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Yeah, but picking fights and fighting monsters all sort of fall back to Shirou's "Hero of Justice" mentality, which comes first. Sex and otherwise dealing with women is something different. Even in canon, Shirou is fairly casual about getting into fights and almost dying, but he kind of freaks out about females, like when Saber wants to sleep in the same room as him. Being confident fighting monsters probably won't translate well to dealing with other people. On the other hand, while he should start out being totally out of his element, as the Gamer, he should also develop a bunch of skills that put him progressively more in control of the situation.

Actually, now that I think about it, since you're doing bad ends and using Morrigan for at least one, do you have plans for any other kind of monster girls to show up?

Well, like you said, Gamer stories start slow, so already being familiar with the concept, there's not too much new to react to. I am glad to see a clever reason for leveling Charisma, one that I hadn't thought about, along with the different twists you've added in, like the "special areas." I'm also looking forward to seeing how his Reputation stands with different people. One joking thought that occurred to me was that, with these new stats, Shirou should have no problem getting over that high-jump bar. Two things did occur to me. First, if Shirou can see peoples' status and titles, then that could kill the surprise of certain things, like realizing Rin and Sakura are magi before talking to them, or seeing Gilgamesh around town and figuring out he's not human. Second, I noticed you didn't give Shirou the Gamer's Mind, which would protect him from negative emotional and mental effects. Was that intentional, given the trauma from the fire, or intended to be used in the future, so that he wouldn't have an inherent resistance to hypnosis? Overall, it's off to a promising start, and I look forward to seeing more.

For my part, I'll phrase it this way: can we assume that, if a Servant has appeared in any Fate work (excluding ones that are other TM characters showing up, like Arcueid in Extra and Ryougi Shiki in Extra and Grand Order), they can be summoned in this case, even if it breaks the standard rules for the Fuyuki Grail? Like summoning Kiyohime even though eastern Heroic Spirits aren't supposed to be able to be summoned, or summoning Stheno and/or Euryale even though they're technically goddesses and divine beings aren't supposed to be able to be summoned.

Well, really, the married with a son part is probably the most restrictive part. For all the requirements in the strictest form but playing a little fast and loose with the son's age, there's Momoko from Nanoha, though her son is her step-son, Mari from The World God Only Knows, Rinko from Gundam Build Fighters, Ringo from To Love-Ru, Masaki from Bleach, Kushina and Mikoto from Naruto, and Kallen and Naoto's unnamed mother from Code Geass. Loosening up those requirements, I might suggest Trisha from Fullmetal Alchemist, Marianne from Code Geass, Yuriko from Highschool of the Dead, Lindy and Presea from Nanoha, Grayfia and Venelana from High School DxD, Akasha, Gyokuro, Tsurara, and Ageha from Rosario+Vampire, and Tearju, Ryoko, and Sephie from To Love-Ru.

I think I vaguely remember some mention in the VN that the classes getting changed up from war to war was a thing that would happen, and that the Fifth War having the same classes as the Fourth was a coincidence? But there have been enough retcons on various subjects that I don't think it matters. I think the last rule I remember hearing about the classes in the Fuyuki Grail War was that the three Knight classes had to be summoned, and the other four were up in the air. As for Arcueid...well, it was Extra, so it was weird on its own, and her showing up was basically just fanservice, but I think it just came down to her Master in Extra being really, really incompetent. So incompetent, in fact, that he couldn't understand what she was supposed to be, made her a Berserker and put her under a Mad Enhancement that had negative effects equal to A-rank with benefits equal to C-rank. Something came out that her original class was supposed to be "Funny Vamp" in the original Japanese, but got localized in English as Temptress.

Typically, from what I've seen, when talking about additional classes beyond the base 7, yeah, people default to Shielder and Ruler. Next would be Avenger, if you wanted to go that route. Other things that have appeared in canon works were Arcueid's original class in Extra being Temptress, Ryougi Shiki showing up in Extra as Monster, the final boss being Saver, and I believe in Prototype there was a Beast class. Billy the Kid's profile from Grand Order references a Gunner class that has never shown up in canon materials, and the next most common idea I've heard of would be a martial artist Servant, possibly something like Striker? Actually, how loose are you playing the rules of Servants with this? For the Fuyuki Grail, technically there are restrictions that make it so gods and eastern heroes can't be summoned. Is there any intent to follow those rules, or are you treating it more like Grand Order and just working with whatever you feel like having in? After the Servants, there would be the question of Masters. There's the obvious ones, Shirou, Rin, Sakura, and Illya, which leaves another 11. Less, if you go the route FSN did and have the Caster also be a Master. Bazett, if you keep her and don't have her get shanked by Kirei, makes 10. I might also suggest Ayaka, Manaka, Luvia, Fiore, Misaya, and/or Gray. Obviously any other magus or person unscrupulous enough to have their Servant feed on people would also work. As for male Masters to die brutally, there's always Shinji, Zouken, and Medea's original Master around, plus anyone else from other sources. The Grail shard concept is interesting. Did you plan to have a set number of shards to gather? And are there actual restrictions about how they transfer, like that it has to be a result of a fight? If not, that opens up doors for a lot of different situations. Giving away shards, ransoming people for them, wagering them, using them for negotiations or collateral...the possibilities are endless.

Parents aren't supposed to have favorites, but Lily was always Harry's favorite, and she largely reciprocated that. Only, daddy's little princess turned out to be a bit shy of mentally well, and she got obsessive over him, right up until something happened that ruined things for her. Either something happened that destroyed their relationship or something happened to Harry, but he was gone from her life, and Lily couldn't have that. An idea came to her, that no reasonable person would entertain: she'd often been told that she resembled her paternal grandmother more than even her own mother, both in appearance and in general behavior. So Lily dedicated herself to finding a way to go back to Halloween 1981, with the intention of taking over the role of Lily Potter, Harry's mother. She knows enough about Voldemort to be able to arrange the destruction of his Horcruxes to remove him as a future threat, so she'll be free to raise Harry in happiness and safety, teaching him all he needs to know, and making sure he LOVES her. Harry's daughter, Lily, goes back in time to take the place of his mother, and raises him to love her over all others. He can have whatever side girls he wants, particularly once he goes to Hogwarts and is away from her for months at a time, but she's number one.

So this could go here or under Books, I put it here because this section seems to get more traffic. This presumes that Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen. In an AU where things went differently, Aerys died, and Rhaegar lived to ascend to the Iron Throne. Robert's Rebellion was defeated, the kingdoms more or less stabilized, and most people wound up basically going home and calling it a day. Jon (and Lyanna, if she survived) is brought to King's Landing, where he belongs as the son of the king. Unfortunately, because he's not the "Visenya" that Rhaegar wanted, he's basically the unfavorite. Even if she survived the difficult birth, Lyanna isn't going to be having anymore children, which means that, bluntly speaking, half the reason for the war is gone. Not to say that they're not cared for, as befits their stations, but Rhaegar just wants nothing to do with them, and a lot of people around all look at Jon as the cause of the war. But Elia Martell doesn't quite look at things that way. Sure, she's not happy to have a living reminder of how her husband shamed her around, but of all the people she can blame for that situation and the war, Jon isn't one of them, since his only sin was being born. On top of that, she knows, from her own family and from lookin at history, how important a good relationship between highborn siblings can be. Namely, she wants to avoid another Blackfyre situation, so she treats Jon fairly, though not lovingly, and encourages her children to be close to their half-brother. If Lyanna survived, obviously some tension exists between the two, but they also have some common ground; mostly disillusionment with Rhaegar and his obsession with prophecy, as well as love for their children and siblings. I actually imagine something happening to Jon, like he gets sick, and Lyanna panics because she doesn't know what to do, only to wind up begging Elia for help. They don't like each other, by any stretch, but they can manage to get along. It helps that they both know they'd prefer it if Lyanna could just take Jon and go home to Winterfell. Aegon likes to emulate his father, so he basically pretends Jon isn't around most of the time. Rhaenys is more free thinking and happy to have him around. She actually prefers him to Aegon, mostly because she can't get away from Aegon, but her relationship with Jon is largely a choice, and they both know that. As a result, Jon winds up spending a lot of time with Rhaenys trying to impress her and keep her happy, both because she's older and wiser AND because she's gone weeks without talking to him when he upsets her. By the time they start growing up, they've basically gone full Targaryen. Jon is Rhaenys's, and they both refuse separation. Of course, it doesn't help that Jon, while unfavorite, is still a member of the royal family and a valuable bargaining chip with the Seven Kingdoms. The Tyrells have had their eyes on a royal marriage for ages, and a marriage might well serve to bring the Iron Islands or the North back into the fold. Margaery Tyrell, Asha Greyjoy, or even one of the Stark daughters are all viable candidates. Jon lives as a Targaryen in King's Landing, and winds up in a soft sub/dom relationship with Rhaenys, while he's also expected to be used to tie another family to the royals. Of course Daenerys can also be around and have similar attachment issues with her nephew. And if Lyanna survived, well, Jon is the only other wolf around, wolves stick together, and he's basically all she has left at a certain point. I also have this weird thought of Aegon being a girl who resents her place. She's Visenya, but wants to be Aegon, the "Prince who was Promised," heir to the throne. She refuses to stop trying to be a prince, dressing like it, wearing her hair short, etc., and resents Jon for actually being what she wants to be and not being bad enough to really hate. He's the crown prince, good at princely things like fighting and riding, Rhaenys likes him better, and worst of all, he's always being so disgustingly kind to her. He only ever tries to be the best brother he can, he never does anything to justify her anger at him, so she's perpetually angry at him and herself, while loving her only brother dearly. When she finally has her first period, she has a meltdown that winds up with her going to him and basically raping him while raging about how she doesn't like who she is. She eventually provokes him to angrily force himself on her, which makes her happy because he "finally did something wrong." Then she decides that she'll make sure to put Jon on the Iron Throne, so that they and Rhaenys can rule the Seven Kingdoms together.

Since Shirou in at least Archer's timeline grew another 20 cm after the age of 17, I kind of see him as a bit of a late bloomer in height. Given at 13 or 14 he'd be fairly early in puberty, I'd say he's probably at least 10 cm shorter, if not more. He's at least shorter than Rin or Luvia, probably Sakura, too. Semiramis might start liking him when she figured out he has no desire for the Grail and is eager to help and serve her and Fiore, at least in non-violent circumstances. His help frees her up from helping her Master around, since they don't have any hired help around to do things for them. Kissing is low-tier. It's no problem for Semiramis to lay one on him, much less leaving him hot and bothered by showing off her tongue's skill. Maybe. Saber would make no bones about her intention of sleeping in the same bed as Shirou. Mordred, if she were going for it, would probably try sneaking in to get him and take him for herself. After a few tries, some almost successful, Saber might decide the only way to be certain of where Mordred is is to just let her into the bed. Then they're both right there, both know exactly what's going on. Of course, then that turns around when each of them tries to dom the other, to establish the pecking order. Mordred successfully doms Saber, "proving" she is a worthy heir. Then Saber Alter doms Mordred, putting her in her place, up to and including putting her in a pretty, frilly princess gown and having Shirou fuck the shit out of her in it. Hmm...Luvia could come to Fuyuki early to prepare, moving in like she does in Prisma Illya. Of course, she'd quickly establish a rivalry with Rin, but since they're the only peer the other really has in the area, they'd probably get together for things like physical sparring, especially for the excuse to beat each other up. Shirou comes along to be Rin's "manager," Luvia gets curious, and eventually decides since Rin likes him so much, she might as well try and take him away. They wind up betting him temporarily on the outcome of some match that Luvia wins, and she figures out that she wants this kid, too, not just because Rin likes him. The "management" covers things like bandaging wounds, rubbing sore muscles, and cleaning the sweat off their bodies.

Probably something like what Aphrodite has going on in the Percy Jackson series, of appearing different to everyone who looks at her, but always as whatever that person considers the most beautiful woman they've ever seen, except when she specifically chooses what she wants to appear as, like if she decided to appear to Godou as someone that he knows. But she would also be kind of like what other Heretic Gods are like, in that she'd be so perfect as to be unnerving and inhuman. For a standard, as far as her build, she'd be built for sex: large, impossibly perky, perfectly shaped breasts, an ass that makes for the most perfectly lush and soft pillow imaginable, while paradoxically being so tight you could bounce a quarter off it, and legs that go on forever. Exact sizes and her height would vary depending on individual preferences of the person involved, namely Godou. Other features, like hair and eye color would probably be the things that are most variable. Like, she might have hair similar to Liliana's, eyes like Erica's, Yuri's facial structure, and Ena's body, but then all of those might change depending on his thoughts, and it would seem perfectly natural to anyone looking because of her Authorities. Athena would probably at least know of her, whether they are personally acquainted is another matter. If they were, they'd probably dislike each other, from a difference in priorities in life, and their stations. And stealing Athena's "opponent" probably wouldn't help their relationship. Hell, she might actually be the one who comes and interferes and manages to help Godou get free of her control.

Length...I'm not really sure, I'm lousy at estimations and have no idea how long it would take to make it decent. Detail, more is better. Taking a look at your stories posted here, at least as detailed as your HotD story, I guess? More if you can manage it. And chapters might be the best way to handle it. Maybe do one or two for each person/pairing, depending on how it turns out. And however you would want to do it works, but personally, if it doesn't quite line up as a chapter-by-chapter story, I'm fine with a bunch of loosely connected stories that all take place in the same storyline and are connected, but don't necessarily impact each other. And thanks for the interest! EDIT: Also, some degree of impregnation would be a solid bonus. Doesn't much matter who, although making it taboo (incestuous, with a nun, cheating on his wife, etc.) is nice.

1. I mean, we have 2 ideas of what an adult Illya might look like, Archerko and Irisviel. Either one works. Well, he'd never get the chance to bathe alone if she was in the same house as him, for one thing. Other standard anime fanservice type things, sucking on vanilla popsicles, incredibly revealing clothing, acting very clingy, holding him on her lap, climbing in bed with him while of course sleeping nude. And frankly, I imagine Kuro having a certain philosophy on underwear; namely, either you wear it to show off and therefore wear nothing else or take off whatever else you're wearing quickly, or you don't bother wearing it at all. And the sexy lingerie is more for seduction and the bedroom, so she just doesn't bother with any kind of underwear, resulting in Shirou seeing anything and everything, frequently. Rin is used to being the one doing the teasing. She's good at offense, not so much at defense. Plus Kuro at least theoretically has some knowledge of Rin Tohsaka, where Rin knows nothing about her Servant. All of which gives Shirou a new experience, watching Rin being completely outdone by someone. There's some level of awe and respect, awe for someone who is qualified as a Heroic Spirit (however loosely) and respect for her out-teasing Rin. Some outright blatant lust, because duh. Plus probably a lot of gratitude if she helps him figure out his magecraft. 2. Probably. I mean, as I recall, Shirou usually acknowledged how amazing the Servants all were, even if he was talking about how much he disliked whichever one he was talking about. Things like how beautiful Rider was, how Gilgamesh looks like a model... So even distrusting her, he'd probably recognize that Semiramis is incredibly beautiful and be attracted to that. If she's actually making an attempt to seduce him, yeah, he'd probably be unspeakably horny. Throw in any aphrodisiacs or magecraft she uses, and being in the same room as her would probably make him hard. Owing to a lack of minions to do it for her, yes, she probably would. But until either she started to like Shirou or he showed that he was a tough nut to crack, she'd probably keep some distance, restrict it to hand or footjobs. Then if she started to like him or realized that, no, he's not submitting, she'd move on. Plausibly. It's an issue of striking the balance between wanting to maintain absolute control of the situation by being the only one Shirou is developing dependence on, and doubling up his emotional attachments. She could just play it up to work both, sort of an "I'm a Servant, I can't be here forever, it would be nice if you two could look after each other if something happens to me." 3. Generally less saint-like behavior. Less modesty, more sin. Possibly get to complaining about plain underwear while showing it off to Shirou, followed by dragging him on a shopping trip to get better things, which he is expected to judge and carry. She enjoys his company because he's fun to tease and a good person. Plus he helps deal with an increasingly erratic and wicked Jeanne and Gil-ko. Sexually, as a masochist, she gets off even when he is forced to rape her, and when she's in charge...well, Shirou has a lot of practice in submitting to women and making them feel good.

Most likely. I mean, she's essentially a clone of Illya, so any concept of an adult Illya, just with Kuro's coloring, works. Although she might still favor an outfit like what she wears in Prisma than Archer's actual gear. Semiramis...I figure that, given her history and role, she's good at reading people, especially men, and they've plausibly been keeping an eye on all the participants of the War. Enough that she could pick up on the fact that Shirou has never had a mother. He's never really had any issues about it, but he's also never experienced it in his memory, so a) he has no context to long for it, and b) he has no immunity for it built up. Plus, he's only ever really been around girls, not women. I imagine a combination of emphasizing that, along with acting motherly while (since Shirou doesn't know any better), blurring the lines. She also has ridiculous magical ability within the Hanging Gardens and complete control of poisons within the throne room, so she could easily make use of those. Aphrodisiacs, hallucinogens, most anything that could be used to coerce someone could be considered a kind of poison within her abilities. It all works fairly well for a bit of brainwashing. Make sure he's never quite completely lucid and in a near constant state of arousal while being prevented from relieving himself and kept in reasonably unpleasant surroundings. Then Semiramis comes in, providing food, comfort, warmth, and some sexual release. Throw in some dreams reinforcing the "Semiramis good, obey her" message, and he'd be hers before too long. Outfit, nothing. Scathach'd have it easy because she's experienced, and she's dealing with a pubescent male in a life-threatening situation. And if she felt the need, she could always pull the "I'll teach you some things for you to use with those girls of yours" card.

Don't see why Fiore couldn't be a Master, makes as much sense as alternative. More, really, what with Darnic having fought in the Third War. The trick is, for people who don't have some kind of personal interest in Shirou (like Rin, Sakura, and Illya all do), they'd need some reason to take an approach other than "Kill the Servant, possibly/probably the Master, too." Really, a Servant capable of lasting after Shirou died and strong enough in that condition to make killing Shirou and drawing his Servant's wrath too dangerous to risk, and strong enough to not just be able to defeat. For the others...yeah, Bazett getting Scathach as Lancer makes the most sense. Illya having Mordred as Berserker is solid. So that leaves Rider, Assassin, Archer, Saber, and Caster. Fiore dislikes conflict, so probably a Servant that avoids direct combat like an Assassin or Caster, Luvia would probably be all about getting right up into battle, so either Archer, Saber, or Rider. Plus they're both in much better positions to get catalysts than either Rin or Sakura. Fiore probably winds up with Semiramis in her double-class form as Assassin. Sakura compensates for her lack of skill by summoning a Caster, either winding up with Tamamo, going through Zouken's stuff and getting Medusa as a Caster, or summoning Medea (or Medea Lily). So Rider, Archer, and Saber are split between Shirou, Rin, and Luvia. Not a lot of Archer options, basically Archerko and Atalanta. Between the three of them, yeah, Rin probably gets Archerko and gets driven crazy by her. Or maybe a heroic spiritified Kuro from Prisma, either grown or as she is in Prisma. Riders aren't AS limited, but still not a lot, even with Grand Order, so thinking about someone that would meet Luvia's standards for a Servant, I propose an alternative: one of the Sabers from GO, Atilla. Because the Huns were all about their horses, so any attempt to claim she couldn't be a Rider is horse shit, pun intended. And Shirou with Avalon is almost guaranteed to get Arturia as Saber, and in this line-up, nobody is invulnerable enough to just not care about Excalibur. The piled up irregularities could provoke a response from the Grail, or something Zouken and/or Kirei did before their deaths could cause a fail-safe to activate and have the Grail produce a Ruler in Jeanne. She winds up working with Caren, since they have similar goals. Although, considering Angra Mainyu, Jeanne could appear blackened, or partially so. Like she starts out normal, but with wicked thoughts in back of her head that she ignores, then as things happen that lead her down that direction, she gets more and more corrupted, until she's fully blackened. If Gil-ko is still hanging around the church even with Kirei gone, maybe keeping an eye on his daughter, she'd probably encourage the process, for shits and giggles. Actually, Saber could wind up like that, too, after the Fourth War. Kind of like Moczo's Chaos Theory fic. Above-board, she's still same noble Saber, a bit more angry and aggressive, but below the surface, all the wicked, selfish thoughts are bubbling up. Of course this boy should attend to her properly, she is a king. Oh, and he's Kiritsugu's son? Well, a good child should pay the debts their parent leaves behind. Those two girls are sisters and are using this War to try and kill each other over her Master? She should simplify things, take the boy and kill them both. And by the end, she's fully Saber Alter, and she's concluded that her original wish is worthless, so she'll just take advantage of the opportunity to enjoy life, sit around, eat good food, play with her servant boy, and generally do whatever she wants, and anyone who aims to disturb that should be prepared to die. Luvia would only really need the knowledge that Rin wants Shirou to go after him and prove her superiority. Plus, Arturia and Atilla would probably be unstoppable by the rest of the Servants, so she'd try and get them both to want to team up. In the process, Luvia finds out how well-trained Shirou is, only to find out that Saber considers herself in charge of him now. Of course, for proper compensation (good enough food), Luvia and her Servant can borrow Saber's pet. Luvia thinks it's great, Atilla glad to have a proper serving boy. Or Illya takes Shirou. The only issue between the sides once the Kiritsugu thing is cleared up is with Saber and Mordred, but the Masters force them to talk instead of fighting. Mordred is still angry and resentful, though, looking for something to get one over on Saber. Then Shirou mistakes her for Saber in some circumstance, a bath or something, and gives her the same kind of treatment he's been giving Saber. She's embarrassed, but loves it and decides she'll beat Saber by making Shirou like her better. Of course, she'll need Illya's permission to pursue her little brother, and if getting it and beating Saber requires working with and sharing with Illya and the maids, well, Team Homunculus is a go! Sakura and Rin are focusing on winning the War/beating each other, rather than Shirou. But Kuro extracted an agreement out of Rin that, when the fighting was done, before claiming the Grail or anything, SHE'D get a day of Shirou, doing whatever she wants with him. A hard bargain, but since it actually made Kuro willing to put in effort, it was worth it, especially since it seemed like she'd pull Rin in, with how she acted. Sakura is having her Caster keep an eye on Shirou, enough that the Caster in question is interested in him. In light of Saber's Magic Resistance, she's also looking at what might be necessary to convince him to choose her so Saber doesn't kill her. Well, Caster's sure Sakura won't mind if she gets involved, since she won't be around after the War. Maybe she can do something about Rin, too, maybe get her bound to serve Sakura after the War? That would make her Master happy. Bazett and Fiore are the ones who aren't after that. They recognize Shirou's value, with Saber as possibly the strongest Servant, and with most of the other Masters kind of fixating on him, but they're a bit unnerved by the way people are lusting after this young boy. Their Servants on the other hand...the way Scathach sees it, if he's old enough to fight and die in the Holy Grail War, he's certainly old enough to fuck. Plus, she's a bit curious about why those girls ARE so fixated on him. Not to mention it would just be pitiful if he died in the War having only known those two little girls and not a real woman like her. She tries to get Bazett in because she "needs to loosen up." Semiramis fully believes getting Shirou, and by extension Saber, is the best possible move, and that almost anything would be worth it. And, seducing a child should be easy enough, even if he distrusts HER since she's Assassin, even her innocent Master should be capable of managing, especially with how she's seen him act. Shirou does wind up spending a lot of time with Fiore, only his natural helpful tendencies, her handicap, and what is now habitual behavior from his time with Rin and Sakura leaves her a gasping, quivering mess. He subbed so hard for her that he wound up domming her. If he goes to the church, Gil-ko winds up taking him. Partly to experience the man Saber thought was good enough, partly for fun, and partly to mess with Jeanne and Caren. Driving the corruption in Jeanne wild, provoking her to have sex with him, just to see when she breaks. And Caren? Well, she makes the mistake of laughing about something one too many times. Gil-ko knows Caren doesn't care that much about her own life, that she can't really threaten her with death. But she can threaten Shirou. Ironically, she has to threaten both Shirou AND Caren with the other's death, but she forces it both ways, making Shirou rape Caren, and vice versa, right on the altar.

Gasper, as has come out in recent volumes, has a female childhood friend who was the one who started dressing him like a girl. Apparently, they have such an advanced relationship she winds up staying in his box with him, which we all know is just shy of a marriage proposal. Having gotten into their relationship, though, they soon realize a problem: to put it bluntly, Gasper can't get it up. After multiple failed attempts, using drugs, toys, magic, porn, something finally helps them figure out what the problem is: Gasper's long-standing admiration for/crush on Issei. With some cautious and secretive experimentation, they decide to ask Issei for help. First they try just having him watch, but that's not enough. They move on to the more drastic idea of having Issei fuck Valerie while Gasper watches before he steps in. That kind of works, in that Gasper gets it up, but it's not enough, since he winds up losing it just after Issei is no longer involved (though it did help relieve Gasper after having had this problem for quite a while; he wasn't even able to touch himself before the sight of Issei and Valerie together made him cum harder than ever before). So the final step, having Issei stay involved. But Valerie doesn't really want to have two dicks in her at the same time, and Gasper certainly doesn't want her to do something she doesn't want when he sees it as his fault. Solution: Issei fucks Gasper up the ass while Gasper fucks Valerie. It works out, since, for Issei, a) Gasper is as cute as any girl, b) he gets to help out his kouhai, and c) Gasper is dressed up in lingerie as lewd as anything Akeno has ever worn. And Gasper winds up being harder than he's ever been in his entire life. Gasper can't get it up for Valerie. Issei helps a friend out by fucking him up the ass so he can stay hard to please his girl. The fact that Gasper's always wanted this is a fringe benefit.

If Fiore has talent for spiritual evocation, having an interest in the greatest example of spirits manifesting, the Servants of the Holy Grail War makes sense. And between Rin the proude genius and Shirou the overly nice failure, he would be easier to approach. Plus he could sympathize with her refusing to give up magecraft in spite of how it effects her, given how he trained his magecraft for years and how he clings to becoming a hero despite seeing how it could turn out. And if it's a situation where Saber has given up on the Grail and gone on to Avalon, as in Fate and UBW, she wouldn't be available to summon since she wouldn't go to the Throne. So presuming UBW and having Avalon as a catalyst, it's basically going to revert to someone else from Camelot that had some contact with it, along with possibly being influenced by the summoner(s), so with Shirou probably aiming for "someone like Saber," Mordred is a reasonable outcome. And Shirou would have an advantage of personally knowing Saber and some of her feelings on the whole situation. Jeanne...if she were Ruler, and acting to try and preserve the situation, to make sure to minimize casualties, Shirou would definitely work with her to keep to that goal. Then his usual harem protagonist tendencies would take over and help her fall for him. Main issue is dealing with the justification, namely, if a Grail War is going on, who else is involved and why isn't everybody busy killing each other?

Mostly because a) the problems of Issei doing mind-breaking were brought up, and b) those situations were described as things Rias got into herself, instead of something her parents set up that she repeatedly and vehemently opposed at every turn. There's a huge difference between Rias being desperate enough to make such an arrangement of her own free will, and winding up in it because her parents decided she needed to marry who they wanted her to.

LN spoilers for those who've only watched the anime Some Heretic Goddess of love/lust like Aphrodite/Venus descends, looking for an exciting new lover. Other gods are dull, always obsessed with whatever they're doing, and regular people just won't do, so obviously the only choices are the Campiones. Voban is old and wrinkly, she saw how Alec treated Circe, Doni is an idiot and she suspects may be in love with another Campione. John Pluto Smith is too flamboyant, Luo Hao is a prude and just as obsessed with her own interests as any god, and Aisha is an airhead. That leaves Godou: strong enough to have won in his conflicts with several of the others and multiple gods, young enough for her to nurture and guide according to her wishes, and if all the girls he's got are any clue, he's at least less of a meathead than some of the others. Because attacking is never his first response and she's not as direct an opponent as all the gods of war and violence he's faced before, Godou winds up under her influence. Meaning, for some time he's being trained by her to be the best lover he can be, covering every possible position and kink she can think of. And when his girls come looking for him, well, she can get into girls just as well, plus she needed some acolytes and people to fill the empty roles for when she does exhibitionism and 3 or more-somes. But before that, some cheating and dubcon is in order. So Erica, Lilianna, Yuri, and Ena all wind up helplessly watching this goddess and Godou fucking. Then they get pulled in, unable to stop themselves from enjoying every moment of it. Eventually, Godou gets free enough to kill the goddess, but gets her Authority in the process. Passively, it makes whoever he might desire want him at least somewhat and make them more prone to arousal. Enough time spent around him in this state would eventually lead to all manner of wet dreams and fantasies. Actively, it winds up with a result more like the main character's eyes in this manga: http://www.mangahere.co/manga/shishunki_na_adam/ Namely, spontaneous arousal/orgasm, to such an extent that they'll do whatever he wants. Of course, for the usual 4, they'd do that anyway, and gods and other Campiones can obviously resist it to the same extent they could any other authority. But it's still there, waiting for them to let their guard down... And, as a possibly but not necessarily separate idea, Sayanomiya Kaoru is under pressure. As the heir of her family, it is her duty to eventually have a child to succeed her. Given their outdated standards, at 18, many feel she's taking much too long, especially in light of her openly dating girls. So the pressure comes down from on high, telling her that a suitable husband will be found for her and she will marry him and have a child promptly. Of course she doesn't want that, given their standards of "suitable," so she does whatever she can to avoid it. Unfortunately, all of her immediate plans get cut off, leaving her with only one option: making liberal use of Godou's position and power to get out of the proposed marriage by claiming to also be his lover. After all, who could claim to be more suitable than a Campione? That backfires she gets told that, okay, she doesn't have to get married, what's marriage matter to a godslayer, anyway? But the need for an heir is still present. Only now, she's expected to give birth to Godou's child. Now Kaoru, who never really had any interest in men, has to go to him and tell him that she needs him to impregnate her. Then they get down to business, only for Kaoru to find out that maybe men, or at least Godou, are okay after all.

For Menace, the idea of doing something purely for Shirou's pleasure might just not occur to her as something to do. Like, she's aware that blowjobs and whatever else are a thing, but the thought of doing it herself just doesn't click. After all, she is a queen. Melona is good at what she does, along with having a lot of experience, considering how old she's sometimes implied to be. Airi is also good, but because she feels that it is her duty as a maid. Whether she has any actual experience is up in the air. Once the Swamp Witch had her say, Airi would probably be the only one with totally free access to him, since she's the only one of the three that's actually really loyal. The others would probably fuck him as much as possible. Menace would be in it purely for the fucking. Airi would enjoy it, but deny that she did and insist she did it only for the energy. Melona would freely admit that she enjoyed it, that she wanted to get as much Holy Milk as possible, and that she just really had fun torturing Shirou. The important thing to remember, though, is that Shirou, when he gets going, has a LUDICROUS tolerance for pain and suffering. He spent years doing something that felt like shoving a hot iron into his spine with no noticeable benefits, he stood up when he was almost cut in half and only held together by swords, he forced his body to continue on and destroy the Greater Grail AFTER HE'D ALREADY DIED...so yeah, it'd take some work to break him down. Might be she starts off "rescuing" him from one of the others, acting all friendly, nice, and warm. Then switches over to cruel and sadistic once he drops his guard. After that, a switch every once in a while, acting as though nothing happened, just back and forth, to make him more fragile. Then some carrot and stick training, until he's trained into "obedience=good, defiance=bad." Although, considering Shirou, it'd most likely wind up needing someone else being punished for his disobedience before he gave in. Eh, she'd probably keep him sometimes, but otherwise, leave him free to be wherever. Most likely with rules about who is and is not allowed to take him with them. And waking him up would probably be different, entirely depending on what she felt like. Although Shirou also typically doesn't sleep much, something like 4 hours a night by the time FSN starts, so he might just get himself up regularly. Yeah, Tracing does include "Imitating the skill of its making" as one of the steps, so at least in theory, there's some level of being able to reproduce the blacksmithing work. But Ymir would probably wind up raging about that, since all he would be able to do would be to reproduce something someone else did, rather than doing anything himself. She might just decide that means he needs to learn proper blacksmithing, just so he doesn't disgrace the art. Although I don't see her using Giant Growth readily, just out of pride. If she can't get what she wants out of Shirou off her own charms or by force, she won't resort to that. Not to say she wouldn't use it at some point when she already had him, just to see what it was like.

Another, actually super simple idea: Kiryuu, being a healthy young woman with needs and desires, wants a man. Unfortunately, most guys her age are a bit weirded out by her behavior and kind of want nothing to do with her. The ones that WOULD, i.e. Matsuda and Motohama, she doesn't want. Then she gets her hands on a devil summoning circle. She doesn't particularly believe in it, but, eh, what the hell. She wishes for a good-looking young male devil to come and fulfill her desires. But in Kuoh, there are only, at most, 5 male devils. Saji is too into Sona to do it. Gasper...no. Kiba is too much of a gentleman/too into Issei. Loup Garou is a complete unknown. Issei, though, is a total perv, and isn't single target with his lust. So he gets to her place, not knowing specifically what kind of wish she's made. Then he finds out and, well, it's a good deal. There's no emotional attachment, she just wants sex, it's practice for the girls he actually has feelings for, and, honestly, Kiryuu is pretty hot and enough of a pervert to be up for trying a bunch of different things. After that, she becomes a constant customer, always summoning Issei and trying out new positions, new toys, new ideas.

Echidna would do whatever seems to entertain her or help her achieve her goals. Alleyne, maybe, but yes, Shirou would be all over destroying Funikura. He'd probably be into what they're wearing at least to some extent, but considering how female warriors tend to dress in Gainos, he'd probably also be fairly used to it. Ymir...it would bug her, but she'd be curious. After all, he can replicate any weapon he sees instantly. She might go after him about copyright infringement. Or at least try to force him to agree to never copy her weapons. Although the replicating the user's abilities might also draw her attention, especially if it's not limited to weapons. Like reproducing a blacksmith's skills by Projecting their tools. Nanael...doesn't seem to have any particular standard for her men, so her deciding she wants Shirou is perfectly plausible. Tomoe is one of the most blatantly heroic characters, so she'd be at least friendly to the hero wannabe. Shizuka would be suspicious, but treat him well, depending on Tomoe's response to him. Shirou would be interested in Risty's Robin Hood act. She'd probably be all over trying to get as much money out of him as possible. Especially if Count Vance put out a reward for returning him. I don't really care for Risty. How long it takes Shirou to start masturbating depends how long it takes him to be alone. Although he'd also probably feel bad about fantasizing about people he knew. Consider how bad he felt about thinking that Sakura was hot. Menace would probably get him fairly easily, considering Shirou's weakness to hypnosis. Granted, she'd rather have him serve her willingly, but that works, too. Of course, outside hypnosis, it would be weird for them: Shirou is very accomadating, but he refuses to just be a servant. Plus he finds the "rebuild Amara" thing a little pointless. On the other hand, Menace is...selfish but not malicious, so he wouldn't really want to just treat her like any old villain. I'd actually see him feeling bad for the fact that the only "friends" she has are Setra, Melona, and Airi. So constant refusal to be her servant, but he feels bad for her and treats her well. Menace takes it to mean he really does want to be her servant, but is in denial, so she has to break that denial. Melona's the most blatantly malicious and cruel of the three. Menace would be fine having him serve her. Airi would use his life force to feed on and anything else the Swamp Witch ordered. Melona would want to torment him, just for shits and giggles. She'd make sure he was conscious and fully aware before doing anything to him. Then she'd also mess with him by transforming into other people, the Vance sisters, anyone he's met, really. Break him down to the point where he's happy to see her when she's herself, because then at least he knows more or less what to expect. Plus all the slime benefits. Airi first sees him as just a food supply. Ironically, that works out best between them because there's no pretense to any interactions. And if at some point Shirou is free to wander but still stuck in the lair, he'd revert to his old habits of cooking and cleaning. That's what actually provokes her and makes her angry at him, enough to do something. But orders were that he's not to be damaged, so she can't just kill him. That's what leads Airi to force Shirou down and rape him the first time. After that, she realizes that a)she enjoyed it, and b)it left her with a fantastic surplus of energy. So from that point, she makes sure to constantly use him to top off the gas tank, as it were. Swamp Witch, yeah, winds up super dommy. All about establishing that she is the absolute authority. Plus she has her magic. Her curses do things like make Claudette crazy with duty and authority, make Tomoe go blind, and make Leina a narcoleptic in Rebellion. So who's to say what she could do to Shirou? Her end game, though, I think would be a result kind of like how Airi does her duty, regardless of her personal feelings on the matter, because that's what a maid does. Only more 1984. By the end, the Swamp Witch wants Shirou to understand that he LOVES her, and will do anything for her, however cruel and/or lewd it might be. Making sure Airi and all her other servants that feed on life force are addicted to him enough to never disobey her, since she controls the supply. Forcing Liliana and possibly Menace into submission when they go rogue. Using Shirou to target and help break any enemy target, like having him "free" Nowa and Tomoe while Dogura has them, only to turn on them himself. And she might decide to go ahead and bring in Werbellia's (the body the Swamp Witch is using) children, Annelotte and Aldra, to bring their strength to her side, and for a happy family reunion/foursome. He's in the odd position of being both the lowest on the totem pole and the closest to the Witch, like how a loyal dog is still just a dog, but might be loved and very well used by its master.

Cheek, nose, basically anything like what a mother or sister would do gets no question. Maybe a "now's not the time," if something important is going on, but most situations, he just rolls with it. Mouth gets more of an embarrassed "I'd prefer more privacy but okay" reaction. Full on tonguing gets a "We REALLY shouldn't be doing this in public, I'm going to scold you for this later, once the boner is gone" reaction. Elina, playful, passionate, aggressive. Totally the type to get the idea to tie Shirou up and have sex all day, then actually follow through with it. Claudette, all about the dutiful service, making sure she's fulfilled her purpose completely. Yeah, Echidna would be all over messing with Shirou, especially once she found out about him and Leina. She only ever really goes after other females in canon, but given the lack of males shown, there probably just aren't any she's interested in. She'd most likely go after Shirou similar to how she goes after Leina. Alleyne treats him like any other human. Until the hero thing comes up, and she figures out how intent about it he really is. Then she might take some time to live up to her title of Combat Instructor, help him out. Beyond that, anything goes. Probably some nostalgia, but by this point, Shirou has lived half his life or more in Gainos. Japan and its customs would probably be a mostly faded memory. So there's some points of familiarity, but their interactions aren't built on that. Maybe? Most of Shirou's archery is actually based on him being freakishly good at the whole zen of it, more than a lot of practice. He was out of the club for a long time before the War started, and with a shoddy bow and arrow he made on the spot, he was able to shoot Berserker in the eye while he was attacking. So if he got it in his head and had something shown to him, yeah, he'd probably wind up as an archer. As for swords...castle training for some of it, at least. Could probably handwave something about memory resonance during the dimension traveling, a dream/memory/both about dual-wielding that won't leave him alone. Izumi...eh, she might get curious about his name, might follow him if he defeats her or something.

Whichever. Dimension hopping messed with Avalon enough to have more effect on Shirou than it normally does, or just magic. If anything, though, I would say they'd try to keep the magic secret, both because there's some stigma attached to it and to keep it as an ace in the hole in case of danger. When I was thinking of a reason for them to take him in, one thing my brain hit on was Kiritsugu having saved Count Vance's life at some point and then Shirou getting taken in as a way of repaying the debt. Honestly, the first comparison that comes to mind, if you've seen/read Game of Thrones, is how Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon were fostered with Jon Arryn. So he stays there, learns there, trains there, then, when he's an adult, he has the choice to leave and find his own way in the world or stay and take a place with the Vance household. Granted, different dimensions makes that kind of fuck-y, but, well, you know. Maybe something with the Grail hole from the end of the Fourth War. Kerry saves Shirou, they fall together in the hole, dimension travel fucks with Avalon, they wind up in QB, Kerry starts being dad, they run into and save Vance, and so on. Shirou keeps the name of the man who he remembers saving him and who took him in. He'd probably be less prudish than base Shirou, without growing up in Japan, but some of it is probably just part of his basic personality. He also probably wouldn't be as indulgent as Leina is, but years of Elina being clingy would probably make him numb to it all, to some extent. He's not going to just let her shove her hand in his pants, but hugging, some kissing, shoving his arm or face into her cleavage, that stuff he's probably just been trained to accept, and she'd probably get more indulgence if it's been a long time. Leina always seemed more prudish to me, so probably some level of surprise she'd wear something like that, until he remembers/recognizes that it's her mother's armor. Elina, yeah, he probably saw her in it some before leaving. As for reactions...he lived with them for the better part of a decade, and all through puberty. He is a master of hiding erections from sight. That doesn't mean Elina doesn't always somehow know, and that doesn't mean they haven't all, at some point, felt it. Just that nobody notices it just by looking. They'd still like him, just because Elina is nicer when he's around, and he's always good to them. More just exasperation at him being completely oblivious to her behavior. Frequently. Constantly, in Elina's case. Bathing together would probably only stop when Shirou, Leina, or Count Vance decided it would. Elina would still want to, still probably sneak in with him, still try to convince him and Leina that it's fine, but they'd have decided they prefer solitude. But, after living together and bathing together and Elina's antics, there's also some level of "We've all seen each other naked before, this is nothing new, there's no point being embarrassed about it." He'd definitely try. The moment he saw what it did, he'd be all over getting rid of it. Depending what frame of mind she's in at the time, she might even be inclined to listen. Or she might refuse because she thinks Funikura is the only way to get Shirou and keep him for herself. As for the cat fight...probably poorly for Nyx. Even with Funikura, she lost to Elina, badly. Take that away...well, if Shirou's around, she might have a better chance. At least a chance at not being too broken. But she might just wind up back as a servant to the Vance family, accepting whatever Elina does to her, on the basis of staying near-ish to Shirou.

One thing to consider is magic. Does Shirou still have it, to what extent, etc. And it's worth noting that, aside from magic tools like Claudette's sword and people who draw on divine power like the angels and nuns, pretty much everyone who uses magic in QB is more on the evil end of the spectrum. Swamp Witch and her minions, Funikura, Aldra while possessed by Delmore...even in Rebellion, while Aldra uses summoning magic, that's only because she's half-demon. So if Shirou did have magic, that would probably effect how he's viewed. And if he were taken in, he'd have an unusual position. There's no blood relation, he's not family. He's not a bastard child like Claudette, there's none of that awkwardness. He's not family, so he doesn't get the same kind of special treatment a member of the noble Vance family gets, but he's also not a servant, so he gets treated pretty well. Leina probably treats him like a brother without hesitation, just like she never treated Claudette differently as her half-sister. Admiration for his efforts to be a hero and generally just doing what he believes in, regardless of the rules and punishments. Thinks of him as someone to be like, then one of her more mature acquaintences on the road lines her up with the idea that she wants him. Then she winds up seeing the tournament as a way to prove herself to him. He drives Claudette crazy with how he completely ignores any sense of standing, treating her just the same as he treats Leina and Elina, and with how he has a semi-respectable position as a ward of the family rather than an illegitimate child. The combined factors leave her wanting him, thinking he should be with her sisters, wanting to steal him from them, and resenting him. Having sex with him is her single act of rebellion against her family, her duty, and herself. For Elina, he's more than a servant, less than a brother, so he doesn't get treated like dirt like servants, but he's supposed to cater to her anyway. It drives her crazy when he does something she doesn't want for her own good, like telling her to finish her vegetables as a child. But she adores him, and tries to make sure he feels the same about her, so at least while he's around, she treats servants like people instead of property. Not important people, but still better. Shirou would swear she's the sweetest of the sisters, and many would agree, with the caveat that she only is as long as he's around. Once he's gone, she's back to normal. As a result, some servants try to make sure they're around him as much as possible. Her ideal future has Leina succeeding their father, Shirou as Leina's husband, herself as Leina's bodyguard, Claudette in control of their military forces, and all of them in a mutual 4 way relationship. Plus whatever encounters he has while traveling. Getting caught up in the Swamp Witch trio's shenanigans. Ymir being interested in his sword(s), especially if he still has any form of Projection. Encounters with any of the elves. Helping Tomoe and Shizuka find their way. Any pursuit of justice towards Aldra and what she's been up to. Nyx has complicated feelings towards him: Shirou was always kind to her, and while he was around, even Elina was tolerable, so she loves him. But once he was gone, Elina was so much worse than she was before he showed up, so she hates him for that. So she loves him, but also hates him, but since she REALLY hates Elina, she wants to take him from her.