CloverReef

I think mewed (in humans) is similar to a… quiet but desperate whine? I’m not sure, though. That word isn’t used a whole lot with adult male characters in the stories I read/write.

Thank you for the lovely review @Desiderius Price! I’m glad you enjoyed it Blue Eyes being my fiftieth (slight exaggeration) attempt at a Halloween fic, I’m just glad it was coherent!

Absolutely! You took the words right out of my mouth – whatever gets em writing, I’ll get behind 100%… well, within reason. (I may have some reservations about hateful propaganda lol). The one thing I could not stand back when I was in fan fiction a million years ago, was when writers would write stories making fun of ‘bad’ writers in their fandom, which was often the beginners. That is a way worse offense than intentionally or accidentally making a mary sue/gary stu character. I can’t imagine how many of those beginner writers were so humiliated and bullied they never picked up the pen again. @Kurahieiritr You really know your stuff, don’t you? Your analysis of the various fandoms and the differences on their general treatment of sue/stu is fascinating. I’m really curious about that double standard. It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest, but I’ve been out of fan fiction so long… Well I don’t know why it seems to be a fan fiction flame thing. Mary sue is not a strictly fan fiction concept, but I haven’t noticed the term floating around in the original fiction world as much as I did in the fan fiction world. Though I am specifically m/m, which very well may be evidence of your whole point. When most of the mains are male, the issue doesn’t seem to come up. I wonder if F/F or M/F writers have more problems with readers screaming mary sue?

Not surprising. That’s a really rich world you have to work with! I look forward to seeing what you dish out, but mostly I hope to see some of your M/M stuff soon

Not a fan of minor fics, buuuut I would still totally read that kuz I loooove naughty priests/reverends/whatever.

Wow, @Avaloyuru I think I agree with pretty much everything you just said lol. I even used to do the bio sheets too (now I just start writing and after a scene, when I’m in the head of the characters, I start to map out their personality in the planning files and make decisions about quirks and whatnot.) It’s been quite a few years since this thread started, and I think my views on the Mary sue/Gary stu topic have changed or evolved somewhat. I think a lot of the symptoms of that kinda character are kinda important to beginning writers, especially young ones, in sort of experimenting with character development and learning how to get in their characters heads, and learning the empathy and whatnot required to really write a powerful character. Might not be an experience all writers go through, but I think it’s a crucial one for many. And definitely, some writers stick to that kinda character as their weapon of choice. That’s totally legit. I used to think it was an indication of bad writing to have a mary sue character. Though I didn’t necessarily think a perfect character was mary sue, but rather a character that makes the characters around them act in nonsensical ways (like everyone in the story gushing that Suzie is such a sweetheart, even though all her appearances, she seems pretty mean and inappropriate). But the perfect character that everyone wants to be with, which often is defined as the mary sue character, can absolutely be done with tact and skill. Everyone should do the characters that they enjoy. Personally, they’re not my cup of tea, but I’m more of a villain lover than a hero humper to begin with.

I think there are some that are hard to place because they’re a bit dated, but still can have an impact if used well. Like Chortled and guffawed. Simpered. Even giggled can be tough to place when all your characters are tough, badass men, but sometimes effective.

I like all three of those options. The middle one I like best because it’s impactful (paints the action perfectly) and concise. Indicative of a talent with word economy. And I like Pippy’s option for a totally different reason, because she has such a fascinating way with words that I could never pull off. Somehow she manages to do it without coming off as ‘wordy’.

I would agree to completely disagree with DP on this one. A metaphor or simile would likely take me out of the scene if it’s tacked onto just a purr. But admittedly, I’m not your target audience, so DP may very well know better than me.

I think it’s implied that it’s figurative. To me, anyway. But I think animalistic words make sex scenes feel more carnal. Does that word bug you in sex scenes, and is it just ‘purr’ or do words like ‘bark’ or ‘growl’ or ‘hiss’ apply too? There are words that bug me, either because they make it harder to take the scene seriously or because they just rub me the wrong way. Like ‘rod’ lol. But I don’t see that one often in m/m so I guess I’m lucky lol.

This stuff is friggin fascinating. I think I'm in the middle of both. My stories begin both as fantasies sometimes and from characters or little random scenes other times. I've always had an element of a sexual theme right from the start even when I was a kid. My stories got dirty especially when my friends were involved. (Apparently groups of 11 year old prairie girls can be twisted.) But even though they were always sexual, the story itself was always super important, second only to character development. I didn't even know pwps were a thing until around the time i came here to aff around 13 years ago lol.

Absolutely, I think a purr would work there. Makes it sound like she’s very pleased.

Cooed, to me, is a little less sexy and a little more doting. So I could still use it in a sex scene, though it would be reserved for quieter or teasing moments when one character is kinda treating the other like a child or something cute. Purr is easier to make sexy, because it’s naturally more animalistic.

I think it’s a good way to start a story. Adds that flare of drama right off the bat.

Reviews for “The Devil Began to Sing” Hi MonaMina! I'm glad you enjoy it. I grew up with tales from the crypt and all those tend to be about people paying for their greed. I really wanted to do something like that so I guess this is my attempt! And yeah, hopefully he's learned his lesson!

I dunno, personally I think purr sounds better in that situation than coo, but there are some differences in what is hot depending on your target audience. A faint smile flitted across her face at the feel of a nudge. She twisted a little to look down between them, then dropped back to the mattress with a happy sigh/purr. “Oh God, please put that away!” For an example of how I’d write it in. I tend to use Desiderius’ way when something’s very dramatic or sudden.

Oh my god, DP! You are a genius! It worked.

Yep! It shows just fine. I am able to upload from my computer. It’s just the urls that don’t work, and the archive doesn’t allow uploads so I’m stuck with trying to figure out the urls there.

Hi! This is technically both archive and forum, since I can’t seem to get the avatar URLs to work on either (I can however upload an avatar on the forum). So I used to host all my images for this kinda thing on photobucket, but they’ve changed it so that you need to pay in order to do that. So that left me with a big, ugly, grey “PAY US” avatar. That’s fine. They gotta do what they gotta do. I switched to Imgur. But the links don’t seem to work on the avatar url thing, both on archive and the forums. Made sure my image was under the size limit and I tried both png and jpeg. Then I tried google photos. Same thing. Then I tried Dropbox. It said image saved, and I thought I had success, but then I went to my profile and it showed a broken image thingy. So I guess what I’m really asking is if there’s an image hosting thing that we know works. Or if I’m doing the other ones wrong?

Author: CloverReef Title: The Devil Began to Sing Summary: Costa’s supposed to be with his boyfriend on this Halloween cruise, but when he meets a sexy figure in a devil costume, he just can’t help himself. Unfortunately for him, sirens don't generally respond well to rape. Fandom: Original Pairing: M/M Warnings: Rape, MiCD, crossdressing Solo story or chaptered story: Oneshot URL: http://original.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600108776 Review Reply thread:

Oh I like sound words like cooed. Of course if every bit of dialogue is tagged with them and every action is responded with them, it’ll get distracting. Personally, I probably overuse them a touch and don’t use the he said/she said nearly enough to make the tags functional yet disappeary, but that’s my jam. In my humble opinion, cooed and any other sound word should be used when they have the most impact. When no other word would suffice to paint the scene the way you see it in your head. A baby falls off a table or something, the mother rushes to it and coos to try to comfort it. And well yelps, screams, moans, groans, sighs, squeaks, shrieks, are usually best reserved for pain, puns, and naughtiness, and those are really the only sound words I can think of off the top of my head, because that’s just the kinda person I am.

Cold Snap Chapter 14 I seriously love that you love Nathan. One of the harder characters to write, but easily one of my favourite… I was gonna call him an antagonist but he’s not really an antagonist, is he? Like an anti-antagonist. Who doubles as an anti-hero? Oh well. But yeah, fuck normal! Thanks for making my day <3 I really enjoyed the review!

I think I'll be over here pretending to be a meat eater behind this tall plant... Don't mind me (Sorry @Melrick. That was my fault. I thought it was okay to discuss the idea, but yeah, it definitely got off topic.)

Chapter 14 is up! Won’t be any more updates on this story for a few weeks because: It's October. October means Halloween. And I'm a huuuuge Halloween lover. So I put aside writing this story to write some short Halloween stories. What that means for Cold Snap, is a delay in updates. I plan to get back to working on this in November! Thank you so much for your support so far <3 You guys are gorgeous! I seriously love you. Like real love and shit. Kisses! (For information on my current projects, check my profile here or in the archive. Happy Halloween!)