Finally an Explanation on how MPreg works!

[24CaratCoal]

In my defense CL, I blame it on my muse. She's been missing for years, but I'm certain that twisted little brat is running a plot bunny farm just to torment me. Nearly 700 stories I've started, not counting copies, none of them remotely finished and I'm constant being pelted with more useless inspiration. I just can't win.

Don't underestimate my plot bunnies, they might look cute and innocent but I'm pretty sure they're directly descended from the Black Beast of Caerbannog. Best just to open up a seperate document and let them tire themselves out.

Also this thread just kind of exploded after my accidental necromancy and has kept me somewhat morbidly amused since then.

@dafdes, as far as a team effort goes. Sure, I've never actually done a colab before (mostly because I get a bit embarrassed about my own writing, I'm not bad at it, just often left wondering what I was thinking) so that could be fun.

[pippychick]

@dafdes, as far as a team effort goes. Sure, I've never actually done a colab before (mostly because I get a bit embarrassed about my own writing, I'm not bad at it, just often left wondering what I was thinking) so that could be fun.

Oh, but it's good fun chasing someone else around with a pen. We'll take this to PM too.

[24CaratCoal]

Do you think people are trembling in fear yet? I rarely let my sadistic side out to play, so it's a bit pent up.

[Desiderius Price]

The archive moderators might be trembling.

[pippychick]

Do you think people are trembling in fear yet? I rarely let my sadistic side out to play, so it's a bit pent up.

We could become legends. Or hated. Probably both. Likely at the same time.

The archive moderators might be trembling.

Oh, I think the others have already seen me at my worst.

[Desiderius Price]

[Tent] and [Xeno] could certainly add to the squeak factor.

[24CaratCoal]

Desiderius, believe me when I say I don't need 'xeno' or 'tent' tags to cause squick when I put my mind to it. My mind is a twisted deviant place not fit for the faint of heart or acceptable for children.

Daf. I can live with that.

Edited February 6, 2016 by 24CaratCoal

[LockedBox]

Okay, this says it's based on Alpha/beta/omega dynamics fanfic. That shit is real popular on AO3. It makes even less sense in context. Betas are just normal people, omegas can get pregnant regardless of gender and go into "heats" that cause them to go sex crazy and other such wonderful things, it varies, but the sex crazy thing is always there, then there’s alphas which are generally dudebros with canine dicks. Yes I read one, what can I say, I was curious and these fics are pretty damn pervasive over there. I don't understand how it got started, I don't understand how it got so popular but it's a thing. The thing is though, even if you handwave the biological junk away, it still makes no sense.

Theres this thing in biology called Bateman's principle, that means that when to creatures procreate there tends to be an imbalance in the "biological investment," generally speaking the female will have a much larger investment than the male, as ova are more expensive to produce than sperm, and that cost keeps rising once you get yolks, and laying, and gestation, nursing and maternal care involved. And, the males reproductive rate is higher, meaning that a male can mate successfully with more females than a female can. There are of course exceptions, such as the emu and jacinta. As a result, the animal that has the highest investment and lowest reproductive rate tends to be choosy, selecting only the best males to mate with in order to maximize it's investment, while the one with the lowest investment tends to be competitive, that is, it competes against other of its kind to prove itself a viable mate, aiming to mate with as many females as it possibly can. This behavioral adaptation balances the scales so to speak, and as far as we can tell, ensures the most viable and healthiest population possible. It's been working for millions of years of evolution after all, so it's clearly got something going for it.

Now, if we take the ABO dynamics at face value, and assume the biology somehow works, this is the part where it falls apart because it completely defenestrates bateman's principle. Omegas, the ones with the greatest biological investment, are stripped of their ability to be choosey by their "heats," which tend to leave them gibbering sex addled nymphomaniacs. Sure, its a fictitious thing, and every writer is going to approach it in their own way, but this trend is a pervasive one. It should be the other way around. Omegas should keep their wits, while the "pheromones" or whatever it is that the heats give off, should send everyone else crazy and sex addled in their scramble to impress the fertile female and pass on their genes. But it’s not. A species that had reproductive cycles like those in a/b/o would not be a very successful one, if it could survive at all.

I get that this is a fetish thing, and that’s fine, people should be able to get their freak on however they want, so long as they don’t hurt anybody, well, don’t hurt anybody illegally/nonconsensually. And ABO doesn’t hurt anybody, but when they try to play it off like it’s actually scientifically possible, it really makes me laugh. Because it’s painfully obvious how much they don’t know, and don’t care about biology. I mean hey, if they’re gonna have testicles, put something in there, without something to pad em out you’re just gonna have an empty scrotumn flapping about like a deflated balloon.

Edited February 6, 2016 by LockedBox

[BronxWench]

The archive moderators might be trembling.

Pfft. We never tremble. We just feed authors to Bob.

As far as the ABO thing, I've seen a great many Mpreg fics written without resorting to that nonsense (and I personally find ABO dynamics to be unspeakably silly from any standpoint). I also know just how good dafdes is at this sort of thing, and I have a feeling she's found a partner in 24CaratCoal.

The trick to writing anything like this, and to capture the true horror, is to NOT fall into the use of silly tropes. The more realistic, the more terrifying. This isn't meant to be romance, or even particularly enjoyable, unless you like nightmares. Which I rather do.

Edited February 6, 2016 by BronxWench

[24CaratCoal]

LockedBox, I like you. Nice use of logic to tear apart that A/B/O theory like wet tissue paper.

Sadly that is unlikely to be used because then people couldn't pass Omegas around like party favors, but that doesn't make me appreciate your argument any less.

[24CaratCoal]

Sorry BronxWench, but I'm fairly certain Bob would spit me out as soon as he got a taste of my mind. Heaven knows I've wanted to reject my own brain often enough. Sadly it follows me around wherever I go, it's worse than my shadow.

Edited February 6, 2016 by 24CaratCoal

[BronxWench]

Oh, my dear, dear 24CaratCoal, we're not feeding you to Bob. We're going to make you write many literate, intelligent, terrifying, wonderful stories for our enjoyment.

[24CaratCoal]

Oh damn! Bob! Bob! Open up Bob she's trying to exploit me!

[BronxWench]

We dragons are like that, you know. Exploiting the masses, coveting the shinies, snacking on the unwary (although I really prefer a nice tarragon mayonnaise to ketchup).

[24CaratCoal]

N-n-n-now let's not do a-a-anything hasty! M-my muse has been missing for a while you see, i-it's hard to get anything done without her.

[pippychick]

When we get the like button back, I'm going to have to like this entire thread.

I just realised, I did actually write m-preg twice. Oops. Forgot allll about that. But, see, the thing is, the second time I did it, it was someone else's canon (fanon?), so I didn't have to think about it too much. They did all that.

This time it would seem, I definitely am doing it. Deliberately. 24CaratCoal and I have dastardly plans. We are both as much to blame for the result. With any luck, we'll be able to send up every explanation of M-Preg that's ever been posted. Including my own.

[PervOtaku]

On another forum I've been made aware of a thing I'd never encountered before. It's the inverse of futanari (girls with a penis) known as the cuntboy. Yep, a male with a vagina instead of a penis. Thereby enabling Mpreg quite easily.

Don't ask me why this exist, I've never grasped the appeal of futanari either, but to each his own, yeah?

[LockedBox]

Tell me if you think I'm being sensationalist here, but, doesn't that seem really offensive to transgender men? I'm a cishet white girl so I might be talking out of my ass here, but that sounds really transphobic to me.

Edited February 23, 2016 by LockedBox

[BronxWench]

Nope. Not transphobic at all. The concept of Mpreg revolves around a "cismale" (and gods, how I hate those ridiculous conventions to further divide and categorize people) who becomes pregnant, not a person who's chosen to make their physical and mental genders match. We're pretty good at not encouraging discrimination and bigotry here.

And, to short-circuit any hysteria about my profound distaste for labels and other stigmatizing bullshit, I have a trans kid. So, I'm not talking out of my hat. My kid is not a label.

[LockedBox]

Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I just really don't like the c-word, and using it that way, I dunno, it was probably just me knee jerking.

[PervOtaku]

LockedBox: I'm just the messenger. I didn't invent those fetishes or the names for them. Though it's a porn story site here, you should probably expect to come across the "c-word" from time to time, used in the anatomical sense rather than the slur sense for the most part.

Actual futanari characters in manga seem to hew more towards hermaphroditic since most I've seen have a pussy tucked away under their cock, but I presume there is a large cross-over between futa fans and fans of porn involving transitioning male-to-female transsexuals. There is also a large cross-over with furry fans for some reason I don't understand.

[BronxWench]

Actually, some of us prefer not to think of AFF as solely a porn story site. It's a place where we can explore all manner of adult themes, which may or may not have sexual content. We don't insist on Happy-Ever-After or even Happy-For-Now endings. We're fine with darker themes.

Some of the best stories I've read on this site have little or no sex. But they are entirely adult.

[Desiderius Price]

I tend to think of AFF as a place that's open to most writing (except plagerists that get the tar and feather treatment or the writer's underage). If a story needs mpreg, then it can have mpreg -- or xeno, or tentacles, as the author desires.