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hmmmm….. some source of light magic. one that mirror’s the tower’s crystal
or we think of a different conflict for the jungle.
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As for the tower thing, i mostly saw it as Snow and Aurora meeting up and going to the tower (after the magic cataclysm) to charge the crystal with their own power in an attempt to ‘cure’ it’s corruptive influence and protect the people there, channeling their love for them and want to help into it. the first few times don;t work, but by focusing on their love of hiccup and the ‘dark’ people they now are good (such as maleficent and toothless) the magics cease to fight it almost works, creating a protective spell that keeps the denizens safe but not quite curing it. they consider this an acceptable result. the inside of the crystal has a streak of light lazily floating around in it like arurora borealis or the stars. Later, after rapunzel is brought to the tower and meets the girls and joins in with them, she eventually meets the two and is impressed by what they’re doing. she willingly give them the sundrop to complete the sell, which gives life and rejuvenation to everyone in the kingdom and in hiccup’s extended harem. Like in canon, he mother recognises her anyway. she gets her magic hair back after though, like in her series.
13 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:Those are possibilities, though I had been referring to light and dark less in the 'good and evil' sense, than the 'elemental' sense…
Though now I'm struck by the idea of Snow being corrupted, similar to Fay in the second game, with all that light being turned to take making her slightly unstable...
just covering all bases, though i do think snow would be a good exception to the light/dark dichotomy. think of it this way, she uses light and it does burn darkness but she hates that since she wants to help those people too, so by convinceing her magic their ‘good’ she can make it more complient.
Hmmm.. if we move lightwood up we could get a lot of character moments from snow out of this.
unless… what if she gets the corruption based on the above ‘safety spell’ charge. aurora could step in to save her life and being more ‘netural’ and drained for less time, she isn’t corrupted, and she manages to help snow keep herself, but the corruption is THERE as a voice in her head. that could be the thing that makes her magic hurt hiccup, similar to how the wizard in the first game turned the heroes qualities against them, she never had that problem before and takes up speaking to herself to soothe the corruption, which worries people. it would also give Grimhilde an excuse to have scenes with her daughter, pushing her to give in and be the true evil queen (being unsatisfied with hiccup’s progression). Maybe she forbids snow from going after him before, so the corruption makes her do it out of spite and Grimhilde begins encouraging her since she sees the opportunity. unlike the other suitors, Grimhilde is a corruptive influence that must be overcome not a helping force in winning hiccup’s heart. she ultimately does
I was envisioning her as a kind of light and peace version of the overlord, and this just makes her a better parallel to hiccup.
You could have her bearing it onto herself, begging them not to worry or tell hiccup and Aurura and the others looking for a solution. She powers the crystal in the forest since unlike fay she isn;t weakened by evil presence anymore and because she knows what the price will be then tells hiccup she;s fine afterwards.
two endings, either Grimhilde steals this dark essene of snow white to become a true evil queen (getting younger and more robust in the process) or they manage to use it to fully charge the tower crystal, curing snow and bridging the gap between the two magics and finishing the rejuvenation spell with Rapunzel and hiccup’s help. this could be because Rapunzel’s magic healed her enough to let her think of the idea.
though we would have to rap up the ‘mysterious wanderer’ subplot before we could start this…. actually we could have this be what raps it up, that works too.
my next biggest concern is that this could make fay redundant
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you know what how about this? she burns darkness but can turn it off by reminding herself that there’s good in the person. being SNOW WHITE it’s pretty easy for her to do that.
but stress can cause her to miss the chance to make the reminder
thankfully in most cases the burning actually targets the dark power or trait not the person (unless they’re ‘evil to the core’ so there’s no distinction), taking it away for a bit. but she can leave it be if she catches herself.
remember, she’s been around for quite a while in this
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Okay, thinking out loud here
Given that snow’s magic would likely be less “smite evil with light” and more “nurture with light” I think it’s be more that her power clears her head and protects from corrupting influences, including his own power.
Hiccup isn’t exactly evil, despite his claims. And there are two ways you could justify this, wither you have to train ‘good’ or ‘light’ magic to hurt evil and snow never bothered past protecting herself
Or, it does happen and she learned to repress it to help reach people better.
actually, let’s go with that. she can repress it, but if her concentration slips it can burn, like if she was helping fay recharge the crystal.
OR, it’s a spell she cast on herself a while back while still afraid of her mother, and when she;s afraid her power protects her from darkness, which is a problem for her, so she has to forcibly relax herself around hiccup and focus on how good a person he is to convince her magic not to do anything. however high stress can make her slip, though she apologises.
you could also use her as a sort of ‘evil radar’ that is pained by malevolent people and can thus detect their presence. The devourer would probably cause her to faint just by being made.
I see her as less ‘on the light side’ as more ‘on good people’s side’ and aware of the difference, so sh tries to avoid doing that.
although before we reveal what she can do we can have her accidentally burn hiccup. ironically she uses the same power to soothe and heal him, seeming to scold herself for it
‘look what you did, now is that any way to treat a friend?’
she’s really talking to her magic
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1 minute ago, Jwsponky said:
That is a fair point as well, though maybe one of the side effects of the Tower Heart is to restore those who're exposed to it to their prime, taking the place of Rapunzel's hair for Gothel?
I thought it’s be funny for him to over-react to her visible age when they first meet given the context and tripping over himself. we could follow it up by her meeting the ‘old’ women and despairing at her visible ageing and jealousy. that could be what they use to convince her to actually sleep with him rather than just use rapunzel as a bargaining chip.
neat idea, we can’t have the tower be too early or have too many non-canon powers right away, but between snow and aurora’s magic keeping them alive, various immortals and rapunzels hair what if the magic and alchemy ADDED that feature to the tower? and channelled it through….. say, wedding rings for the girls?
OH! what if that’s part of what the empire wants, and the girls steals their research to finish the spell?
also i found a name for snow’s potential daughter based on disney film concepts
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1 minute ago, Jwsponky said:
That would be a fair gag, and possibly a reason for Hiccup to be attracted to women old enough to be his mother, he doesn't realise their that age at first
that and he’s been conditioned to not understand that it makes any difference. imagine how he reacts to the aged gothel. and his attempts at apologising or explaining
So, leah or no leah?
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you could have a joke if she doesn’t appear where hiccup sees a portrait and thinks ‘looks like her sister, probably her mother’
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17 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:
Anna's conversation with Toothless is rather amusing, and you make a good point about Hiccup playing the part of hero more than he lets on or wishes to acknowledge
I thought this was a great direction to take the overlord thing. keeps it interesting and believable as hiccup
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5 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:
Though now I'm struck by the idea 'What if the rest of Aurora's kingdom was under the three good fairies' sleep spell, and when they awaken, princess Aurora, if she had met Philip before the curse took effect, and Queen Leah, who from what I recall of the original film started the trend of Disney queens being able to pass as the princesses' elder sister, are understandably upset that their prince and king are long dead, due in part to Maleficent's actions, leading Maleficent to, part sarcastically part genuinely, offer Hiccup as a replacement for 'the dashing prince and noble king'...
while we could, there’s three points against it.
First, she only met philip before if we go by maleficent, and even then only once. She likely wouldn’t know him well enough to be fixated on it.
second, Leah is dead in maleficent and it’s uncertain in the first film.
Third, i feel that’s a weaker character direction then the one-on-one with aurora and fallout/rejoining with her mother while being the story’s resident wandering witch. Also i feel that it’s less believable in this case that she’d accept a ‘substitute’ from the woman she blames for her husband’s death. at least with aurora she is capable of seeing maleficent as good and doesn’t loose any long-term relationship partners. Suspension od disbelief only goes so far and abusing it can kill any semblance of character and interest in the story.
also the spell was definitely maleficent’s, the fairies tweaked it but it, and the affect everyone part were hers.
You could still have queen leah though, have her have been sick during the whole thing and sealed off in a side room, but affected by the spell too. Maleficent/titania and aurora could bond over healing her, which would give her a chance to develop her magics and maleficent to develop her conscience. You’d need a reason she survived while everyone else crumbled to dust over the years though, even if she is in worse shape.
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sorry, just two generations, but we can add one for valka’s family
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10 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:
A thought has occurred to me though, approximately how long should it be between the reigns of the original Overlord, the Black Baron who !Ade the Tower Heart and original Minions, and Hiccup?
At least four generations if we have hiccup be the guy in the first game (three overlords and the baron).
10 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:Fair point on Stefan's lack of character in the first movie, and I've been struck by an idea based on a passing remark you made aways back about Maleficent sending Aurora good dreams with Hiccup being her handsome 'prince'…
What if said dreams were enough to make Aurora love Hiccup, poking a bit of fun at the line 'we met once upon a dream' from the original, so when Hiccup finds Aurora's sleeping form, Maleficent tells him to kiss her, much to his confusion but he ultimately trusts his adopted mother, and the one-sided love managed to break the spell?
I'd probably have Maleficent mention that if that didn't work 'a fairy godmother's' love was her plan B.
hmmm……okay, true love’s kiss was the thing that broke the spell here and the reason the prince didn;t work in the remake was because it wasn’t deep enough so a one-sided love probably wouldn’t be enough…… okay, can i take this in a new direction by combining this with mine? This is partially because characters need to fail every now and then.
Maleficent has been sending her dreams for years, reading to her, but became convinced it was just a lie she told herself when she found hiccup and focused on him. However, shen she slept she still sent dreams of herself and Hiccup to aurora, allowing a relationship to grow.
alternatively, she found out about aurora while spying on the heroes and found her when oberon did. so she started the plan then. this is the way i’m leaning. in this one, the kiss doesn’t work and a defeated maleficent asks hiccup to bring her back with him. Maleficent tells her the plan and what’s happened while she slept, but can;t kiss her because she feels too guilty and selfish. so instead she kisses her forehead goodnight. That actually works, something she wasn’t expecting. This distracts her enough that mim steals the ‘’titania’ persona and seduces hiccup.
another explanation, aurora’s latent witchcraft let her dream of visions, particularly her mother and the people around her, just filtered through a fairytail motif.
part of this could be that to a degree, maleficent actually raised hiccup based on an imaginary prince her daughter always dreamed up, just with her own twists.
fourth explanation, Maleficent posseses hiccup with his permission to give the kiss, just to make sure. Aurora thinks it’s a prince at first, but recognises her ‘mother’s’ eyes and tone, and is overjoyed
10 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:The first one is amusing, and I've been struck by a possibly fun scene involving the Arendelle arc, what if before he went off in search of the run away elder princess, Hiccup realized that by 'rushing off to save the missing fair maiden' he was technically the hero of this tale, a fact that makes him slightly ill until one of the other characters, probably Anna, reminds him that its his faulty the 'fair maiden' needs saving in the first place, which he genuinely thanks them for?
and can we have anna ask how often he does this when he’s out of earshot and….. either zarina or mirage (whoever’s there) how often he does this. actually, she asks toothless.
Anna: he does this a lot?
Toothless: * grin and nod *
Anna: First time he put the girl in distress?
Toothless: *visibly holding in laughter*
funny and helps her fall for him
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7 hours ago, Jwsponky said:
understand your suggestion, though in the movie I am unsure if Maleficent's regret was willing, or if she was hit by the 'she shall be beloved by all she meets' clause of her curse, I'm also unsure how they made the leap of logic to turn king Stefan from heart broken father who had to send his daughter away for 16 years for her own safety to power mad tyrant...
Well, he had very little character or screentime in thr first one and they needed to make maleficent look good. Though i do appreciate her genuinly being the bad guy at parts.
I do see the spell as part of it, but it's plausible anough that years with a human girl who genuinely likes you and forces you to think about other people plus someone willing to call.you out on your mistakes would help you see past your hatred for her father. Really her grudge was with him so blmeeting another human and getting over it for them alone is understandable.
Cute detail, what if aurora has a stuffed raven? Also we could slip dival in as a raven-shaped sending/scrying/speaking spell
Neat bit of trivia, in the scene where baby aurora sees maleficent and giggles, they used angelina jolies baby becausr the makeup scared any other. But baby jolie just saw mommy and lit right up.
7 hours ago, Jwsponky said:That would be a fair running gag, possibly with Hiccup genuinely lamenting the fact that people don't fear him, having been raised to believe fear and respect are more or less synonymous
First,
"Why is nobody afraid of me?"
"Not nobody, just nobody who's met you"
Second, hello further conflict with elsa and character growth for arendale
7 hours ago, Jwsponky said:The idea of Ursula teaching Hiccup how to design enchanted weapons has merit as well as trying to instill in Hiccup an appreciation of dramatic entrances
I can see her cheering him on when he actually pulls them iff or rating his one-liners. The others are surprised when she does the first.
Also? Since the extra material books are vauge on her being trions ex lover or sister, we could have the others say she keeps chamging the story, and whem cursed triton shows up he/she doesn't even hear it before saying whatever she says is probably a lie.
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Also, did a backgtoumd check and apparently ursula was implied to be banished for making evil copy tridents, so maybe she instructed hiccup in magic weapons, or she does whemln she finds him making them. Hicxup would probably be surprised.
Also, her actress likened ursula to a shakespearean performer and her 'decendants' version likes soaps, so i imagine one thing she could sincerely enjoy teaching hiccup is drama
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The thunderbird would make a lot of sense in agrabah
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Although if hiccup is playing up being evil, if he still has his canon personality want to a recurring gag that has the disney girls failing to fall for it?
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I do understand it being meh. There were some good moments but a lot of it admittedly blurs together
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Will do, i've heard of it before.
But having seen it, doees the direction i was reccomending for malefient make sense?
(I mostly liked the old-fairy style thing and take on maleficent)
Also, thunderbird is a completely different thing. I'm REALLY big on mythology
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You could do the elf thing if you made her adopted. You could have her assume everyone knew because she was an elf for goodness sake!
I dunno. Up to you. You could do a few thibgs with it. Maybe he can save fays life by joing her in charging a crystal
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Hinting at blue skin is fine.
I do like the blue/purple blood idea.
Sorry pale blue. Don't know where i got purple.
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Random olympus idea. Circe could be artemis based on the animals thing. She's done it as well actually
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Yeah, it probably would. Unless she's adopted.
And I'd advise against giving hiccup blue skin, it'd be jarring for someone to read a familar description then it ends with blue or purple skin.
Unless you make it something like 'he gets blue easily' and people note he's looking a little blue. Just don't outright SAY it
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That coyld work. It would explain another reason why she had to retreat to the dragon sanctuary. I take it he doesn't know?
You could hint at it by mentioning pointed ears but also hint its an overlord thing.
Would that mean Valka is younger? You could hint again by saying she aged incredibly well
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Hmmmmm
Okay? Remwmber how i mentioned 'drive forms' to you once?
Well what if he had a few different armours that each made a different transformation like this happen? The quill armour could also toughen hisbhide and give him sharpened claws and teeth
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It could be a school of combat the wingmaidens specialise in
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or, if he’s there because of Queen idunna getting her memory back, he could just be on the way to take her home and not know about the empire yet. well, not not know, more doesn;t get how big or horrid they are. If we have monsters for atlantica, then we could pass through here to get an idea.
oooh, she could try to warn him about snow