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Why Do We Hate Mary Sue?

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3 hours ago, Kurahieiritr said:

Agreed. I’ve seen too many of those 2 full page descriptions of every tiny detail of clothing and even the makeup process in depth and over baked on steroids. I cannot get through that kind of boring to save my life and always go back and find something else to read when I get one of those stories in front of me. It’s one thing to have 2 sentences of the active dressing stage because you know it’s a blue skirt and white top thanks to the arms motions and the like, but a detailed makeup tutorial and extremely detailed clothing is a snooze waiting to happen. At AO3 you will find people who insert fashion links to the outfits in the middle of the sentences  which is yet another marker of Sue/Stu at times. They try to hide their Sue/Stu by avoiding the blatant markers in hopes of getting more readers, so you have to rely on the obscenely perfected other issues at times.

 

Afraid those 2-5 pages can’t be helped when you go reading the fashion catalog.  :o

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1 hour ago, Desiderius Price said:

Afraid those 2-5 pages can’t be helped when you go reading the fashion catalog.  :o

Tell me about it. I can always tell when someone is fashion enslaved by their writing out that much overkill about clothes, shoes, makeup and hair. Puts me to sleep because I don’t read fashion mags, and I prefer my characters to be dressed in under 3 paragraphs and on the move to tackle whatever little crisis is plaguing them myself. ROFL.

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1 hour ago, JayDee said:

I looked this comic up and read it which was a howling cackling good time. Now this is a great strip. Thanks for sharing the entry link with the rest of us.

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12 minutes ago, Kurahieiritr said:

Tell me about it. I can always tell when someone is fashion enslaved by their writing out that much overkill about clothes, shoes, makeup and hair. Puts me to sleep because I don’t read fashion mags, and I prefer my characters to be dressed in under 3 paragraphs and on the move to tackle whatever little crisis is plaguing them myself. ROFL.

I kinda prefer my characters to be undressed… but that’s me.  And, if it takes multiple paragraphs, that’s fine :) 

I did write one scene, though, where it was a couple doing a reverse strip tease, getting dressed from nakedness, but that was more about how they didn’t really want to get dressed.

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Just now, Desiderius Price said:

I kinda prefer my characters to be undressed… but that’s me.  And, if it takes multiple paragraphs, that’s fine :) 

I did write one scene, though, where it was a couple doing a reverse strip tease, getting dressed from nakedness, but that was more about how they didn’t really want to get dressed.

You have an interesting context offered which means it would be far more entertaining than the by rote nit picked nuances of how many ruffles or darts are in the skirt someone is putting on that I was talking about from my own side of the debate. Not saying that a section on clothing can’t be entertaining to read if it is showcased through actions, and the obvious desire to not get dressed as you are describing here. Still, my experience is that if the actions, and motivations are not there, and the clothing is so focused upon and detailed that I for one want to puke long before the descriptions end, it is time to find a new story to read. Too much detail is as mind numbing as too little detail in many cases. Blank space and over defined alike tend to force the reader into a numb state of destroyed mental image production. When that happens, the reading can become as unpleasant and tedious as looking through a government written how to manual for doing your tax returns for crying out loud.

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16 minutes ago, Kurahieiritr said:

You have an interesting context offered which means it would be far more entertaining than the by rote nit picked nuances of how many ruffles or darts are in the skirt someone is putting on that I was talking about from my own side of the debate. Not saying that a section on clothing can’t be entertaining to read if it is showcased through actions, and the obvious desire to not get dressed as you are describing here. Still, my experience is that if the actions, and motivations are not there, and the clothing is so focused upon and detailed that I for one want to puke long before the descriptions end, it is time to find a new story to read. Too much detail is as mind numbing as too little detail in many cases. Blank space and over defined alike tend to force the reader into a numb state of destroyed mental image production. When that happens, the reading can become as unpleasant and tedious as looking through a government written how to manual for doing your tax returns for crying out loud.

Thanks, I like putting spins onto classics at times.  And this is about the limit I put onto clothing description:  “A man wearing black leather pants, a black leather jacket, with a natural leather button up shirt and a red leather tie.”  In this case, I’m trying to portray the image of a man not to be trifled with.  I haven’t ran across many Mary Sues, but I’ve heard enough to get a feel of what to avoid in my own stories.  Even in original fiction, the same things hint at an underdeveloped/under thought character – for a main character.

 

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18 hours ago, BronxWench said:

That was completely brilliant, actually. :lol:

But we all do kinda want to hear about the Christmas party where they got really drunk, mind.

I can’t believe how old it is now. Another five years and AFF’ll have users who weren’t born when it was created.

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On 10/27/2017 at 8:05 AM, JayDee said:

I can’t believe how old it is now. Another five years and AFF’ll have users who weren’t born when it was created.

I know. Makes me realize that I’m getting too freaking old. The thought of half the stuff I loved as a kid being complete unknowns to younger people these days happens to be a constant heartbreak for me too. Times are changing I suppose, and brilliance in art has shifted with the turning tides. But, it was still a lot of fun to read as Dr. Who got drug into the mix and so forth. A very fun type of comic strip that I hope will remain with all of us for a long time to come.

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