The Unreviewed

[Arian-Sinclair]

8 minutes ago, JayDee said:

...well, that’s a pop culture ref I don’t get! Happens more and more as I get closer to middle age.

It’s an anime/manga reference. Death the Kid is from the anime/manga Soul Eater and is obsessed with symmetry. His favourite number is 8 because of this obsession. XD 

[Desiderius Price]

18 minutes ago, JayDee said:

... “Christ, this is fucking dull, I’ve had more fun reading the bleach bottle while sat on the shitter, Ms E L James” is probably pretty subjective.

*I mean, most writers. I used to love getting to share the non-story-reviewing flames in the old flames thread before having to delete them on account of the site’s no flames rules.

Apparently a lot of people got off playing with the bleach bottle.  And who am I to judge?  If that author enjoyed themselves writing, and the enthralled readers enjoyed themselves reading, well, that’s fine because we all have different tastes, and some like their chilli to be very, very, bland. 

Our focus can also change, but still stay in the universe.  My entire series started off with an (unreleased) smut fic, but then I go “what about this?” and POOF, I’ve got plot.  So, the rest of these works generally do have plot, and, well, I still weave in some smut

[Mal]

This is an interesting thread. I’ve often wondered about the different “genres” or domains… or whatever you guys want to call them and how working in one realm gets a writer more attention and potentially more reviews because of that genre’s proliferation. For example, if you go to the Harry Potter archive, there is barely a damn story there that doesn’t have a review, as someone already pointed out. The same seems true of the Original’s archive, a great many stories there get reviews even when the dragon prints are low. However, if you venture into the (apparently) very taboo world of the Celebrity archive almost no stories get reviewed, even when the prints are high. As I work exclusively in the Celeb realm at this time, I’ve often found myself jealous of how many reviews writers of other genres get.

It also got me to thinking does the genre one writes in have more of an effect on the number, and quality of the reviews one receives, even more than the quality of the writing by the author?  (Quality, at least as its determined by the number of dragon prints a story has received) I have five stories on this site, and as far as I can tell (comparing them to other stories in the celebrity archive) I do very well for myself in terms of the number of dragon prints I receive. But, I also get no reviews. Here is a listing of my stories with the Dragon Print count and number of reviews:

Billion Dollar Harem: 100913 / 4

Felicity’s Fate: 5186 / 0

The Orb of Janus: 5698 / 0

The Mile High Rape Club: 3936 / 0

Emma Watson’s Blowbang Spectacular: 3949 / 0

As you can see, despite having good dragon print count, my stories have almost no reviews. This is true of most stories in the Celebrity archive. However, in the Originals or Harry Potter archives, for example, stories with far less count have a lot more reviews. Does this suggest a certain degree of passivity on the part of those who read celebrity fiction, a level of protectiveness from those who read HP or Original? Or is it a taboo around Celebrity… This is something that has had me curious for years as I’ve always wanted to see more reviews for the stories I write.

I also wonder if the number of reviews I receive is offset by  the fact that I have a thread on the forum dedicated to my primary story, where many of my regular readers comment. Then again I see many authors have their own review threads too so… I don’t know. I would love for someone to explain to me why my preferred genre seems to be the black sheep of the fanfiction world….

Anyways, I thought this was an interesting thread so I wanted to contribute. Thanks to Jaydee for starting it!

[JayDee]

I’m just using domain in the sense of AFF’s subdomains because when I went through my stories I did it by subdomain originals and movies etc. Genre’s a better term for general fiction discussion and you can have same genre stories in different subdomains. I’d say least likely to be reviewed on here is a oneshot nosex original story, or little known fandom. People’ll definitely review a shitty story with a fetish they like, often to say they want to see more of it. I speak as a writer of some pretty shitty stories with reviews of that nature! Same with certain popular fandoms where a particular character or theme will get reviews just ‘cos folks want to consume any media they can with it. That’s how it seems to me.

I’m sure you’re right that getting replies directly to the forum means you’re getting less on the story – those regular readers’d definitely be making at least some of the same comments as reviews!

Gotta rush, will comment more later!

 

[JayDee]

I don’t necessarily see Dragon Prints as a sign of quality  – it’s a sign someone clicked, not that they read it. I guess at most it says “This summary/codes/title/pairing/fandom was appealing” and a big multiparter, where the parts are posted at intervals rather than all at once, will often have many more hits than a oneshot purely because each new chapter will bring it back to the front page, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s any better. The oneshot could be amazing!

For the celebrity thing… eh, I’ve said my bit on why I stopped doing ‘em, so purely in line with this topic - I sometimes think with celebrity stories folks don’t want to be commenting/reviewing positively on something the celebrity might have a lawsuit about later – but I guess the same could apply for many copyrighted works. I do know that if, say, I commented on a rape fic about a celebrity and them someone linked them to it on twitter, or a talk show host bought it up (as occasionally happens, it ain’t just mean tweets! Or, hell, a lot of these folks are waaay more into the internet than before, prolly find thm theirselves) I’d feel pretty bad for ‘em. Maybe other folks think the same thing and are less keen to have their reviews in that context, but quite happy to masturbate over it? But even that theory doesn’t hold up because there are people out there happy to use internet anonymity to tell someone to their twitter/IG whatever account that they hope they get raped/murdered/not allowed to be in another Star Wars movie. And those angry folks seem like they’d not be bothered reviewing celeb porn. Hell, some of ‘em are probably making the deepfakes. 

Having a quick look at yours, I see that three of ‘em only have one part, and the other one only has two parts – every single one of my unreviewed stories is a oneshot and I think that can have an impact as well, maybe more so than the domain thing (unless it’s a nosex multiparter in a really unknown fandom with other really niche tags or something!). Might even be more that factor than the celeb factor, because as you have with your big multi-parters once you get regular readers they’re keen to offer input, and feedback and interact, and guess about how things will go and so on. Just a thought.

When I was writing celeb stories I got the vast majority of my reviews by email, maybe you’d get some by sticking a “Hey folks! If you don’t want to post a review, email me your thoughts!” message?

[Desiderius Price]

4 minutes ago, JayDee said:

I don’t necessarily see Dragon Prints as a sign of quality  – it’s a sign someone clicked, not that they read it. I guess at most it says “This summary/codes/title/pairing/fandom was appealing” and a big multiparter, where the parts are posted at intervals rather than all at once, will often have many more hits than a oneshot purely because each new chapter will bring it back to the front page, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s any better. The oneshot could be amazing!

It comes down to those self-doubts one can have about their own stories.  Are they any good?  Do people like reading them?  Is it worth my effort to take these from an outline/rough to a more polished form for posting?  Is this suitable to actually be published (for originals)?  In the absence of reviews, I can’t answer these, not really.  So, having the dragon prints going up consistency after posting/promoting at least hints that some people are reading it, and coming back to read with each installment – it’s not guaranteed, it could be a different group of suckers each time, or, it could be some habitual readers; my assumption is that it’s a bit of both.

[Mal]

Hey, thanks for responding to my query. I guess first off, I definitely think you’re right about having a thread dedicated to the story taking away from reviews. But I guess it still kind of bugs me that my other stories have no reviews despite having what I’d consider a decent dragon print count. It does kind of make me wonder though if you’re right about Oneshots getting less reviews due to the fact that the reviewer knows there won’t be another chapter. I’m not sure, however, that as far as celebrity fiction is concerned that its a lack of wanting to be recognized that keeps them from commenting / reviewing. As you’ve said, there are many...very disturbing celebrity fan fiction enthusiasts who go out of their way to make their comments known. I try not to get enmeshed in those type of things.

I write celebrity for two reasons. One, I’m a fan of the celebrity. (I like their work, or find them attractive so I bring my fantasies to life). I certainly do not wish that something that happens to them in my story, or any story would happen to them in real life. I’m just a fan who wants to fantasize, and... Two, in the vein of liking their work, I see celebrity fiction as a subsection of the Movie, Television, or even Novels category… basically, I feel that if a character (Hermione, Aragon, Black Widow...etc.) has been portrayed by an actor/actress, then 99% of the writers and readers of such fiction are just picturing that actor/actress as they read/write anyway so what’s the difference.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I don’t know that I completely agree that Dragon Prints don’t signal quality. I mean I get what your saying that its just a count of people clicking on it. But at a certain point, as the count grows, you have to associate that with readers finding quality in your work… don’t you think? But I totally agree that one of the main reason people comment/review is to push the fetishes and (in the celeb writing world), the people/characters they want to see featured on the writer because they want to see more of it/them. Finally, JayDee, I don’t think you’re a writer of shitty stories at all. I’d like you to know that I have your bio page bookmarked, just so I can more easily find your work. Your story, Whore of Heaven is one of my favorite erotic works and that it was part of the inspiration for me to peruse my own erotic writings. (FYI, I have a penchant for seeing the beautiful and the pure corrupted and or humiliated…)

Desiderius Price, I totally agree that dragon prints help feed/dispel the doubts a writer may have about their work. When I release a new chapter or story, I find myself hitting the site sometimes 10 or more times a day just to see how the count has changed and when I see a rapid increase I think “well that must have been a good chapter,” and when its the opposite, I fall into despair and sit at home with the lights off playing video games to bolster my self-esteem. Ok, that might be a slight exaggeration...but only slight. Reviews and or comments really help me understand, like you said the answer to where I went wrong or where I went right. And watching dragon prints rise consistently definitely leads me to feel that I have a growing readership and that people are genuinely enjoying my work. 

Alright, well I thank you both for your responses and I guess I’ve droned on long enough.

Till next time,

-Mal

[Desiderius Price]

10 minutes ago, Mal said:

Desiderius Price, I totally agree that dragon prints help feed/dispel the doubts a writer may have about their work. When I release a new chapter or story, I find myself hitting the site sometimes 10 or more times a day just to see how the count has changed and when I see a rapid increase I think “well that must have been a good chapter,” and when its the opposite, I fall into despair and sit at home with the lights off playing video games to bolster my self-esteem. Ok, that might be a slight exaggeration...but only slight. Reviews and or comments really help me understand, like you said the answer to where I went wrong or where I went right. And watching dragon prints rise consistently definitely leads me to feel that I have a growing readership and that people are genuinely enjoying my work. 

Alright, well I thank you both for your responses and I guess I’ve droned on long enough.

I track mine via a spreadsheet.  Normally, I do it daily unless I just posted, at which point, I’ll do it a bit more often.  (And refresh a lot in between to see how it changes.)  I also try to avoid clicking *into* my own story because I know it’ll disturb the counts.  I do put a lot of time into my stories as I don’t have that natural talent to sit at the computer  and have a new story done over the weekend.  I like my stories to be consistent, well reasoned, and plausible; that takes effort, I’ll even burn some vacation time to write, because I do enjoy it.  So it’s nice to know that it’s appreciated by the readers, because I’m definitely not doing this to get rich (that’d be nice, have movie made of one of my stories, or something, but that’s a lottery type payoff).

And we do like to drone on in the forums

[GeorgeGlass]

4 hours ago, Mal said:

I write celebrity for two reasons. One, I’m a fan of the celebrity. (I like their work, or find them attractive so I bring my fantasies to life). I certainly do not wish that something that happens to them in my story, or any story would happen to them in real life. I’m just a fan who wants to fantasize, and... Two, in the vein of liking their work, I see celebrity fiction as a subsection of the Movie, Television, or even Novels category… basically, I feel that if a character (Hermione, Aragon, Black Widow...etc.) has been portrayed by an actor/actress, then 99% of the writers and readers of such fiction are just picturing that actor/actress as they read/write anyway so what’s the difference.

I think you’ve just helped me realize why I have absolutely no fics outside of the Cartoon and Originals domains. Writing porn/erotica (which is mostly what I write) about real people is uncomfortable for me, and so is writing about characters played by real people. 

[JayDee]

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It does kind of make me wonder though if you’re right about Oneshots getting less reviews due to the fact that the reviewer knows there won’t be another chapter.

It’s not just the not getting another chapter factor – and to be fair a few of my oneshots with a clear ending and everybody dead have had a sole review of “Can you do X in a second part?” – it’s more the way the site works with oneshots being less likely to be seen once they’re off the latest page unless someone goes looking in the specific sub folder or searches for a specific tag. Less people seeing them mean less opportunities for reviews. Now, older stories still get seen, sometimes quite a lot, but the other factor is that readers do seem less likely to review older oneshots than newer ones. Hence one of my HP oneshots with 10s of thousands of hits but most of the reviews are much older. I’m just theorising here, but it does feel like a factor with alla my unreviewed being oneshots

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Two, in the vein of liking their work, I see celebrity fiction as a subsection of the Movie, Television, or even Novels category… basically, I feel that if a character (Hermione, Aragon, Black Widow...etc.) has been portrayed by an actor/actress, then 99% of the writers and readers of such fiction are just picturing that actor/actress as they read/write anyway so what’s the difference.

There’s definitely some of that, I guess, and it’s going to be a case of depending on the writer, but for me a lot of the time the character is more fun than the actor/actress because all I know about the actor/actress is what the PR people say, or they put on twitter or something, but the character can have amazing powers and with books/comics and that which also have movie/tv equivilent you can even feel right in their head. At the end of the day Hermione could kill you with a flick of her wrist, while Emma Watson (or the stage actress for wossname child) can’t. I realised as I was writing this there’s a joke in there somewhere, but what the hell.

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Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I don’t know that I completely agree that Dragon Prints don’t signal quality.

I think maybe I didn’t communicate clearly (“What we have here is… failure to communicate.”) – by saying they don’t necessarily equal quality I was getting at the fact that there’s some heavily viewed and even reviewed stories that are still really shit. No disrespect to the writ… fuck it, they don’t know I’m talking about them. I usually see more hits as a sign of a more active fandom or more popular tag than necessarily quality is what I was going for I guess.

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Finally, JayDee, I don’t think you’re a writer of shitty stories at all. I’d like you to know that I have your bio page bookmarked, just so I can more easily find your work. Your story, Whore of Heaven is one of my favorite erotic works and that it was part of the inspiration for me to peruse my own erotic writings. (FYI, I have a penchant for seeing the beautiful and the pure corrupted and or humiliated…)

Thank you! I appreciate it! That was always one of my more popular original stories it seemed. Someone once requested to write a sequel, I think where a student saved her from her imprisonment at the end by the power of love. Sent the request from a college email. I never heard from them again, but suspect the IT team asked questions about the stories they’d been reading.

I just have a mental block against rating most things I’ve written very highly, I guess. Some authors I like have said they like my stuff and I’m half sure they aren’t just returning a compliment, and one character and story I did went on to appear in a bunch more by another writer (who asked!) so I’m sure there’s something in it, but when I look at most of it I just think it’s bad. I’m reading through a story I did in May 2008 at the moment, haven’t looked at it since then and my every other thought is WTF?

Ahh well, for my part I just tend to avoid celeb stuff these days for personal fears and reasons but if you ever do anything with original or fictional characters let me know and I’ll have a read!

On 7/6/2018 at 11:27 AM, Desiderius Price said:

 

And we do like to drone on in the forums

Yes. Yes we do.

On 7/6/2018 at 4:06 PM, GeorgeGlass said:

I think you’ve just helped me realize why I have absolutely no fics outside of the Cartoon and Originals domains. Writing porn/erotica (which is mostly what I write) about real people is uncomfortable for me, and so is writing about characters played by real people. 

There was someone on HF had a policy they would only do fan art for characters that had a game/cartoon/comic version not of actors/actresses portrayed version and I think it might well have been the same mentality behind it. Although, sometimes the thing that sells a cartoon character is a sexy voice in your mind… well, to me anyway.

Edited December 2, 2018 by JayDee
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[swirlingdoubt]

Has anyone found a ratio of how many “dragon prints” to reviews stories get, on average? It seems very stratified, so maybe that wouldn’t be valuable.

I thought it was interesting that I had a rape tag on a fic, but I changed it because it wasn’t really quite the right tag, and noticed the “dragon prints” rate dropped significantly (from about 30 per hour to 30 per 4 or 5 hours).

In addition to the popularity of the subdomain and the tags, I would think the more visibility (or at least visibility to a target audience, even if small) the better chance of a review.

[GeorgeGlass]

The ratio of dragon prints to reviews varies massively by author. At one extreme is BronxWench; for most of her stories, the number of dragon prints is in the hundreds or the low thousands, yet virtually all of them have multiple reviews. Just eyeballing it, I would guess that her average ratio of reviews to prints could be as high as 1 to 100. 

I’m at the other extreme. Most of my stories have print counts in the thousands or tens of thousands. But the absolute number of reviews is relatively low. Again just eyeballing it, I’d say that my average ratio of reviews is probably lower than 1 to 1000.

I would also add that for those stories that I post on other sites as well as AFF, they tend get more reviews on sites with smaller readerships. 

So I have come to conclude that there is actually an inverse correlation between readership size and reviews. My theory is that when readers feel that they are just one of a great many, they are less inclined to leave a review because (1) they don’t feel that it will have much impact on the author and (2) they figure there are plenty of other readers who can leave reviews, so why should they bother? In contrast, readers who feel that they are part of a smaller readership may feel more of a connection with the author, or at least that they are not shouting into the void when they leave a review. 

[JayDee]

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Has anyone found a ratio of how many “dragon prints” to reviews stories get, on average? It seems very stratified, so maybe that wouldn’t be valuable.

I think GeorgeGlass’s reply makes sense, there really is huge variation between authors, even within a specific author’s stories. I have a short five part story in originals finished this year which currently has 2080 prints to 19 reviews (many of them repeats from same reviewers on new chapters) but I also have a Harry Potter oneshot story from 2008 with 104777 dragon prints and only 18 reviews, another from 2007 with 75989 dragon prints and 3 reviews. I would hate to be the statistician to try to make sense of this lot!

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I thought it was interesting that I had a rape tag on a fic, but I changed it because it wasn’t really quite the right tag, and noticed the “dragon prints” rate dropped significantly (from about 30 per hour to 30 per 4 or 5 hours).

In addition to the popularity of the subdomain and the tags, I would think the more visibility (or at least visibility to a target audience, even if small) the better chance of a review.

Rape is gonna be one of those tags people search specifically for, I suspect. You take it off, you lose those searches. Incidently, you’ve probably just gained a few more readers as I think that sort of thing is going to lead to an Archive Mod reviewing the tags shortly

[Desiderius Price]

4 minutes ago, JayDee said:

I think GeorgeGlass’s reply makes sense, there really is huge variation between authors, even within a specific author’s stories. I have a short five part story in originals finished this year which currently has 2080 prints to 19 reviews (many of them repeats from same reviewers on new chapters) but I also have a Harry Potter oneshot story from 2008 with 104777 dragon prints and only 18 reviews, another from 2007 with 75989 dragon prints and 3 reviews. I would hate to be the statistician to try to make sense of this lot!

Hmmm… sounds like a challenge, might do that if I get a chance to look at the site code…  Though I’d probably conclude that there is no real correlation.   And sometimes, it’s a round robin halloween/holiday stories, and I will try to review each one of those.

8 minutes ago, JayDee said:

Rape is gonna be one of those tags people search specifically for, I suspect. You take it off, you lose those searches. Incidently, you’ve probably just gained a few more readers as I think that sort of thing is going to lead to an Archive Mod reviewing the tags shortly

Rape is one of those trigger tags, stands out like Minor1.  Having a shit ton of tags can be a detractor, so I’ve been shifting most of my tags into the top of the story, keeping the major/advertising types (+other) in the summary.   The distinction helps those searching for tags they want to read vs those they just need to know are incidentals (ie isolated  handjobs), I’ll even qualify those incidentals if warranted (ie, why a tag is being applied if its kinda iffy or even “maybe/anticipated”).

[swirlingdoubt]

15 minutes ago, JayDee said:

I think GeorgeGlass’s reply makes sense, there really is huge variation between authors, even within a specific author’s stories. I have a short five part story in originals finished this year which currently has 2080 prints to 19 reviews (many of them repeats from same reviewers on new chapters) but I also have a Harry Potter oneshot story from 2008 with 104777 dragon prints and only 18 reviews, another from 2007 with 75989 dragon prints and 3 reviews. I would hate to be the statistician to try to make sense of this lot!

Rape is gonna be one of those tags people search specifically for, I suspect. You take it off, you lose those searches. Incidently, you’ve probably just gained a few more readers as I think that sort of thing is going to lead to an Archive Mod reviewing the tags shortly

Ha, I was trying to figure out how the tags worked since it is the first time I have posted anything. I found this forum very helpful and I had to go back and fix the archive submission after I understood it better.

I honestly don’t want higher views because people think there is rape in it. I tried to be as accurate as possible with the tags given. There is a thread about this, I saw, so I might ask more questions over there.

[swirlingdoubt]

11 minutes ago, Desiderius Price said:

Hmmm… sounds like a challenge, might do that if I get a chance to look at the site code…  Though I’d probably conclude that there is no real correlation.   And sometimes, it’s a round robin halloween/holiday stories, and I will try to review each one of those.

Rape is one of those trigger tags, stands out like Minor1.  Having a shit ton of tags can be a detractor, so I’ve been shifting most of my tags into the top of the story, keeping the major/advertising types (+other) in the summary.   The distinction helps those searching for tags they want to read vs those they just need to know are incidentals (ie isolated  handjobs), I’ll even qualify those incidentals if warranted (ie, why a tag is being applied if its kinda iffy or even “maybe/anticipated”).

If you do a statistical analysis comparing views:reviews by author, cross-referencing genre, sub domain, and tags, that would be worthy of a PowerPoint presentation, or a leaderboard. 

I am going on a review campaign. 10K views deserves reviews.

[Desiderius Price]

2 minutes ago, swirlingdoubt said:

Ha, I was trying to figure out how the tags worked since it is the first time I have posted anything. I found this forum very helpful and I had to go back and fix the archive submission after I understood it better.

I honestly don’t want higher views because people think there is rape in it. I tried to be as accurate as possible with the tags given. There is a thread about this, I saw, so I might ask more questions over there.

The mods definitely appreciate you fixing it before they notice it.  

I’ve been mulling over the best way to balance disclosure vs advertising vs not-spoiling the story for ages on this, because the reader must be warned before they encounter (say [xeno]).  If, for instance, a small section, one scene for a 500+kword story, well that [xeno] tag might be disappointing to a reader expecting it, and it’s a bit of a spoiler if you weren’t wanting to disclose that there were indeed aliens showing up in the story.  But the good rule of thumb, around here, is when in doubt, tag it in, because they are first and foremost, a warning.  At the top of my stories, I will qualify if the tag is an incidental or questionable (ie, I’ll list minor1 if an underage kid is merely naked, regardless of whether he/she is sexual or not, it’s enough of a trigger).

[Desiderius Price]

Just now, swirlingdoubt said:

If you do a statistical analysis comparing views:reviews by author, cross-referencing genre, sub domain, and tags, that would be worthy of a PowerPoint presentation, or a leaderboard. 

I am going on a review campaign. 10K views deserves reviews.

Do that.  My best story is nearing 10k… fingers crossed, should be there before the end of the month.  As mine are in originals, that’s a double whammy because originals are under-read compared to some of the other genres.

[JayDee]

Depends on the original. Male Male with a vampire, werewolf or real estate agent you’re probably good to go.

[Desiderius Price]

28 minutes ago, Desiderius Price said:

Rape is one of those trigger tags, stands out like Minor1.  Having a shit ton of tags can be a detractor, so I’ve been shifting most of my tags into the top of the story, keeping the major/advertising types (+other) in the summary.   The distinction helps those searching for tags they want to read vs those they just need to know are incidentals (ie isolated  handjobs), I’ll even qualify those incidentals if warranted (ie, why a tag is being applied if its kinda iffy or even “maybe/anticipated”).

I need to mention the other reason for tags, it can be illegal to access certain materials on this website from other countries.  Minor1/2 are such tags, JayDee could elaborate on this.

[Desiderius Price]

9 minutes ago, JayDee said:

Depends on the original. Male Male with a vampire, werewolf or real estate agent you’re probably good to go.

Whereas, I’m doing sci-fi… well, in the near future, close enough that I don’t always categorize it in sci-fi.  And I’ve got that pesky minor1 tag, keeps creeping in, which I realized was unavoidable once I go “nudist camp/colony” with families.

[swirlingdoubt]

18 minutes ago, Desiderius Price said:

The mods definitely appreciate you fixing it before they notice it.  

I’ve been mulling over the best way to balance disclosure vs advertising vs not-spoiling the story for ages on this, because the reader must be warned before they encounter (say [xeno]).  If, for instance, a small section, one scene for a 500+kword story, well that [xeno] tag might be disappointing to a reader expecting it, and it’s a bit of a spoiler if you weren’t wanting to disclose that there were indeed aliens showing up in the story.  But the good rule of thumb, around here, is when in doubt, tag it in, because they are first and foremost, a warning.  At the top of my stories, I will qualify if the tag is an incidental or questionable (ie, I’ll list minor1 if an underage kid is merely naked, regardless of whether he/she is sexual or not, it’s enough of a trigger).

Thank you for the info. I added some additional warnings and put the rape tag back in, just to cover the bases. I don’t think I went terribly over a line for the context but you never know.  Like you say, it is a tough balance when you could potentially mislead people in different directions, either false advertising or not warning them enough.

Is your 10K one Jefferey? That one did catch my eye because you seemed to be very happy with it in your Promote thread. Sci-Fi is one of my favorite genres so I will read a few others, too.

[JayDee]

1 hour ago, Desiderius Price said:

I need to mention the other reason for tags, it can be illegal to access certain materials on this website from other countries.  Minor1/2 are such tags, JayDee could elaborate on this.

Not really any need to elabroate, you’ve pretty much covered it! In some jurisdictions Minor1 and other concent is illegal to view even in text or drawn form so it is very useful to have the tags to avoid legal trouble aside from tigger factors [Edit: Trigger factors. Typo, not a Winnie the Pooh ref.] or personal ickyness factors. It’s also why I raised picture hotlinks appearing in the forum  – I think I suggested that they should instead just have a link to content with description, and the forum adapted the current policy as the most workable.

1 hour ago, Desiderius Price said:

Whereas, I’m doing sci-fi… well, in the near future, close enough that I don’t always categorize it in sci-fi.  And I’ve got that pesky minor1 tag, keeps creeping in, which I realized was unavoidable once I go “nudist camp/colony” with families. 

Sci-fi doesn’t have to be in the future though, It really depends which elements you include. Same as fantasy doesn’t have to be in the past with a map and such. All you need is a Gorgon trying to get her hair tamed in time for the commuter train into the city. “Yeah, I had another groper today. My bush bit him right on the fingers.”

1 hour ago, swirlingdoubt said:

Thank you for the info. I added some additional warnings and put the rape tag back in, just to cover the bases.

 

I had a quick scan through and that’s… that's probably for the best. I’ll do a full read/review later.

Edited July 8, 2018 by JayDee

[swirlingdoubt]

5 minutes ago, JayDee said:

Not really any need to elabroate, you’ve pretty much covered it! In some jurisdictions Minor1 and other concent is illegal to view even in text or drawn form so it is very useful to have the tags to avoid legal trouble aside from tigger factors or personal ickyness factors. It’s also why I raised picture hotlinks appearing in the forum  – I think I suggested that they should instead just have a link to content with description, and the forum adapted the current policy as the most workable.

Sci-fi doesn’t have to be in the future though, It really depends while elements you include. Same as fantasy doesn’t have to be in the past with a map and such. All you need is a Gorgon trying to get her hair tamed in time for the commuter train into the city. “Yeah, I had another groper today. My bush bit him right on the fingers.”

I had a quick scan through and that’s… that's probably for the best. I’ll do a full read/review later.

 I read Spoiled Meat and I think I am pretty tame.  

Thank you for offering to read/review.

[JayDee]

1 hour ago, swirlingdoubt said:

 I read Spoiled Meat and I think I am pretty tame. 

It was definitely for the best for Spoiled Meat to have a Rape tag, or whatever AFF had at the time instead of Rape. I believe the tag evolved something like NC to RapeFic to current Rape and was updated each time on stories because of the importance of warning tags. There’s arguments that can be made that some of my older stories are undertagged, or tagged in ways that they wouldn’t be today but this is because over the last ten years some tags have been added/changed or even removed since then and it’s too big a job to keep lesser story tags all updated. On Spoiled Meat, for example, the more recent Hum tag suits better than Xeno, given he’s ultimately a man with a mutation-like skin condition.

Ultimately the relevence to the topic before we get too far afield is that some tags will bring in readers, some will repel readers and some will bring in readers but not make them want to leave positive reviews to associate them with the content.

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Thank you for offering to read/review.

No problem! It will be later today so I don’t have half a dozen things distracting me as I read, and of course if you want you can start a review reply thread and link it in your story for other reviewers (like Mine for my original stories, here have replied to your review and thank you!), s’what a lot of us do so reviewers can see replies 

Edited July 8, 2018 by JayDee