal and willing to do anything, even beyond the minions. she promised that if she brought him back alive, she’d give toothless the ability to turn human whenever she wants, but toothless is worried he’ll think she’s abandoned him, so maleficent lets her have one last night with him to ease the pain. She’s his first.

Hiccup is brokenhearted at the disappearance anyway, of his first girlfriend and goes into rebound mode a bit, hence the other mistresses. he does bond with the dragon though, and muses it;s almost sentient. at the end of the first game, when she gets her powers back, maleficent fullfills her promise and grants the ability to toothless (as well as the ability to turn into a half-and-half dragon girl), who apologises to hiccup, but he’s just overjoyed to see her again and at the revelation that she never left his side. Hiccup kisses her hard and rushes her to the bedroom t make up or lost time, reassuring her he doesn’t care in the least she’s a dragon. maybe he asks her to marry him, making him his first wife

not the last, but not just a mistress.

 

this way, he can keep the war beasts idea until long after he meets the hunters. and can work with them without feeling too bad at first, but still have a well-built relationship with toothless.

 

Later, when valka is having her crisis, she talks to maleficent and Idunn. They can both tell she wants to keep going with hiccup, and hiccup confessed his feeling weird over not feeing weird (i thought that made a lot of sense by the way. good writing) to them, so while idunn tries to smooth it over, maleficent gives her a spell to help ‘take what’s hers’. She turns her into an amazonian dragon-woman with a massive hourglass figure,  ‘valka the vast’ and invite hiccup over to settle the issue. valka prefers to stay this way, and invites him to bring toothless and astrid next time

maleficent later spreads the spell to all of hiccup’s dragon kingdoms via toothless and valka. or earlier, for toothless’s dragon followers

Edited June 3, 2018 by Strange_idea

[Jwsponky]

4 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

part of my idea is that toothless is completely human for most of hiccup’s childhood. hear me out.

since the other shape-shifters are at least some kind of magic, and we have a dragon transformation specialist already. Maleficent.

she turned the drain he rescued at an extremely young age into a completely human ‘friend’ for him, and while she was upset at being grounded at first, she does warm up to being human and falls in love with hiccup even quicker (it’s mutual) this is partially inspired by haku in spirited away, and kelda being the overlord’s friend childhood friend in number 2, as was the first toothless. should have mentioned that.

She’s there when he meets astrid, and gets grumpy when she mentions dragons stealing her fiance. and also curious what a fiance is.

She has no name, so he names her, as i mentioned last time, and the reason she turns back into a dragon for his adventure is because maleficent lifted the spell so that he would have protection on his journey, someone she knew would be utterly loyal and willing to do anything, even beyond the minions. she promised that if she brought him back alive, she’d give toothless the ability to turn human whenever she wants, but toothless is worried he’ll think she’s abandoned him, so maleficent lets her have one last night with him to ease the pain. She’s his first.

Hiccup is brokenhearted at the disappearance anyway, of his first girlfriend and goes into rebound mode a bit. at the end of the first game, when she gets her pores back, maleficent fullfills her promise and grants the ability to toothless (as well as the ability to turn into a half-and-half dragon girl), who apologises to hiccup, but he’s just overjoyed to see her again and at the revelation that she never left his side. Hiccup kisses her hard and rushes her to the bedroom t make up or lost time, reassuring her he doesn’t care in the least she’s a dragon. maybe he asks her to marry him, making him his first wife

not the last, but not just a mistress.

 

this way, he can keep the war beasts idea until long after he meets the hunters.

 

Later, when valka is having her crisis, she talks to maleficent and Idunn. They can both tell she wants to keep going with hiccup, and hiccup confessed his feeling weird over not feeing weird (i thought that made a lot of sense by the way. good writing) to them, so while idunn tries to smooth it over, maleficent gives her a spell to help ‘take what’s hers’. She turns her into an amazonian dragon-woman with a massive hourglass figure,  ‘valka the vast’ and invite hiccup over to settle the issue. valka prefers to stay this way, and invites him to bring toothless and astrid next time

maleficent later spreads the spell to all of hiccup’s dragon kingdoms via toothless and valka. or earlier, for toothless’s dragon followers

Hmm, this would work. I admit I hadn't considered the idea of Valka getting dragon powers.

[Strange_idea]

sorry to be a broken record, but just valka or the toothless bit too?

need to understand if i’m going to help

[Strange_idea]

plus, part of the reason was that the phrase ‘valka the vast’ got stuck in my head and i remembered the breastplate gag from the first movie, then i thought, can i top that?

[Strange_idea]

is this better than the last toothless idea is what i’m asking

[Jwsponky]

2 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

sorry to be a broken record, but just valka or the toothless bit too?

need to understand if i’m going to help

 

1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

plus, part of the reason was that the phrase ‘valka the vast’ got stuck in my head and i remembered the breastplate gag from the first movie, then i thought, can i top that?

The both of them, and I admit said gag had slipped my mind, I had assumed it was meant to be a joke about the title of her late husband

[Strange_idea]

it was both

[Strange_idea]

this was also part of the ‘mini harem’ logic. as his irst queen toothless is mistress above mistress to all dragons and monster-girls, including valka. though she likes her demidragon mother in law.

 

part of the logic is that as a dragon she has a hoarding instinct, which she uses on mistresses. starting the trend. she pushed girls hiccups way while ‘absent’ and didn;t mind sharing once she came back.

as queen it’s her responsibility to ‘train’ the girls to seduce hiccup. maybe

Edited June 3, 2018 by Strange_idea

[Strange_idea]

that part came from a mental image or usrsula training ariel or her first time with hiccup, because of the favour-trade mentioned before. and to blow of some serious steam

[Jwsponky]

Okay then

1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

this was also part of the ‘mini harem’ logic. as his irst queen toothless is mistress above mistress to all dragons and monster-girls, including valka. though she likes her demidragon mother in law.

This is a fair idea, though now I'm struck by the idle thought of all the Viking girls getting the ability to shape shift into dragons...

[Strange_idea]

hmm…. that could be part of the resolution. though we don;t eant to spread it too much. probably just t the vikings. Maleficent could insist she;s not doing another country-wide spell or something. the intermitant year could be them learning their new bodies. how about just the dragon ‘honour guard’ and the viking mistresses. hiccup could call it a test run, and mention he plans to slowly introduce the gene into the greater public.

It would definitely switch things to dragon rangers rather than dragon hunters. 

also, astrid finding out hiccup has a wife could be interesting, as could the series of events that lead to second queen astrid (would you consider her a candidate for that?)

[Strange_idea]

actually, if we do the valka thing, the next sex scene could be the four mothers revealing the slept with him in disguise to help ease things over and draggin him and valka into an orgy. Iduna could get swept up in it to her suprise, and that awakens her power and memories.

[Jwsponky]

19 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

hmm…. that could be part of the resolution. though we don;t eant to spread it too much. probably just t the vikings. Maleficent could insist she;s not doing another country-wide spell or something. the intermitant year could be them learning their new bodies. how about just the dragon ‘honour guard’ and the viking mistresses. hiccup could call it a test run, and mention he plans to slowly introduce the gene into the greater public.

It would definitely switch things to dragon rangers rather than dragon hunters. 

also, astrid finding out hiccup has a wife could be interesting, as could the series of events that lead to second queen astrid (would you consider her a candidate for that?)

I admit when I said Viking 'girls' I should have typed 'mistresses' as it had been they I had referred to, and yes Astrid was the only other candidate I had really considered for the title of 'First Mistress', though I had toyed with the idea of Hiccup awkwardly trying to distance himself from the women's attempt at forming a hierarchy, stuttering something along the lines of 'you're each highest ranked in the area I asked you to keep an eye on...'

 

18 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

actually, if we do the valka thing, the next sex scene could be the four mothers revealing the slept with him in disguise to help ease things over and draggin him and valka into an orgy. Iduna could get swept up in it to her suprise, and that awakens her power and memories.

This would work, and I just remembered another layer of awkwardness for the whole thing, one of the twists I was planning to include from the 'normal' HTTYD story I've partly written was that Heather and (genderbent) Dagur were Hiccups twin older sisters who were separated from the family when Hiccup was a baby, and Hiccup might not realise that until Valka meets and recognizes them, after Hiccup had slept with them, possibly multiple times...

Edited June 3, 2018 by Jwsponky

[Strange_idea]

2 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:

I admit when I said Viking 'girls' I should have typed 'mistresses' as it had been they I had referred to, and yes Astrid was the only other candidate I had really considered for the title of 'First Mistress', though I had toyed with the idea of Hiccup awkwardly trying to distance himself from the women's attempt at forming a hierarchy, saying something along the lines of 'you're each highest ranked in the are I asked you to keep an eye on...'

Hey, what if toothless is mistress queen of the monsters, and Astrid is Mistress queen of the disney girls? responsible for easing them into the situation and does most of the interaction/problem solving for them.

I’d toyed with the idea of making the sorceresses ‘queens; as well, but i dunno. maybe royal council.

 

3 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:

This would work, and I just remembered another layer of awkwardness for the whole thing, one of the twists I was planning to include from the 'normal' HTTYD story I've partly written was that Heather and (genderbent) Dagur were Hiccups twin older sisters which were separated from the family when Hiccup was a baby, and Hiccup might not realise that until Valka meets and recognizes them, after Hiccup had slept with them, possibly multiple times..

That could be hilarious/touching if valka comforts them over it. or Valka trying to break the news to him and he realises what’s happened before she can. hiccup is just over it. 

after he explains his (don’t see them as sisters) thing: “that helps… this would be awkward if you were someone we saw as family”

“it really was”

“...was?”

for further awkwardness, imagine how anna and elsa feel sharing a husband. this isn’t a problem, this helps flesh out the girls , give opportunities for interaction, and make the story more interesting.

also, i think if anna gets magic, she should mostly use it to enhance her physicality. aka fire armour and fire punch

[Jwsponky]

3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

Hey, what if toothless is mistress queen of the monsters, and Astrid is Mistress queen of the disney girls? responsible for easing them into the situation and does most of the interaction/problem solving for them.

I’d toyed with the idea of making the sorceresses ‘queens; as well, but i dunno. maybe royal council.

 

That could be hilarious/touching if valka comforts them over it. or Valka trying to break the news to him and he realises what’s happened before she can. hiccup is just over it. 

after he explains his (don’t see them as sisters) thing: “that helps… this would be awkward if you were someone we saw as family”

“it really was”

“...was?”

for further awkwardness, imagine how anna and elsa feel sharing a husband. this isn’t a problem, this helps flesh out the girls , give opportunities for interaction, and make the story more interesting.

also, i think if anna gets magic, she should mostly use it to enhance her physicality. aka fire armour and fire punch

The idea of Astrid and Toothless splitting the role of First Mistress makes sense, and I do admit I had not considered the potential awkward feeling Anna and Elsa would have if the decided to try sharing Hiccup simultaneously instead of just sleeping with him separately, which hadn't occurred to me as potentially awkward given that it was their idea...

[Strange_idea]

my suggested scenario was that it was a desperation move, and they didn’t realise what it would involve until it came to it. also their mother would probably be there, and that was not part of their plan.

the wedding night would be awkward and adorable.

although one character thing could be anna decided to just focus on how glad she was to have her sister back and got too into it. or elsa’s finally having human warmth.

forgot to mention, hiccup is dressed as kristoph for that chapter due to the intense cold. and talks to toothless like kristoph does to sven. anna reacts similarly because toothless refuses to change back to mess with her.

 

do we have a plan for snow white yet? or is she not in this?

[Strange_idea]

also, i think toothless’s dragon form would get bigger with her ‘enhancement’, as well as maybe faster and stronger fire

[Jwsponky]

Just now, Strange_idea said:

also, i think toothless’s dragon form would get bigger with her ‘enhancement’, as well as maybe faster and stronger fire

This makes sense, and incidentally coincides with the fact that in many real world reptile species, females are the larger gender...

 

3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

my suggested scenario was that it was a desperation move, and they didn’t realise what it would involve until it came to it. also their mother would probably be there, and that was not part of their plan.

the wedding night would be awkward and adorable.

although one character thing could be anna decided to just focus on how glad she was to have her sister back and got too into it. or elsa’s finally having human warmth.

forgot to mention, hiccup is dressed as kristoph for that chapter due to the intense cold. and talks to toothless like kristoph does to sven. anna reacts similarly because toothless refuses to change back to mess with her.

 

do we have a plan for snow white yet? or is she not in this?

I have not come up with a plan for her, for similar reasons as to Aurora's initial exclusion...

[Strange_idea]

1 minute ago, Jwsponky said:

I have not come up with a plan for her, for similar reasons as to Aurora's initial exclusion...

I think i could think of something. probably something that wouldn’t give her a kingdom to add to the list.

 

 

 

weird random idea, but what if the queens each chose a mistress to train as a ‘secondary wife’?

aurora for maleficent

ariel for ursula

probably zarina for mim

[Strange_idea]

them being involved earlier and independent of the kingdoms mean they could have more interesting relationships. it was partly why is suggested the ariel and aurora backstory.

 

it’s an idea i was considering suggesting before i knew you considered astrid the only other candidate.

Edited June 3, 2018 by Strange_idea

[Strange_idea]

and they ARE meddlers

[Jwsponky]

3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

I think i could think of something. probably something that wouldn’t give her a kingdom to add to the list.

 

 

 

weird random idea, but what if the queens each chose a mistress to train as a ‘secondary wife’?

aurora for maleficent

ariel for ursula

probably zarina for mim

This is an idea, though now I wonder if 'Snow White' is just a title like 'Sleeping Beauty' of if her first name is actually Snow and her last name White?..

[Strange_idea]

it’s a nickname from what i know. she gets her name from her ‘skin white as snow’

neat fairy-tail fact, snow white is so pure-hearted it gives her healing powers. eearly versions of the myth have the queen mutilating her and the wonds and scars healing due to her inner good.

she could be  ‘good samaritan’ figure hiccup keeps running into, which kind of fits what we have. a kind of non-violent anti-overlord and good influence.

[Strange_idea]

her character arc could be hiccup saving her a few times, and instead of giving up good like he suggests, snow could just get smarter about it and better at it. she could be the one that asks him the difference between him and a hero

[Strange_idea]

also, idea, she’s grimhilde’s estranged daughter, kept avile all these years by her powerful white magic which her heart produces. she show up to save him when he needs it, like when he’s caught as a slave, and slips away.