Guest Dark Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Hey, real life has priority over us. I was thinking again of what it might take to start a subscription site for 'amateur' authors to publish and get some money in return. I mentioned it last year at the blue site, and it was pointed out many readers wouldn't want their credit card associated with an erotic site. I understand that, but was thinking with ALL the people looking to get published and not everyone can get on Amazon, that a site could host stories of all kinds, with erotic being a tag used by some stories. I was thinking 1 or 2 cents to read a thousand words (that would be $10-$20 over 1.5 years to read all of She Is The One) with the site keeping 10% and the author 90%. Low cost to the reader, but with lots of readers of a hot story, could be quite profitable for some authors, and give them a chance to go mainstream. Will there be some sort of quality control for the site to keep it from ending up like much of the terrible garbage that comes from Steam Greenlight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jashley13 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Chapter 47 is finally posted. Again, I'm so sorry about the wait for this one. You've all been wonderful and patient and I will do my best to keep the wait from being this long again. I wish I had some sort of machine that could write this while I wasn't on the computer. Anyway, I hope it was worth the wait. Thank you all for being wonderful friends and fans and I will do my best to reward your patience. Hope you're all well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Long Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Will there be some sort of quality control for the site to keep it from ending up like much of the terrible garbage that comes from Steam Greenlight? This is just a concept in my mind right now. There could be people assigned to read the stories, as is done here. That could be pre-screening them to at least make sure they're serious attempts at literature and/or after posting have the system flag stories with few reads and/or lower reader ratings for human review. I would like the market to work as much as possible, with the readers deciding what's good and regarding the authors, but there's always chance for abuse like what happened on the blue site. Chapter 47 is finally posted. Again, I'm so sorry about the wait for this one. You've all been wonderful and patient and I will do my best to keep the wait from being this long again. I wish I had some sort of machine that could write this while I wasn't on the computer. Anyway, I hope it was worth the wait. Thank you all for being wonderful friends and fans and I will do my best to reward your patience. Hope you're all well The only thing we demand is quality! (and you've never disappointed us). I'm assuming you got snowed in and that gave you some time to write. I'm catching up on my own projects, but haven't gotten down to OTA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGoddess Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 @Joe Long We've had the suggestion here, as well, to offer subscriptions for pay for original, but that's a big problem for us. Hosting fanfiction means that we cannot in any way, shape or form, make money from people clicking in to read a story via a subscription. So, that would be why you'd never see AFF turning in to any kind of a pay site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that-one-guy Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Chapter 47 is finally posted. Again, I'm so sorry about the wait for this one. You've all been wonderful and patient and I will do my best to keep the wait from being this long again. I wish I had some sort of machine that could write this while I wasn't on the computer. Anyway, I hope it was worth the wait. Thank you all for being wonderful friends and fans and I will do my best to reward your patience. Hope you're all well I'm incredibly well at the moment cuz I've got that loving feeling Every chapter seems to get more emotional than the last but for the moment I like it (although a feel good chapter wouldn't go amiss sometime soon haha). I like that my suggestion was worked in (don't want to divulge too much for those that have yet to read it). But yeah, we don't mind a wait if the end product is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Long Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) @Joe Long We've had the suggestion here, as well, to offer subscriptions for pay for original, but that's a big problem for us. Hosting fanfiction means that we cannot in any way, shape or form, make money from people clicking in to read a story via a subscription. So, that would be why you'd never see AFF turning in to any kind of a pay site. I understand that. I've watched full length movies of Star Trek fan fiction, including original actors, but as it's fan fiction it has to be done non-profit. It's any idea that I first had over a year ago before coming here, and thought of again as I get more immersed into the community of mainstream amateur writers seeking somewhere to publish (such as those who are in NaNoWriMo). I only made reference to this site in that you have human moderators read the stories. Edited January 23, 2016 by Joe Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGoddess Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Well yes, we moderate, but we don't QC. As I said, sure it would be nice to be able to offer that to our authors in original. But with the fanfiction being hosted as well, we can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that-one-guy Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Maybe a donation function could be added in the future for the original authors only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Long Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) Maybe a donation function could be added in the future for the original authors only? From DG's comments, sounds like they can't mix the two methods on the same site. On to a different direction of being published, a couple weeks ago I watched a movie 'Men, Women & Children' at Amazon, directed by Justin Reitman. I found it because I'm a fan of Kaitlyn Dever, and I was wondering how a movie from a major studio with a decently wide release, and starring Adam Sandler, Jennifer Garner, JK Simmons, Dean Norris and Judy Greer could gross about a half million domestically. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3179568/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_5 Reitman had described the novel it was based on as ''Dark, hilarious, but most of all honest", but I don't think I laughed once during the movie. It was dark, and did take I suppose an honest look at dysfunctional family life. I didn't know who I was supposed to root for - who was the protagonist? who was the antagonist? They were all messed up, to one extent or another. The movie depicted several teenage high school couples (age and grade not mentioned) experimenting with sex, including intercourse under the covers with no nudity show, just bra and panties. I read the free preview of the book on Amazon, where the boy who would get to bang the cheerleader was described as thirteen. That made me curious - in a book described in a review on Amazon as "profoundly pornographic writing", just how much detail was given of thirteen year olds having sex. So I went ahead and spent $10 to get the pdf of the book. First off, the writing is horrible. Five or six times an entire page was filled with dialogue that went, he said, she said, he said, she said, he said, she said - but this got published by Harper. The story is decent, but a big problem is there were too many families - six in the book and five in the movie. Instead of focusing on one family, the author sought to look in at several families, representing a spectrum. It would have done better as a TV series, instead of a 300 page novel or a two hour movie. In the third person omniscient, it was like being a voyeur watching these people for ten weeks, with no real beginning, middle or end. Anyway, there was lots of sex between the 8th graders at the middle school. I suppose it didn't get labeled as porn or erotica, and was published by Harper and filmed by Paramount, because although the story was focused on sex and relationships, the sex wasn't there to tittilate, even with the graphic descriptions of how the thirteen year old boy shoved his cock down the throat of the thirteen year old girl. None of it was good sex, as they all were stumbling along discovering their sexuality as the passed puberty. I bring this all up because it gave me hope that if this could pass as main stream and be successful, there was hope for the stories we've all been reading. jashley and bashful are ten times the writer that Chad Kultgen is, and although their stories (and mine) are explicit, the frequency of the sex is realistic and only presented in the context of teenagers growing up and exploring relationships. We might have a chance to get published and make some money after all. (Now that I have baseball money coming in on Paypal, if i made money from writing I can just tell my wife it was from baseball). One problem is increased visibility might make maintaining our anonymity more difficult. Edited January 24, 2016 by Joe Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COJimmyV Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Once again, great descriptive with Chapter 47. Maybe it's just me but you seemed to break the fourth wall (or is it the third wall when writing) a little more often in this chapter. Not that it was annoying but definitely more noticeable. Was that planned and just happenstance? In any event, nice chapter. Can't wait to see what happened to Mrs. Locke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Long Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) Once again, great descriptive with Chapter 47. Maybe it's just me but you seemed to break the fourth wall (or is it the third wall when writing) a little more often in this chapter. Not that it was annoying but definitely more noticeable. Was that planned and just happenstance? In any event, nice chapter. Can't wait to see what happened to Mrs. Locke. Oh yeah, there's a chapter to read. I need to get off Facebook and Twitter a few hours later...damn! another good chapter Edited January 24, 2016 by Joe Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGoddess Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Maybe a donation function could be added in the future for the original authors only? Can't do it. Again, that goes in to some legalities for the site, because of the site hosting fanfiction. Donations to the site to keep it running, yes. Donations to individual authors of original stories, no can do. How we can ask for donations for operating expenses is BECAUSE the site is free to use. You know, we have PLENTY of authors who started here writing fanfiction, and have gone on to publish. WITH publishers. In a VARIETY of genres. If the content is something a publisher doesn't want, then perhaps more attention to the craft needs to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxWench Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 I'm one of the authors here who started with fan fiction, got comfortable enough to branch out into original fiction, and now have some work out there with a publisher. Look around, find publishers who offer books in the genre in which you're writing (and don't settle for only the bigger houses), and read their submission guidelines. Submit, submit, submit, and when you do, take it down from any online sites. No one wants to publish a work that's available for free. Make sure you've read your manuscript, had a beta reader look it over, checked grammar, punctuation and spelling, formatted it properly, and GO FOR IT. You'll never know if you don't try. And if someone does take your story, be prepared to toss your ego into a closet when you're assigned to an editor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Long Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 I'm one of the authors here who started with fan fiction, got comfortable enough to branch out into original fiction, and now have some work out there with a publisher. GO FOR IT. You'll never know if you don't try. And if someone does take your story, be prepared to toss your ego into a closet when you're assigned to an editor... Congrats BW. The original stuff I read here, She Is The One, Being More Social and even my own - are on the edge. There's sex, there's teens, but those guys are telling a storing people want people are reading and commenting on in droves. Those two authors are a hell of a lot better than the guy who wrote Men, Women & Children and that book covers the same kind of material. I wondered how MW&C ever made it by an editor in it's published form, simply for the quality of prose. So that actually gives me hope to 1) go back and review what I've written so far 2) finish the damn thing and 3) GO FOR IT. It is also people like you who give me inspiration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxWench Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Thanks, Joe, and you have my very sincere wishes that you find a good publisher. Don't be afraid to look at smaller, niche houses. Sometimes you can really do well with them, if you don't mind doing a little work on your own to market. Twitter, blogs, even Facebook if you tread carefully - these are all ways to reach potential readers, and don't cost you anything. What I've published thus far is all niche stuff. I write gay erotica for publication, and I'm fine with my niche. I might also sell some mainstream some day, but who knows? In the meantime, I'm making a little space on the bookshelf for the rest of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Long Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 and, I didn't bring up the subject for my own glorification, because I know that jashley and bashful are better writers than I am. I want to see them and others do well and have outlets. First I pondered if there might be away for 'amateurs' with good stories to earn some income writing original fiction (erotica or not) and then I saw and later read MW&C, as I was curious how a novel that was also full of graphic descriptions of teens having sex made it to a major publisher, was on Amazon, and had a major studio make a movie out of it (even if it was one of the lowest grossing movies of all time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Long Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 spoilers Jack should learn to close Kayla's curtains. However, that would become a signal as to what they are doing. I was waiting to see if Tara would kiss Jack. "I'm trying to be good, but I'm just so horny, and then I watch you do your thing" (swallows his tongue). Seriously, I think Tara is getting moist for more than just Arthur, as she remembers what it was like with Jack. Jessica is so insecure. She desperately wants to be wanted, to live up to her own hype. She can stand the idea that Belle might not want to be her friend (again). Mrs. Locke was her crutch, the teacher who indulged her, and Jessica was ready to melt down when suddenly she realized that Mrs. Locke was gone. Yes, we have all the appearances that Belle is working for the ring, even if she doesn't seem thrilled with it. With her leaving - is she going to another part of her school, another school, or meeting someone outside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark listen Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Bronxwrench do you have any stories publish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxWench Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 @Dark listen: Yes, I do. Here on AFF, I'm BronxWench. Elsewhere, I write as Morwen Navarre, and you might have seen my banner ad here on AFF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester57 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Seriously, I think Tara is getting moist for more than just Arthur, as she remembers what it was like with Jack. Could be. With that fake phone conversation I'm wondering if she is with Arthur at all anymore. He has yet to show his face in the story-- perhaps Tara is just using him as a prop so Jack and Kayla don't feel sorry for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Long Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Could be. With that fake phone conversation I'm wondering if she is with Arthur at all anymore. He has yet to show his face in the story-- perhaps Tara is just using him as a prop so Jack and Kayla don't feel sorry for her. That is quite possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that-one-guy Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Could be. With that fake phone conversation I'm wondering if she is with Arthur at all anymore. He has yet to show his face in the story-- perhaps Tara is just using him as a prop so Jack and Kayla don't feel sorry for her. I like the sound of that too, the phantom boyfriend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Long Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) and I wonder if Joe has fed us a red herring on Belle. Jack knows about the prostitution, all the circumstantial evidence about Belle points that way, so he over thinks it, jumps to conclusions, and when Jack tries to 'rescue' Belle it's, "oh my God, you thought I was a fucking whore? I can't even look at you." Edited January 25, 2016 by Joe Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Starkz Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 and I wonder if Joe has fed us a red herring on Belle. Jack knows about the prostitution, all the circumstantial evidence about Belle points that way, so he over thinks it, jumps to conclusions, and when Jack tries to 'rescue' Belle it's, "oh my God, you thought I was a fucking whore? I can't even look at you." This would break my heart, but follow the pattern of Jack is an overthinking doofus. Joe made a point about how Jack is becoming a negative example, instead of being a positive one. This final 'rescue' of Belle could really drive it home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 This would break my heart, but follow the pattern of Jack is an overthinking doofus. Joe made a point about how Jack is becoming a negative example, instead of being a positive one. This final 'rescue' of Belle could really drive it home. Another possibility of Jack becoming a negative example is how he deals with what happens when Amanda cracks. We got hints that she's cracking and hints from Jack that he's tired of helping since every time he's tried to help, he's been, for lack of better words, fucked over. He tried to help his siblings, and look at what happened, especially at how his father reacted to Jack getting them to actually talk by taking away the PS3 for "disobeying him". If anything, Jack may just say "screw off" to everyone, as he seems to be tired of helping and getting kicked in the face for doing so. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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