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39 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

did he ever try to emulate Grimhilde? she seems to be worst mother…. except maybe Gothel

Any suggestions for something he could emulate? Given that they are both human they share most of the same general traits...

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2 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

well if we go by ‘maleficent’ maleficent, her wings are locked in a case in the old elf castle.

let’s say she doesn’t want any wings, she wants HERS. so the first time she’s just bitter, but the next time she can appreciate it and apologises for not doing so.

if we go by the ‘aurora is confused and a bit bitter’ idea, one of the first things she could do after waking up is walk around her old home, then follow this mysterious knocking noise…..

That is a possibility

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4 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

probably yes. we could have a nod to that in that they use them for supply carriages.

 

Idea, what if the wings are magically tied to and created from and armour torso based on his wing-suit from film 2? a literal wing-suit.

I admit the idea of the wings being part of the armor had not occurred to me

 

3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

if he wears the fluffy overlord collar people could compare him to a vulture.

actually, how did maleficent take the wing idea? i imagine she was frustrated when it first happened, but after mellowing out, getting back in touch with her daughter and it ACTUALLY working she’d be flattered. and probably apologise for not appreciating it the first time.

I admit I hadn't considered how Maleficent t would react, because I have not yet decided if she will still have HER wings…

With wings- Likely exasperated, and/or horrified at what could have gone wrong, at Hiccup's experimenting on himself, though after testing the formula on something else, possibly a rat, and secretly touched/flattered at Hiccup's attempts to emulate her

Without wings- Still probably exasperated/horrified at 'what its', but also bitter due to her own loss, but not wanting to take it out on Hiccup... Then again if the formula could give a human wings, it would stand to reason that it could regrow a fairy's...

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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

hmmm, what if he thinks they’re useless until he meets the wing-maidens? then drags them out again and asks them to show him some tricks? As a child, just hovering or gliding wouldn’t seem like much after all

That would be a possibility, though on the of the Wingmaidens, Razorwhips must be very strong if their juveniles can carry fully grown women long distances

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8 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

Hmmm…. i like that, but can i suggest a twist? Rapunzel is moved into the tower and shown around/given a room. she’d probably take to decorating. instead of joining in with gothel, she joins in with her cousins anna and elsa. or one of the future wives…. maybe aurora, i see her as head magic girl for some reason.

 Gothel, however, tries to coast by without paying anything and the sorceresses trick her into ‘paying’ hiccup personally.

hmmm, idea for Cassandra. If we can justify her meeting with Rapunzel during her youth, we can have her blame herself for not saving her and have a parallel ‘childhood friends’ loyalty angle to hiccup and toothless.

though Rapunzel’s reaction to meeting her real mother would be REALLY awkward after that. as would gothel’s

Those ideas could work, and I admit my plan had been for Arianna to be skeptical of Gothel's tale of finding Rapunzel in the woods, but not wanting to risk alienating the man who just saved her kingdom by accusing someone under his protection of kidnapping

My imagination has seen fit to cough up another idea for the larger idea of 'What if young Hiccup tried to give himself wings to mimic Maleficent?'…

Assuming he managed to succeed, what if due to his denser human bones he was only capable of short bursts of flight, or gliding to slow a fall? They'd probably also be able to fulfill a similar function to a cobra's hood, Hiccup flaring them out when he wants to try and be intimidating...

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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

okay. but how about, as a nod to her selfishness, she offers her daughter as a price for safety? not sure if she’d tell her.

I think i already mentioned my idea of Cassandra tracking them down...

That could work, I admit the vague idea I had for how Rapunzel could become a mistress was 'Gothel gives Hiccup a back massage which escalates, then Rapunzel walks in on them, deduces this was the 'other things' her mother mentioned, and offers to help 'pay'.' Perhaps both could work, with Hiccup not knowing that Rapunzel didn't know of her part in the deal, and just going along with it

I think you did mention such

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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

maybe she has bird wings as a result of whatever mutation gave her horns and human height?

 

also, do you have any plans for Rapunzel?

Admittedly not much, so far all I've got is 'Gothel, a witch as a nod to the original tale, though one more skilled at potions than spells, begs Hiccup for asylum from the Empire for herself and her daughter Rapunzel, who she claims she found abandoned as a baby in the woods, offering her skills with potions and 'other things' as recompense' 

Then I might have lady Caine appear as an old friend of Jewel's who shows Hiccup a few old smugglers tunnels into Corona for when he besieges the Empire controlled city

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7 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

haven’t seen much of the series, but a quick check reveals she can travel as pixie dust

Huh... Don't recall that being mentioned in the movies, which just for the sake of saying are available of Netflix

 

A small detail has occurred to me though, should I give Maleficent the amalgamation of butterfly and dragonfly wings that the Pixie Hollow fairies have, or give the Pixie Hollow fairies bird wings like Maleficent? 

I suppose a third option would be just let them keep their respective wing anatomies, but I'm aiming for a degree of consistency with in the fairy species...

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4 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

That works. Did they have a falling out? does she miss her sister?

 

also an idea, remember that pixie hollow was going to be a safe place? what if, similar to queen fay in 2, she’s busy casting the spell protecting pixie hollow nonstop and exhausted as a result? she could be half-asleep and spreading dream fairies among the chaos

That could work, and I'd wager she did miss her sister, but as we discussed a ways back had little choice but to exile Maleficent given that she cursed a baby, even of one born to the enemy and that she came to regret the curse

 

3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

also,  think Zarina should learn the ‘pixie dust’ trick

Um, what trick?

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Just now, Strange_idea said:

well it works, so we should build on that. no rush, it just is a really good scene with a lot of potential

 

which fairy by the way? tinkerbell?

Not sure, perhaps Silvermist, she seems the most likely to just deliver a hug out of no where

 

Another somewhat random idea concerning the fairies, given that the fourth film showed that fairies can have non identical (in skin tone and hair color at least) twins, what if Maleficent and queen Clarion where a pair of such siblings?

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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

oooh That IS nice.

I meant at LEAST one of the campaigns, but this makes the most sense (since she’d know the area) and has SO many possibilities. plus it would give the orcs a reason to attack hiccup on sight. aside from general malevolence.

where are you going with this?

Uh... Not sure really, was just struck with the idea for the above attempt at a humorous scene

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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

i was iffy about that anyway

 

what if hiccup has to fight through an orc camp on his way in?

That could work…

Been struck by another idea involving Evernight Forest and your suggestion that Zarina go on one of the campaigns…

Since the plan is to include Pixie Hollow in said forest, what if Zarina came along to face her past, only for one of the fairies to rush up to try and hug Zarina, come assumption in the Hollow being that she was dead, as soon as they cross the boarder, only for Hiccup to protectively step in from of Zarina and point his trident at said fairy, who pull to a stop just shy of getting stabbed in the nose? Then when the fairy tries to explain her actions Hiccup can only blink in confusion before asking Zarina "I thought you were banished?" and Zarina can only respond with equal confusion "So did I."?

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3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

hiccup could spend the fight criticising her claw and offering to make a better one

I admit I had not considered having Aza be short an arm like the character she was based off of

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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

okay. what did you think of the ‘during the nightmare crisis’ idea

It has merits

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7 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

hmmmm. was this the everlight forest, not jungle? the same one we talked about finding aurora in? if we did the titania/maelficent/mim thing we’d have to be careful of the pacing.

OR, what if they attack DURING the nightmare crisis? remember how i suggested Oberon be guarding aurora?Their leader could be the one who kills him, and becomes the final area boss. Hiccup takes her prisoner and return her for their surrender. It also ties into sleeping beauty again, since the orcs and orc-minions were in each version o the films.

any idea what we’d base the orcs on? a completely original group or tribute to a disney/overlord group?

My plan had been to kind of base them off the Orcs from the Hobbit film, with that fortress/territory being called Dol Gulbad, and their chiefess Aza, a very tall pale white orcess.

And yes, this would be near Ever'N'ight Forest, from the first game

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26 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

hmmm. we don;t want it to be too powerful, so what if only the queens had that? and it was one element at a time, so multiple foes could confuse it

That is a possibility, though I admit I had planned it to be more along the lines of 'wielder selects an option on a dial' than an automatic response... though given the fact that the queen Minions' role would be to stay in the Tower and lay eggs, like the insect queens they're based on, not sure if they'd need/get weapons... maybe more as a matter of ceremony than anything else...

 

21 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

oh also, i think succubi should be magic-resistant or outright immune to magic damage

If I recall correctly, they were like that in the game, and the most the magic damage dealing blue Minions could do was pacify them until one of the other Minions angered them again

 

26 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

hmmm. we don;t want it to be too powerful, so what if only the queens had that? and it was one element at a time, so multiple foes could confuse it

 

okay. they’re full orcs now. that’s neat. you got them into the story after all.

 

also had a thought. what if when he saw a uncicorn, some of the girls wanted one. hiccup protested that it was an insane horse trying to gore him with it’s horn, so now the violent girls want one (mainly the sorceresses. astrid probably would but she’s not there yet)

The unicorn idea has possibilities, and I had a idea for including orcs in the story…

What if near Evernight Forest there was a kingdom of orcs, and after Hiccup conquers said elvish kingdom, a band of orcs launches a raid, the latest event in a long standing feud, causing Hiccup to retaliate, becoming chief after defeating the tribes female chief in single combat?

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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

what other minion upgrades can we have? i mean for reds, greens and browns

Hmm... Of the top of my head all I can think of is the planned upgrade of boosting the from 3 or 4 feet tall to 6 feet tall...

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I've been struck by another, admittedly somewhat random, idea for the Minion's weaponry...

What if each weapon had a tiny chip of Netherworld crystal imbedded in its hilt, allowing the Tower Heart to empower said weapon with the ability to coat its blade, or bolthead in the case of the crossbows, with fire, ice, acid, lightning, or magic depending on what a particular foe was vulnerable to?

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7 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

While that could work, i don’t know. Hiccup is from the culture that names their kid ‘hiccup’ ‘fishlegs’ and so on. It actually makes sense that ‘toothless’ could be a human name. I dunno, I had the idea that toothless used to express displeasure with hiccup by gnawing on him. since she used human teeth he used to mock her by calling her ‘toothless’ and it stuck.

 

then he named the dragon after his ‘girlfriend’

 

 

here’s the picture

https://zielle.deviantart.com/art/Overlady-s-march-335653246

 

This is true, and interesting to the picture

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2 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

oh, and i found a non-sexy image of female minions if you want to see it

Okay

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3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

huh. that works, though what if Zarina is the reason? she could be trying to ‘improve’ the minions. Or one of the mages just teaches them spells and asks why no-one else did.

 

though that might make the blues a bit overpowered. eh, whatever works.

 

Just the mental image decked out like tolkien orcs with proper armour, weapons and sheilds. I was going to suggest that since maleficent used orcish minions in her film, she might have designed the minions. trying to think what the others did.

 

It’s a joke on her pet crow’s name.  Idea, what if almost everyone has a ‘better’ name for toothless that they suggest and irritate hiccup and the dragon in question.

 

why tanya?

That had been my plan, any of the improvements to the Minions being due to Hiccup and Zarina's experiments... and now I'm struck by the idea of Blues able to manipulate water like Reds can manipulate…

Ah, now that I know what you were talking about it makes sense

I did happen to know that was the name of the crow, and the idea of everyone trying to name Toothless/Tanya is amusing 

The main reason I though of Tanya is because it was the first 'T' girl name I could think of that sounded anything close to Toothless

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3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

They;re like tiny orcs. I was going to suggest maleficent created them since the actually used orcs…. or something like them

Uh... I think I may have missed something, because I'm not sure what you're talking about...

 

1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:

also, i think Maleficent would want to name toothless “dival” and be underwhelmed by the name she got

This is a possibility, though I had been considering the name Tanya, at least for her human form

 

Different topic all together, but I have been struck by an idea to allow the Blue Minions to deal damage, what if they could throw explosive bursts of magic similar to the Elvish ghosts in the first game?

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5 hours ago, Strange_idea said:

make it his magic weapon of choice. it’s unwieldy and cannot slash or bash very well, but conducts magic better than his sword. Ariel could probably comment on it and give him upgrade tips

That would be a possibility, my plan for the Minions', as well as Hiccup's and the Netherghul's, armaments was each would have a shield, a spear for formation fighting or for cavalry charges, an axe as a close quarters/back up weapon, a sword as a back up back up weapon, and a repeating crossbow as a ranged weapon.

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40 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

That works well. What if he tried to take an old one (the real one) she had presented near her throne to arm his early minions but she showed up right away to tell him no?

I admit that is something I had not considered... I had just pictured Hiccup remembering Ursula's tales of Triton's trident and deciding to give his personal spear three blades as opposed to one, whether Hiccup's trident would be capable of channeling spells, essentially being a pointy metal magic wand, or just a spear with three points I am unsure of off the top of my head

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3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:

As a pleasure slave she'd probably be desensitised to tjat aspect of a relationship and seek comfort, support and respect. Plus tiana, being someone she places above her clients, would therefore be held to higher standards, nudity from her would be more meaningful

 

You could also do a bit of a meta joke/ nod to the high levels of narrative nd character content of this story with her. Remember how i said you had to pace the erotic content to keep interest? Charlotte's pretty much living that as a pleasure slave.

"It's nothing but sex, sex, sex and dirty talk all the time. That's it. That gets dull faster than you'd believe" 

This is a possibility

Jumping topic again, but I have been struck by an idea for an admittedly small detail…

Since one of the weapons I had intended for Hiccup to produce for the Minion horde was the spear, what if Hiccup made his spear into a trident, either at Ursula's suggestion , or in honor, for lack of a better term, of her?