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Do you write smut that doesn't personally excite you?

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2 hours ago, SirGeneralSir said:

ive seen a ………… few, stories where all it was, was characters having sex, very little plot or general story, yet its 5 – 10? chapters long.

stories like that personally put me off, I have always been that way with most things.

Games, TV, Movies and books have to have a good story to keep me into it, just having some kind of content for no reason tends to be replaced by something else of better quality.

more can be better, but it can also hurt the story too, i think im running into that with my story.

Hey don't shit on PWP! Its porn! I need my spank material!

10 hours ago, mastershakeme said:

Why and how do I think I can write M/M no problem? Well, the only reason I thought I could is because I’ve seen other females in the past BLOW me away with their M/M sex scenes (at least I think they were female 

Oh s not that hard, you just do your research and you’re covered! Well I hope so…

I mean you see it all the time, men writing lesbians, female whiting gay guys and in het writing from another persons POV. Thats what writers do, we put ourselves in other ppls shoes.

 

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10 hours ago, mastershakeme said:

I already know how you feel about my sex scenes :rolleyes: I’m on here looking for help, kay!

Well just because I didn't like most of them, doesn't mean other ppl don't. I can only speak for me and my taste in the end. If your not sure how your readers feel about the sex, ask them to comment on it specifically and to tell you what they're interested in seeing. Tho I'm sure they liked it otherwise they'd complain or stop reading. And if you like the sex you wrote who am I to tell you to change? Well yeah ur beta but...you know what I mean!

But s good ur looking for improvement if you’re not satisfied.

2 hours ago, mastershakeme said:

I strive to get some strong sexual tension started, I can DO THAT. What I'm not sure I can do is live up to the expectations my UST put forth. 

I think you got a pretty good sexual tension going in the beginning of Parasitic Love though some of that dispersed a bit when the characters started fucking around -which is only to be expected, i honestly don't think I coulda pulled it off better if I was writing ur story. So when it comes to sexual tension ur doing pretty fucking good (at least in what I read so far) so dont be so hard on urself boo boo!

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25 minutes ago, Desiderius Price said:

I started writing a PWP a few years ago (still unpublished), and the questions that arose out of, well, it became a jumping off point to the original stories that I am publishing.  Once I evolve my universe/stories to the point in time that the PWP occurs, it won’t be so much PWP anymore.

Yee s what always happens to me too!

I set out to write a PWP or with very minimal plot and then it just gets totally out of control

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18 minutes ago, sweetmamajama said:

Well just because I didn't like most of them, doesn't mean other ppl don't. I can only speak for me and my taste in the end. If your not sure how your readers feel about the sex, ask them to comment on it specifically and to tell you what they're interested in seeing. Tho I'm sure they liked it otherwise they'd complain or stop reading. And if you like the sex you wrote who am I to tell you to change? Well yeah ur beta but...you know what I mean!

But s good ur looking for improvement if you’re not satisfied.

I think you got a pretty good sexual tension going in the beginning of Parasitic Love though some of that dispersed a bit when the characters started fucking around -which is only to be expected, i honestly don't think I coulda pulled it off better if I was writing ur story. So when it comes to sexual tension ur doing pretty fucking good (at least in what I read so far) so dont be so hard on urself boo boo!

:'( thanks...... Lol appreciated. Now I'm all emotional! 

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On ‎2017‎-‎05‎-‎29 at 5:53 AM, sweetmamajama said:

I set out to write a PWP or with very minimal plot and then it just gets totally out of control

LOL.  Out of control, you?  No, can’t be.  Must be talking about someone else…

I can’t do the PWP, myself, not because I don’t want to, but because I always set out without a plot, then it develops into something that needs multiple chapters to complete with an in depth plot that no longer quantifies it as a PWP…  Damn overworked Muse, can’t stop developing stuff!

To answer the original question, though, I try to write something in that doesn’t personally excite me in everything I write.  I think BaH is going to be the biggest one I’m going to have with that regards…  Most of the tags are stuff that I don’t personally get off on…  But, that said, I do have one line that I won’t cross…  I applaud those writing minor1/minor2, but that’s something I’ve tried and it just weirds me out a little too much…  I’ll beta off on stuff, but yeah, I don’t think I’ll be writing it...

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13 minutes ago, Tcr said:

LOL.  Out of control, you?  No, can’t be.  Must be talking about someone else…

I can’t do the PWP, myself, not because I don’t want to, but because I always set out without a plot, then it develops into something that needs multiple chapters to complete with an in depth plot that no longer quantifies it as a PWP…  Damn overworked Muse, can’t stop developing stuff!

To answer the original question, though, I try to write something in that doesn’t personally excite me in everything I write.  I think BaH is going to be the biggest one I’m going to have with that regards…  Most of the tags are stuff that I don’t personally get off on…  But, that said, I do have one line that I won’t cross…  I applaud those writing minor1/minor2, but that’s something I’ve tried and it just weirds me out a little too much…  I’ll beta off on stuff, but yeah, I don’t think I’ll be writing it...

I don’t want to ruffle feathers, but what’s wrong with NOT being able to write a PWP? I mean, I guess I could write one. But I’d just be making so much up on the spot, I think I’d get stressed out… I don’t know I like to build on characters and see progression, so I don’t think PWP is my thing either. If you can write plot with depth and you can also do a short and engaging PWP then you are a genius and why are you here, lol! Jk… I just struggle with short stories in any form. I think having a plot and then having sex on the side is easier for me because by the time I get to the sex, I love the characters too, and I give extra attention on their sexy time ^_^

That last thing you said about writing stuff that doesn’t personally excite you… I’m a little confused, because the most basic tip in writing I’ve ever come across was to ‘write what you know and love’. I think your audience can tell when you really don’t like something. I think it negatively affects the content, but that’s just my opinion I guess. I can understand the challenge, but hopefully if your writing is good enough, you’ll be able to convince even yourself that you like what your writing.

 

 

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(I’ve been quiet because I’ve been enjoying reading the sprawling discussion ^^)

I enjoy PWP every now and then (both reading and writing), mostly in fanfiction instead of original fiction, but most of the time I enjoy writing out a full story.

14 minutes ago, Tcr said:

But, that said, I do have one line that I won’t cross…  I applaud those writing minor1/minor2, but that’s something I’ve tried and it just weirds me out a little too much…  I’ll beta off on stuff, but yeah, I don’t think I’ll be writing it...

 

I guess I don’t find it all that weird to write about because children are still sexual creatures. They explore their bodies and those of other children and do experience stimulation and orgasm. (I feel like a total weirdo talking about this. Let me clarify that I believe that fiction is fine, but obviously having sex with real children in real life is bad, m’kay)

 

14 minutes ago, mastershakeme said:

That last thing you said about writing about stuff that doesn’t personally excite you… I’m a little confused, because the most basic tip in writing I’ve ever come across was to ‘write what you know and love’. I think your audience can tell when you really don’t like something. I think it negatively affects the content, but that’s just my opinion I guess. I can understand the challenge, but hopefully if your writing is good enough, you’ll be able to convince even yourself that you like what your writing.

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I can’t speak for Tcr, but for me, when I write about things that I don’t like or that don’t turn me on I try to put myself in the shoes of the person who does enjoy it and then write from that point of view. For instance, if I decide to write from the point of view of a drug addict, even though I’ve never touched (non-prescription) drugs in my life, I’d do a bunch of research, probably read about people who used to be addicts, and then try my best to write about the feelings and struggles of being on and off the drugs. While having experience and loving what you’re writing about do help your writing, it isn’t mandatory for good writing. After all, I doubt Michael Crichton ever had experience in bringing dinosaurs back from extinction and making a theme park with them ;)

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6 minutes ago, Keltiel said:

I can’t speak for Tcr, but for me, when I write about things that I don’t like or that don’t turn me on I try to put myself in the shoes of the person who does enjoy it and then write from that point of view. For instance, if I decide to write from the point of view of a drug addict, even though I’ve never touched (non-prescription) drugs in my life, I’d do a bunch of research, probably read about people who used to be addicts, and then try my best to write about the feelings and struggles of being on and off the drugs. While having experience and loving what you’re writing about do help your writing, it isn’t mandatory for good writing. After all, I doubt Michael Crichton ever had experience in bringing dinosaurs back from extinction and making a theme park with them ;)

Well said… and I’m going to shut up! I love what you said about getting into their shoes because I think, above all, that’s what I meant… If you going to write a drug addict, then they’ll lick the fucking floor if they happen to accidently spill their power. Of course that’s disgusting! But in their shoes, all your thinking about is the high… that sweet, sweet high ^_^ You convince yourself that’s all there is, just go for it. Lick that filthy floor!

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27 minutes ago, mastershakeme said:

That last thing you said about writing stuff that doesn’t personally excite you… I’m a little confused, because the most basic tip in writing I’ve ever come across was to ‘write what you know and love’. I think your audience can tell when you really don’t like something. I think it negatively affects the content, but that’s just my opinion I guess. I can understand the challenge, but hopefully if your writing is good enough, you’ll be able to convince even yourself that you like what your writing.

Okay…  lol.  I’ll take BaH as my example here.  In the tags, as in the story, I do not personally get excited over the concept, written or otherwise, of rape.  However, I definitely love my history, I love trying to write the characters, I love transforming them.  Writing BaH and CHHW are all part of what I love and know, but some elements may not be personally stimulating for me.  The time frame for BaH was rife with things that are disturbing and not something I want to see in reality, but writing them is something that has to be done.  Not sure if I’m making any sense or just confusing more…

6 minutes ago, Keltiel said:

I guess I don’t find it all that weird to write about because children are still sexual creatures. They explore their bodies and those of other children and do experience stimulation and orgasm. (I feel like a total weirdo talking about this. Let me clarify that I believe that fiction is fine, but obviously having sex with real children in real life is bad, m’kay)

We’re all weirdos here, that’s why we write.  But yes, I understand, certainly.  And obviously, there’s a calling for it, so I’m not saying it can’t be, but it’s not something I, personally, would write.  Certainly, writing fiction is fine, but carrying it out in reality is not.

9 minutes ago, Keltiel said:

I can’t speak for Tcr, but for me, when I write about things that I don’t like or that don’t turn me on I try to put myself in the shoes of the person who does enjoy it and then write from that point of view. For instance, if I decide to write from the point of view of a drug addict, even though I’ve never touched (non-prescription) drugs in my life, I’d do a bunch of research, probably read about people who used to be addicts, and then try my best to write about the feelings and struggles of being on and off the drugs. While having experience and loving what you’re writing about do help your writing, it isn’t mandatory for good writing. After all, I doubt Michael Crichton ever had experience in bringing dinosaurs back from extinction and making a theme park with them ;)

That’s a good way to think and to carry out the writing.  I try to do the same, for all the characters, not just the ones that don’t get me going.  Taking BaH for example (...again), I’ve never lived under the eminent threat of death that encompassed Germany at the time, never had to make the decisions any of the characters did, so I try to put myself back to that point.  It’s a little easier since that’s something I love (I love history and the World Wars are the areas most interesting to me).  But I do the research still, in characters, in everything I can do.  Come Hell or High Water is the same way…  Unfortunately, living in current times, I’ll probably never experience the wonders of the universe…  lol.  That said, I have tried to research characters to create real characters.  Stuff that doesn’t interest me, take the rape example from earlier, I’ve spent weeks trying to formulate a comprehensive, dark, yet strangely interesting scene regarding this (especially since this is a big moment in that character’s life...  Actually, this is one of those several huge moments in that character’s life and will have several overarching ramifications to the rest of the story.)

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9 minutes ago, mastershakeme said:

You convince yourself that’s all there is, just go for it. Lick that filthy floor!

Sounds like a bad remix of a song…

“There it is!  Lick that floor!  LICK-LICK-LICK that filthy floor!”

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9 minutes ago, Keltiel said:

I enjoy PWP every now and then (both reading and writing), mostly in fanfiction instead of original fiction, but most of the time I enjoy writing out a full story.

Hadn’t really considered it, but there is a difference in PWP of fanfiction vs original fiction.  In a PWP fanfic, you have the benefit of context, of characters that have already been built up, so if you write a Dumbledore/Riddle PWP, there’s already a backstory that the reader’s aware of.  But, a PWP original fic, without a world already built up, then it’s likely more gratifying, IMO, to google and get more vivid imagery/video of said act (assuming the act is legal).

52 minutes ago, Tcr said:

I can’t do the PWP, myself, not because I don’t want to, but because I always set out without a plot, then it develops into something that needs multiple chapters to complete with an in depth plot that no longer quantifies it as a PWP…  Damn overworked Muse, can’t stop developing stuff!

I’ve got trouble there, myself.  In my current fic, I’ve got some scenes that are rather close to PWP, but those do serve a  purpose, even if the main focus of the chapter’s on the act.

2 minutes ago, Tcr said:

We’re all weirdos here, that’s why we write.  But yes, I understand, certainly.  And obviously, there’s a calling for it, so I’m not saying it can’t be, but it’s not something I, personally, would write.  Certainly, writing fiction is fine, but carrying it out in reality is not.

I’m a weirdo! :flash:  And it’s fine that there’s a line you won’t personally cross – that’s the original question of the topic :)  Me, I don’t see myself doing [mpreg] anytime soon, but I’ll write teen/teen.  I do feel some ickiness if it’s adult/teen, and I’ll strike Thor’s hammer at any character pursuing adult/kid.

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18 minutes ago, mastershakeme said:

Well said… and I’m going to shut up! I love what you said about getting into their shoes because I think, above all, that’s what I meant… If you going to write a drug addict, then they’ll lick the fucking floor if they happen to accidently spill their power. Of course that’s disgusting! But in their shoes, all your thinking about is the high… that sweet, sweet high ^_^ You convince yourself that’s all there is, just go for it. Lick that filthy floor!

XD You don’t need to shut up, I enjoy the discussion and differing opinions. And you’re right that you do need to love what you’re writing, even if you don’t enjoy all of the content therein.

 

9 minutes ago, Tcr said:

That’s a good way to think and to carry out the writing.  I try to do the same, for all the characters, not just the ones that don’t get me going.  Taking BaH for example (...again), I’ve never lived under the eminent threat of death that encompassed Germany at the time, never had to make the decisions any of the characters did, so I try to put myself back to that point.  It’s a little easier since that’s something I love (I love history and the World Wars are the areas most interesting to me).  But I do the research still, in characters, in everything I can do.  Come Hell or High Water is the same way…  Unfortunately, living in current times, I’ll probably never experience the wonders of the universe…  lol.  That said, I have tried to research characters to create real characters.  Stuff that doesn’t interest me, take the rape example from earlier, I’ve spent weeks trying to formulate a comprehensive, dark, yet strangely interesting scene regarding this (especially since this is a big moment in that character’s life...  Actually, this is one of those several huge moments in that character’s life and will have several overarching ramifications to the rest of the story.)

 

That’s what I think makes great writers: making your characters into actual people and not just a flat reflection of what a person should be.

3 minutes ago, Desiderius Price said:

I’m a weirdo! :flash:  And it’s fine that there’s a line you won’t personally cross – that’s the original question of the topic :)  Me, I don’t see myself doing [mpreg] anytime soon, but I’ll write teen/teen.  I do feel some ickiness if it’s adult/teen, and I’ll strike Thor’s hammer at any character pursuing adult/kid.

 

I can only do MPreg if there’s a very good reason behind it, like magic or aliens or something plausible for the universe it’s in. Though I also don’t see myself writing it anytime soon.

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Yes. I have quite a few that would go into things like rape fantasies, BDSM, SM, and many others. I don’t prefer it, and have a history with abuse, but I’ll write it. How I see it is this way: Just because it’s not in my life, or didn’t/did happen to me, doesn’t mean that it’s not in their life and did/didn’t happen to them.

Though there are such things I wont’ write about. I won’t write scat, bodily functions like that. Vomit is ok, long as it’s not a fetish, I can’t do that. 

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23 hours ago, Shunskitten said:

Yes. I have quite a few that would go into things like rape fantasies, BDSM, SM, and many others. I don’t prefer it, and have a history with abuse, but I’ll write it. How I see it is this way: Just because it’s not in my life, or didn’t/did happen to me, doesn’t mean that it’s not in their life and did/didn’t happen to them.

Though there are such things I wont’ write about. I won’t write scat, bodily functions like that. Vomit is ok, long as it’s not a fetish, I can’t do that. 

Ya know what… I swear something is wrong with my brain. My creative side, the one that writes novels for fun isn’t the same side of me that reads rape, torture, extreme mutilation and occasionally SCAT. They DON’T mix but somehow they’re inside of me… weird. I have fricken multiple personalities, I swear. But anyway, I just don’t put my kinks in my stories, I’ve tried to write a few kinky ones, but they will never see the light of day. I tried to make a “Boxing Helene” ese story, M/M, but it was just worried about how it made me look! I just like to watch other people do it lol. I’m a wimp.

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39 minutes ago, mastershakeme said:

Ya know what… I swear something is wrong with my brain. My creative side, the one that writes novels for fun isn’t the same side of me that reads rape, torture, extreme mutilation and occasionally SCAT. They DON’T mix but somehow they’re inside of me… weird. I have fricken multiple personalities, I swear. But anyway, I just don’t put my kinks in my stories, I’ve tried to write a few kinky ones, but they will never see the light of day. I tried to make a “Boxing Helene” ese story, M/M, but it was just worried about how it made me look! I just like to watch other people do it lol. I’m a wimp.

I’ll write bodily functions, as needed – sometimes it’s just to give the character that extra bit of embarrassment that they really need to have at the worst possible moment :P

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On 2017-6-1 at 7:44 AM, Keltiel said:

I can only do MPreg if there’s a very good reason behind it, like magic or aliens or something plausible for the universe it’s in. Though I also don’t see myself writing it anytime soon

Now I want to see all the writers on this thread do a collection of MPREG shorts. 

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2 hours ago, CloverReef said:

Now I want to see all the writers on this thread do a collection of MPREG shorts. 

Nope, nope, nope…:lol:

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53 minutes ago, Desiderius Price said:

CloverReef, the cabin boy, was cursed by the Mighty Dragon Wench to be in a perpetual state of MPreg, experiencing the contractions of labor on a daily basis.*

I know it involves me being perpetually in unimaginable pain, but I like it. Now they all have to star me. Y’all can thank DP for that! 

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On 6/3/2017 at 3:36 PM, mastershakeme said:

 

Ya know what… I swear something is wrong with my brain. My creative side, the one that writes novels for fun isn’t the same side of me that reads rape, torture, extreme mutilation and occasionally SCAT. They DON’T mix but somehow they’re inside of me… weird. I have fricken multiple personalities, I swear. But anyway, I just don’t put my kinks in my stories, I’ve tried to write a few kinky ones, but they will never see the light of day. I tried to make a “Boxing Helene” ese story, M/M, but it was just worried about how it made me look! I just like to watch other people do it lol. I’m a wimp.

Don’t feel bad! Some things that I read and enjoy will have it in there and it won’t bother me in the slightest! I find it hard to write personally. However there is one thing I won’t write, and it’s premature birth up to week 35. It’s literally traumatizing to write it after dealing with it myself. 35 and up is fine, but 34 adn under? No. Can’t do it. I’ll be reduced to a blubbering mess with a bag of chips and about 13 mugs of coffee.

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11 hours ago, Shunskitten said:

Don’t feel bad! Some things that I read and enjoy will have it in there and it won’t bother me in the slightest! I find it hard to write personally. However there is one thing I won’t write, and it’s premature birth up to week 35. It’s literally traumatizing to write it after dealing with it myself. 35 and up is fine, but 34 adn under? No. Can’t do it. I’ll be reduced to a blubbering mess with a bag of chips and about 13 mugs of coffee.

WOW….. I’m so sorry to hear about that news. I hope everything is ok, but I won’t say anymore on this public forum.

Anywho, we all need a bag of chips and a little caffeine from time to time :P I struggle with emotional eating, because I’m a girl lol! Actually, I’m gonna go have some buttery noodles right now! Carbs are my go to comfort food :D 

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This is an interesting subject. I used to wonder sometimes about the people who write the horrific things I’ve read but then I wrote something that was probably equally horrific and figured someone was probably wondering the same thing about me. So in short, yes, I’ve written smut that doesn’t excite me in the least.

Oh and I’m writing a shifter MPreg because BW needs something new to read. :D

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3 minutes ago, CL Mustafic said:

This is an interesting subject. I used to wonder sometimes about the people who write the horrific things I’ve read but then I wrote something that was probably equally horrific and figured someone was probably wondering the same thing about me. So in short, yes, I’ve written smut that doesn’t excite me in the least.

Oh and I’m writing a shifter MPreg because BW needs something new to read. :D

I looooooove Mpreg :P Idk. I’m attempting my first one now, but I haven’t gotten him preggers yet! Awwwww, it’s so adorable!

OhhhhH! What’s a shifter? Are we talking wolves here?

I kinda expect more of us are kinker than we let on! What kinda ‘horrific’ content have you attempted? I suspect some of the people writing these off the wall, disturbing fics, are like closet maniacs :P I’m crazy in my own way, but…. I’ve got no murder fantasies bouncing around in my noggin, it’s mostly soppy romance junk! Lol, yay! 

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5 minutes ago, CL Mustafic said:

I used to wonder sometimes about the people who write the horrific things I’ve read but then I wrote something that was probably equally horrific and figured someone was probably wondering the same thing about me.

I don't have to wonder about people.   I sit back, read mine, and go "I'm a little demented, aren't I?"  I'm sure as Blood and Honour goes along, for example, and disturbing things come up, people are going to think I escaped a psych ward, but I'm okay with that...  The cops at the door...   Well, that's something else...   Need to find more spaces to hide bodies!  Lol.

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