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1 hour ago, Strange_idea said:
Maybe not till elsa? She'd be a better source, probably a better tacher and it'd let him surprise the hell out of the empire.
Also it'd be funny to have that scene, then cut to hiccup mentally screaming because he just felt himself burning alive and freezing at the same time and swaering never to do that again, only to groan as he immediatly has to.
You could forshadow this by him doing thr opposite to stay warm in arendale.... and accidentally turning his winter coat into a bondfire with the first try.
I don't know that maleficent was ever 'evil for the hell of it' she was pretry polite until spurned. What if you have evil malrficent, developing into the other maleficent but with flashes of evil fun? By all means hace evil fun, but it can also be fun to have her queation whih maleficent she is herself. Or play her evil tenencies for awkwardness around aurora.
Say... Aurora 'innocently' suggests an interpretaion of an evil act that makes it good and maleficent plays along.
The Maleficent idea has merit, and Hiccup setting his coat aflame by accident is rather amusing, though if he was radiating enough cold to snuff out the flames, wouldn’t that mean he wouldn’t be able to feel said flames?..
Really jumping topic because this one has nothing to do with this story idea beyond it also involves an ‘anti hero’ Hiccup, but have randomly been struck by an idea for a one shot…
What if when Hiccup was young Stoick told the him tale of how Drago Bludvist decimated the gathering of chieftains (which incidentally were called Things in real life, and are where we get the word ‘thing’) giving Hiccup the idea to study dragons with the intent to create a dragon army, though probably with methods more similar to ‘canon’ Hiccup than Drago, threatening to rain metaphorical hellfire on any tribe that threatens Berk?
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10 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
Both. They want her back and back to her old seld, but use her to keep children and themselves in line.
An 'I want her back but i hope i meet her standards' type thing.
they've heard both versions but ehy became cobfused and combined kver the years, so there's some debate whether it's the same maleficent or which one's real. Either way they don't want to hurt the sleeping girl. Though maybe some, like florian, fantasize about waking her and using her to become king.
That would work, though I admit I’m still unsure how much of which version of Maleficent I’ll use, since ‘Maleficent’’s version does have more character to work with, but I still like the classic ‘Evil for the fun of it’ version…
Jumping topic a bit, but what if in addition to fire and lightning magic, Hiccup was able to wield ice magic to a degree, possibly justified as Cryas, one of the Netherghul an elfess with ice powers, teaching him?
Granted not much reason for this idea beyond to fill out the ‘fire-lightning-ice’ trio and because I kind of want to give Hiccup a ‘White Walker style extinguishing the flames by walking through them’ scene...
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5 hours ago, Strange_idea said:
Elvess sounds nice. I've also seen she-elf
Fair enough, I admit my idea of ‘woelf’ was mainly because ‘woman’ has the ‘man’ of ‘human’ in it… and now i think I recall reading that in LOTR a female elf is called an ‘elleth’… then again Tolkien’s plural of ‘dwarf’ was apparently ‘dwarrow’...
5 hours ago, Strange_idea said:Well, mostly it would be Hiccup falling for it.
The elves would be getting maleficent back, since she grew up in the area and is something of a legend. And Aurora having been in the firest for so long (albeit asleep) with Oberon having guarded her the elves accepting her as... well not a ruler but a go-betwen between her and the overlord makes sense.
Titania's character moments would be given to maleficent and aurora, particularly mal while she was trying to keep up the facade.
As opposed to grimhilde who doesn't care if the dwarves want her in charge.
You make a good point about Maleficent being a figure of legend, but would it be a nice legend, like king Arthur to the British, or a bad one, like the boogey man to children?..
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11 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
It was.part of my suggestion for titania to be a disguise for maleficent. Remember the conrltest i suggested? Where they were conpeting ti be has Queen? The one who one bets on areas would make up a persona, send idunna out to be 'rescued' in that disguise then the sorceress in question would switch in to spend thr night.
However maleficent winds up keeping the titania persona to spend more time with aurora, and accidentally helps hiccup be a better person because he keeps running into 'titania' and she gives him good guy advice as part of the disguise. She would ultimately give the land to aurora and rule it with her after getting free.
That would be a possibility, though if there was someone new to the area claiming she was the queen, one would think the elves would expose the rouse... unless in this idea Titania is just a random... Did we ever figure out the proper term for a female elf? elfess?.. woelf?.. ..I admit I'm blanking on a third option...
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2 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
And they Are living in her home. At the very least, this detour would give her nore bonding time with her daughter..…
And she'd probably agree just to get her old castle back.
Although is Aurora does wind up getting the elf lands like i suggested you could make a joke about her mom giving her a kingdom within visible distance from her own.
It works as a name.
I admit I don't happen to recall your suggestion to give Aurora oversight of Evernight Forest, my pan had been for that to remain with king Oberon's widow queen Titania, though the idea has merit
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Yes, their home is called Dol Gubad, which I admit I couldn't think of a name off the top of my head so I just smushed the names of the two orc strongholds from the Hobbit films together, Dol Guldur and Gundabad
Them worshiping Maleficent is a possibility I had not considered... They would at least know who she is from the tales passed down...
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Just now, Strange_idea said:
Remind me about dol gubad.
Are we still having them attack the elves/fairies?
The malificent idea seems really good! And the second one seems workable, but i worry about the timeline, so i need the carification so i can sort it out
Well, I had planned for Hiccup to set his sights on the orc fortress after a raiding party attack the Evernight elves' village, the latest move in a long feud between races, after said village had sworn allegiance to Hiccup, prompting him to retaliate, intending to 'put an end to this feud once and for all', which the elves assume means 'wipe out the orcs', not 'conquer them too.'
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3 hours ago, Strange_idea said:
Hmmm. It can be tricky to pull that off. I can probably find an exanple. Do you intend to follownthe whole musical and have it take command of the world, disney style or have people reacting to it comedicly?
Depends on what you mean by 'take command of the world', as I said the Minions and dragons would probably join their Overlord/alpha in song, but there wouldn't be pillars of rock suddenly erupting from the ground…
Changing the topic, but I have been struck by two ideas concerning the orcs of Dol Gubad.…
1. What if their mountain fortress was Maleficent's old base, with them possibly being the descendants of her minions?
2. What if Chiefess Aza had a second in command named Lura, an orcess with very dark brown/black skin and yellow eyes, who at least had a one night stand with Hiccup, likely become a mistress?
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Thank ye, and to answer a previous comment of you're, I had intended for Hiccup to be boosted in 'certain areas' as in the challenge, which I'd part of the reason I decided to make the women amazons, so everything would fit.
New topic, but I've been struck by an idea tied to your suggestion of Ursula teaching Hiccup dramatics, that may well be the result of watching to many music videos on YouTube...
What if after Hiccup escaped from the Internal Abyss, perhaps a tad... off after a year or two of solitary confinement, and start his long planned conquest of the Barbaric Archipelago, when he's discussing the plans with the dragons he's intimidated into accepting him as alpha, he gives a rendition of Scar's 'Be Prepared', possibly with the Minions and dragons taking the roles of the hyenas
I can see Mim joining in back at the Tower, but all the other mistresses being worried
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5 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
hmmm. we already have the viking leader girls doing that if memory serves…. we could have the sorceresses change hiccup to valka can ‘let loose’ with the dragons on her island and him, (though she keeps the form). We’ve seen they can do it.
that said, we don;t want to be too overpowered. maybe it’s a regional thing? as in hiccup can only do it on her island? or they do;t give him the ability, just change him into a dragon-man and back after
send you the comics later. theoretically, if he used potions to enhance the…. right areas similar to the girls, he could make do at his standard size, but it’d have to be temporary for the other girls and because that much blood flow would kill him
Fair enough, fair enough
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6 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
oh, sorry. i meant the right size to be valka’s PARTNER not valka.
and yeah, that could be an issue, but there’s some examples to work with. I know some jack/arcee comics to use as ideas if you want…. it mostly means they might have to take turns pleasing each other. If they both go they can take turns teaming up on each of the dragon girls, with hiccup in the front and the other reaching around from behind.
My apologies for misunderstanding you
Though now I'm struck by an idea, what if when Hiccup corrupted the Barbaric Archipelago with the Tower Shards, it gave all the Vikings the ability to shift into dragon form, the same as dragons can shift into Viking/human form?
Not sure if 'Vikings' would would include the Defenders of the Wing, the Wingmaidens, the Dragon Hunters/Drago's army, combined into one force under Hiccup's leadership, or Hiccup himself…
Night
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3 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
hmmmm… remember the ‘alpha to slave” route? i reccomend demona siding against hiccup for a at least the first story and being given to eliza for that purpose. If you did go esmerelda the gargoyle you could have her talk her into it and help her tease her.
also, weren’t we going to make valka, ‘valka the vast’ the dragon girl? the bewilderbeast would be about the right size i think
A fair suggestion to the first, and if she was included in the story, perhaps Angela could try to 'persuade' Hiccup to be merciful to her mother… not sure if I'll include the gargoyle Esmeralda, but I'll consider it.
That was the plan, but I had been planning for Valka's dragon form to be a Stormcutter... though just for the sake of saying the 'normal sized man' I referred to in the above bit of confusion was Hiccup... maybe instead of being a full giantess the as of yet unnamed she Bewilderbeast's human form could be closer to 11 or 12 feet tall…
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17 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
maybe bewliderbeast is valka’s first mistress and assistant?
bimbettes could be her research assistants/willing guinnea pigs
Thank ye for the pictures, and the Bewilderbeast idea has merit, she could be a sort of 'replacement' for Valka's Bewilderbeast that was slain by Drago's... maybe her human form could be modeled on Ginormica from 'Monsters versus Aliens'... Though now my. Ind is balking at the mechanics of intimacy between a normal sized man and a giantess…
The assistants idea has merits, perhaps that could be Fifi's role as well…
Though now I'm struck by the idea of Demona and Elisa being 'co-queens' of the succubus clan and kind of forming a shoulder devil/angel pair, with Demona understandably being less than fond of humans due to their treatment of succubi, with Elisa pointing out that its only some humans that are like that, and most are nice/neutral.
Maybe include that they have daughters (perhaps half sisters?) named Angela and Delilah respectively...
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5 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
I do think they should finish her. An actual antagonist can be good and really, she doesn’t seem his type. if you want to do more with her, you can either have the empire use her body to make the destroyer or have toothless absorb her somehow to become HUGE
It just seemed to be an idea that belle could be both figrues, the beauty and beast. possibly with his temper and isolation (maybe due to research frustration) and being the master/mistress of the house
That is fair point about the Red Death, though I admit the idea of Toothless absorbing some of the Red Death's power had not occurred to me...
And now I'm struck by a similar thought about what to do with the presumably female Bewilderbeast they introduced in the final episode of RTTE, if I feature her at all…
A fair suggestion about Belle isolating her laboratory/library...
Not sure if I'll include the Bimbettes from the challenge though given that they have little character to work with, might have them be maids, such as you can 'hire' in the first game, that try and seduce Hiccup, with the Aladdin 'balcony girls' having similar roles when they show up...
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Just now, Strange_idea said:
it would be interesting to mix their characters, belle’s and the beast’s
Mix how?
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Talking about the shale shifting of the dragons has mad a thought occur to me, what should Hiccup do to the Red Death? I can see two possibilities…
1. Since the Red Death is female (probably a giantess in human form instead of 'merely' Viking sized) make her a mistress, shaming the once proud alpha with servitude.
2. Given that the Red Death is the main reason behind the dragon-Viking war, and is possibly cannibalistic, depending on whether the various dragons are races within the same species, or separate species onto themselves, I admit I lean towards the latter, by most logic Hiccup should just put her out of everyone else's misery.
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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:
probably better. just thought it was a cool design
Eh, I asked for suggestions, and a suggestion you offered
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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:
well, belle always WAS the odd duck out.
This is true, and I missed the comment you made about the dragons' human forms having scale like markings, which is something I had not contemplated, I had planned for them to just have pale skin, with the same color eyes as their dragon form, and hair the same color as their scales, meaning Toothless could masquerade as a normal human with black hair and green eyes for example, but Stormfly would stand out with yellow eyes and sky blue hair with blond streaks
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11 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
I like the ‘huh, not me’ angle.
belle could be an ameteur alchemist/inventor/mage trying to cure it
or just the village bookworm
Thank you for the pictures, and now I'm struck by the idea that once Hiccup hears the tale, he doesn't even have to say anything, he just 'hmms' and Maleficent in Mirage reflexively say "Not me this time." knowing Hiccup would, not within out reason, suspect one of them. Not sure if the unnamed enchantress from the film who did cast the curse will show up, if a curse was indeed cast... 50/50 on whether the beasts will be a 'natural' race…
Though if it was a curse, if it had been cast generations back, would they still be trying cure it, or just accept it as the normal state of affairs?..
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17 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
i might know a few.
speaking of, two ideas of the bat. she could either be holed up in a mansion full or cursed were-people trying to find a cure…. or everyone could be turned into furniture, and she’s still trying to find a cure.
her BEING the beast (and i mean doing his character parts, not just being animalistic) would be a fun twist
That is an idea I had not considered, I had planned for there to just be a village of beasts, perhaps in the Gévaudan region of France just for the heck of it, possibly the result of a curse several generations back, causing Hiccup to immediately suspect to himself either Maleficent or Mirage, but their hands are clean in this one
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9 hours ago, Strange_idea said:
Yeah, disney used to act out film scenes. The crew swear that snow white m8ght have single-handedly set the bar too high for future expectations but it was NOTHING on walt's version
Hmmm. He could he the anti-black baron. What if black baron died tryibg to steal the crystal, causing the disaster, and a dying yen taught snow everything he could. Via a book he put a copy of himself in. It could be used as a magic tutor to the others and source of advice to snow, but needs her to vouch for them.
9 hours ago, Strange_idea said:He could have woken her up and called her with his last breath, seeking a worthy successor.
Those would work
Jumping topics again, but given that you managed to track down several pictures of Megara as Hades, could you try and find one of Belle as a beast? I have attempted the search, but failed...
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27 minutes ago, Strange_idea said:
And locked in an underground coffin.... oh, maybe she leared more craft (after raiding her mothers ilbrary) by living in the light tower ruins for a few years, and its part of what shaped her to be so non-conflict, recognising the extremes of her philsophies.
We could have some annonymous flashback paragraphs to the ruins of the tower that are revealed to be her, later
This is a possibility…
I have been struck by an idea for who could have been trying to make the Light Heart (which I might call the Castle Heart which sounds marginally less silly to me), Yen Sid, the sorcerer from the short 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' who is apparently the most powerful good magic user in all of Disney, and incidentally modeled after Walt Disney himself by the crew animating the short
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Take your time
Though now that I think about it Snow couldn't have had much of a role, if one at all, in trying to make the Light Heart, given that its creation would have taken place at the same time, or very shortly after the Tower Heart's, when she would have been a mere apprentice at most...
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1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:
nah, we need her sane enough to work on the spell.
maybe idunna, we had idunna studying magic.
alternatively, we have clarion or the collective fairies of pixie hollow. or clarion BACKED by the collective fairies of pixie hollow
Or Ariel with her dad’s trident and some ursula training.
we seem to have a redundancy.
you know i sort of assumed snow was an anti-overlord, but i can’t really see her building that weapon, unless it was a not-weapon that just went REALLY wrong. i dunno.
1 minute ago, Strange_idea said:plus it’s more of an impact if SNOW is corrupted, because we’re more invested in her at this time.
These are both true...
Tell me what ye think of the movie when ye get it finished, and night
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Meh, I said that this idea also involved an anti hero, someone who preforms evilish actions to achieve good, Hiccup, and would ‘everyone’ be able to do it if Hiccup never shared the secret of taming/training the dragons?
Mainly the above idle idea came about because I’ve read a few ‘dark Hiccup’ stories, which always seem to be abandoned by the writers after a few chapters, and was struck by the thought ‘What if there was one of these stories where instead of turning on Berk, Hiccup wanted to protect it?’