Did AFF ever develop an AI policy?

[Deadman]

I have this vague memory of at some point asking if AFF had an AI policy. Although for some reason I can’t find it on the forums.

So I’m just going to ask it again. Does the platform have one?

 

[BronxWench]

I think you mean this thread:  https://www2.adult-fanfiction.org/forum/topic/73048-does-aff-have-a-policy-on-ai-generated-fanfic/#comment-445291

So far, we haven’t developed a formal policy. As we’ve been talking about over in the status updates, Chat GPT so far has filters in place to prevent it from generating adult content, which is our milieu. That’s not to say that “clever” folks haven’t managed to jailbreak it, and there’s talk about creating a system to allow verified adults to write adult content.

So, it is on the radar but not yet an issue thus far. Will it become an issue? My good gold is on yes, because Rule 34 exists.

[Deadman]

18 hours ago, BronxWench said:

I think you mean this thread:  https://www2.adult-fanfiction.org/forum/topic/73048-does-aff-have-a-policy-on-ai-generated-fanfic/#comment-445291

So far, we haven’t developed a formal policy. As we’ve been talking about over in the status updates, Chat GPT so far has filters in place to prevent it from generating adult content, which is our milieu. That’s not to say that “clever” folks haven’t managed to jailbreak it, and there’s talk about creating a system to allow verified adults to write adult content.

So, it is on the radar but not yet an issue thus far. Will it become an issue? My good gold is on yes, because Rule 34 exists.

Well part of me thinking about it again is that I’ve found one that has some looser rules around filtering stuff. I’ve also seen some AI image creators that have looser rules around what it can create. Obviously the image thing is not really an issue for this site. My intention at this point isn’t to post anything that I didn’t write myself. Everything I’m posting now was completely from my crazy human brain.

However I have also seen some stories that could use a formatting and spelling pass which AI could help with.

Edited October 17 by Deadman

[BronxWench]

3 hours ago, Deadman said:

Well part of me thinking about it again is that I’ve found one that has some looser rules around filtering stuff. I’ve also seen some AI image creators that have looser rules around what it can create. Obviously the image thing is not really an issue for this site. My intention at this point isn’t to post anything that I didn’t write myself. Everything I’m posting now was completely from my crazy human brain.

However I have also seen some stories that could use a formatting and spelling pass which AI could help with.

As much as I would love to see people use something that would correct formatting and spelling, the onus for that is on the author and not the site. My inner editor may be reduced to tears frequently, but site policy is to let the attempted murder of written English stand around with its flies undone and its complete inability to comprehend homonyms on full display. 

[DemonGoddess]

The thing that I absolutely loathe about AI generated content, is that the AI trawls the web looking for stuff to incorporate.  Makes it so plagiarism will become an even worse issue, IMO.

[Desiderius Price]

It’s also devaluing to be accused of using AI for writing simply because you like dashes, ellipses, or using proper grammar.

[DemonGoddess]

1 hour ago, Desiderius Price said:

It’s also devaluing to be accused of using AI for writing simply because you like dashes, ellipses, or using proper grammar.

Agreed.  Where you REALLY see AI is in some of those visual books on Youtube.  Hubs likes to listen to them.  Mind you, I’ve read countless sci-fi books, so when he’s listening, I can usually tell him which book and/or author they’re stealing from 🤣

[Deadman]

4 hours ago, Desiderius Price said:

It’s also devaluing to be accused of using AI for writing simply because you like dashes, ellipses, or using proper grammar.

 

3 hours ago, DemonGoddess said:

Agreed.  Where you REALLY see AI is in some of those visual books on Youtube.  Hubs likes to listen to them.  Mind you, I’ve read countless sci-fi books, so when he’s listening, I can usually tell him which book and/or author they’re stealing from 🤣

Oh I totally get that but there are some who could really use the help. I’ve seen stories where like every sentence is it’s own paragraph or half a sentence is a paragraph. Say what you want about AI but it usually involves structuring stuff pretty well.

I’ve been accused of sharing AI images for stuff that I have no idea if it is or not. I just happened to find it on the internet, like a meme or something. The evidence one person used is that a “human being would never make a mistake like that image”. But the problem is that the very type of mistake that “proves” that it’s AI is something humans do all the time… make mistakes.

[Desiderius Price]

IMHO, for this site (and similarly for AO3), what most people are against is the AI slop.  (Feed a prompt to Chat GPT, get a “novel” from it.  TBH, quite sophisticated and impressed it’s gotten as well as it has; basically a million typewriter monkeys that have some pattern recognition grasp at what the humans are seeking.)

I don’t think folks would be against you using something like grammarly, or similar spell/grammar checker with some AI backing to it.  I don’t think they’d be really against you using an AI created image as a writing prompt/aid to help visualize the scene you’re about to write/describe. I don’t think that’s at a level of needing disclosure.  But then we get closer to the gray line with something like an AI character profile, backstory, or it helping you finish/write a scene.

Right now, if AI is forming a substantial chunk of the writing process, disclosure is likely the best policy, and let the reader decide if they want to continue or not.  (Just remember, you’re still on the hook for whatever you post.)

[Deadman]

14 hours ago, Desiderius Price said:

IMHO, for this site (and similarly for AO3), what most people are against is the AI slop.  (Feed a prompt to Chat GPT, get a “novel” from it.  TBH, quite sophisticated and impressed it’s gotten as well as it has; basically a million typewriter monkeys that have some pattern recognition grasp at what the humans are seeking.)

I don’t think folks would be against you using something like grammarly, or similar spell/grammar checker with some AI backing to it.  I don’t think they’d be really against you using an AI created image as a writing prompt/aid to help visualize the scene you’re about to write/describe. I don’t think that’s at a level of needing disclosure.  But then we get closer to the gray line with something like an AI character profile, backstory, or it helping you finish/write a scene.

Right now, if AI is forming a substantial chunk of the writing process, disclosure is likely the best policy, and let the reader decide if they want to continue or not.  (Just remember, you’re still on the hook for whatever you post.)

I suspect that you’re probably right about a lot of your view of it. However, I think it makes sense to have this generally laid out on the site somewhere. That way people can’t claim that they didn’t know.

[BronxWench]

2 hours ago, Deadman said:

I suspect that you’re probably right about a lot of your view of it. However, I think it makes sense to have this generally laid out on the site somewhere. That way people can’t claim that they didn’t know.

Oh, trust me, I imagine the number of people who have actually read the Terms of Service are a distinct minority compared to those who are shocked, shocked, I tell you, to find out we have rules. They won’t be any more likely to observe site restrictions on AI, and yes, that is a deeply cynical point of view.

[Deadman]

3 hours ago, BronxWench said:

Oh, trust me, I imagine the number of people who have actually read the Terms of Service are a distinct minority compared to those who are shocked, shocked, I tell you, to find out we have rules. They won’t be any more likely to observe site restrictions on AI, and yes, that is a deeply cynical point of view.

I’m fairly certain that I read at least parts of it if not the whole thing. But yes, that’s probably true about the terms of service for most people.

[Deadman]

At the moment, I’m mostly using AI for stories that I’m almost certainly not going to write. I have like 50 story ideas that I came up with before AI was a thing that I’m slowly working my way through using my brain.

What I’m using it for is fun stuff. For example, there’s a couple of soap opera characters that I’d love to be an actual couple but it’s unlikely to actually be a thing. AFF actually has a couple stories from that soap opera on the site but not with any of the characters that I’m thinking of. So AI helps me have fun with the idea. There’s almost no chance I will ever write them myself or put it out there into the world. That way the idea isn’t nagging me to write it instead of what I’m currently writing.
 

Edited 1 hour ago by Deadman