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Oh Noes! Where's The SEX?! /panic

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Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi

Have you ever gotten one of these?

Great so far, but when do we get the sex?

How about one of these?

OMG! WHEN WILL YOU FINALLY GET [character a] AND [character b] TOGETHER! I NEED YAOI

Every time I read one of those I want to punch something. Very, very, hard. Even if it's not my own story, it pisses me off. A good, well rounded novel (even a romance novel) has more then just one theme. Even if the ultimate story is about two people getting it on, it still has to have other things going on as a way to, you know, HOLD THE READER'S INTREST and give the story depth. At least, this is how it needs to be for me to read a romance novel and LIKE it. If all there is going on is the same fucked up and dated cliche's, then I don't want to read it. One of the greatest romance novels I ever read didn't just have two people getting it on. It had character growth, relationship building and, you know, a character with more then two demensions. Not to mention it was pretty funny.

It's like, these people have no appreciation for PLOT or CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT or any of those other all important literary elements. Furthurmore, they're disrespecting the author in an extreme way. They're saying "I don't care what effort you put into this, I'm just here for the pairing/sex/blah." and that's just disgusting. You want a PWP? Well, would you look at that, most of them are labeled as much, go read them, not the TWENTY CHAPTER NOVEL!

I don't read PWP's for a reason. They just don't do it for me. I read romance novels because I'm interested in human psycology. The way the mind works facinates me. The best way, in my opinion, to explore this is by exploring the way humans interact with each other. And, well, what's more intimate then the interaction between two lovers? Especially lovers who were close friends first. I like looking at those dynamics.

Therefore, I don't touch PWP's, and if I do and find them lacking in those things they intentionally don't have, I don't leave a review saying "That was hot, but could you make it deeper? Go more into the characters and their personalities and hang-ups? I'd like it a lot more if you did that."

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Yep, have to agree. I tried reading a few one-shot PWPs and...meh, they really didn't do it for me and frankly, weren't very well written. I mean the sex was kind of blah, so I pretty much avoid them now. I much prefer to read, and especially write, stories with more layers and complexities, something that holds your interests and makes you feel something for the characters, whether it ends happily or not.

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Guest Knorg

Meh. Far too much plot without porn around here. Generally, when I want to read a novel I go to the library or bookshop. I mostly come to Adult Fan Fiction to jack off or to provide material to allow other people to jack/jill off. Or to find badly written pieces to laugh at, without of course attacking the writer in anyway.

But I always say each to their own, and for those who find deeply plotted pieces with maybe a flashed breast or smouldering glance every ten thousand words more their thing in terms of "adult" fanfiction, their way is as fine as any. G'luck!

Knorg,

a semi-opposing viewpoint.

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When I pick a book to read it's usually dark and erotic. Plot is good. Sex is good. Plot and sex is great! However, when I pick a fanfic to read, I generally go with the one-shot. I rarely invest my time in a story that has more than a dozen chapters, and even then, the writer has to be exceptional. I have to agree with Knorg, that when I'm here, I'm just looking for something that'll get me wet. Of course, I'm not going to waste my time on a train wreck, but plot and character development are simply icing on the cake.

When I write, I write erotica. To quote my favorite blog, to be erotic fiction - sex has to drive the plot. If you can take the sex out and still have a viable story, you did something wrong. That doesn't mean that I write PWP. Even my one-shot's have a reason for the sex, if they didn't they would be porn - not erotica.

While I can understand that everyone has different tastes on the matter, and I generally live by the maxim 'to each their own', I find myself a little annoyed when people assume that just because a story is labeled a PWP or one-shot or what have you, that it's not worth their time.

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While I can understand that everyone has different tastes on the matter, and I generally live by the maxim 'to each their own', I find myself a little annoyed when people assume that just because a story is labeled a PWP or one-shot or what have you, that it's not worth their time.

I never assume that a PWP will suck. I've read really good ones with really well written sex scenes. They just don't do much for me, though they used to. So I stopped reading strories for sex cause there really wasn't a point.

Also, one-shots are the brunt of my work (mostly 'casuse I can rarely write farther then a chapter on a story before losing intrest in it). What pisses me off is when a bunch of people start begging the author to get on with the sex already, and basically stomp on said writer's efforts. Yes, to each his own, but don't tell me to change mine. Long story with a plot not your cup of tea? Then don't drink the bloody tea and then complain about it! Sam goes for PWPs. When I go to read a PWP, I know what I'm getting into, therefore I don't comment on them.

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What pisses me off is when a bunch of people start begging the author to get on with the sex already, and basically stomp on said writer's efforts. Yes, to each his own, but don't tell me to change mine. Long story with a plot not your cup of tea? Then don't drink the bloody tea and then complain about it! Sam goes for PWPs.

pinch.gif I meant to add to that post that I totally agree with you, Pixagi, about the reviews - that would irk me as well.

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What pisses me off is when a bunch of people start begging the author to get on with the sex already, and basically stomp on said writer's efforts. Yes, to each his own, but don't tell me to change mine. Long story with a plot not your cup of tea? Then don't drink the bloody tea and then complain about it! Sam goes for PWPs.

pinch.gif I meant to add to that post that I totally agree with you, Pixagi, about the reviews - that would irk me as well.

Ah, okay. blush.gif

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Guest lightgoddess

Now, see, I like a PWP. I prefer to read them from authors that I know can write, because I've read too many that made me cringe and never want to have sex again. I do thoroughly enjoy a novella/novel full of complex plot and pretty sex, but other times, I'm just in the mood to read complete porn.

On the topic of crappy reviews, though, I get the urge to stab the reviewer through the computer when I get a '*stomps foot* where's the sex?' review.

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Guest Zimarah

I'm surprised that I haven't gotten a review like that yet, considering the sex doesn't start until chapter 12 in The Past Life, but that fic would only appeal to a very select group of people.

Personally, I read one-shots, and I read novels. Depends on my mood.

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You know, I'm glad to hear other people that feel that way. Although I must confess, I used to secretly blame myself when I got reviews that begged for the smut. Honestly, I write enough smut to choke a horse and I guess I figured my readers were just antisipating it/expecting it/that they only read my stories for the sex scenes (what self-esteem?).

I really don't write big epics, though. Don't have to attention span or ability, really. It takes way too much out of me, but sometimes I write longish, multi-part fics and it might take awhile to get to the erotica, so people get impaitent, I guess... unsure.gif

It's silly and I do agree with Pix. If you want pwp, go find the stuff that's labeled as such. Personally, i don't mind either way and I've written both ways. Sometimes it's nice just to read a hot lemon without worrying about those pesky emotional entanglements or plot, but when I want that I don't go looking for the epics and I certainly don't complain if I run into a great story anyway that takes forever to get to the naughty bits. The build-up is just as good at the outcome with the right writer.

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Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi
You know, I'm glad to hear other people that feel that way. Although I must confess, I used to secretly blame myself when I got reviews that begged for the smut. Honestly, I write enough smut to choke a horse and I guess I figured my readers were just antisipating it/expecting it/that they only read my stories for the sex scenes (what self-esteem?).

I really don't write big epics, though. Don't have to attention span or ability, really. It takes way too much out of me, but sometimes I write longish, multi-part fics and it might take awhile to get to the erotica, so people get impaitent, I guess... unsure.gif

It's silly and I do agree with Pix. If you want pwp, go find the stuff that's labeled as such. Personally, i don't mind either way and I've written both ways. Sometimes it's nice just to read a hot lemon without worrying about those pesky emotional entanglements or plot, but when I want that I don't go looking for the epics and I certainly don't complain if I run into a great story anyway that takes forever to get to the naughty bits. The build-up is just as good at the outcome with the right writer.

Amen!

On a sidenote, I want to rape your Reno sig ^__^ devil.gif

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But I always say each to their own, and for those who find deeply plotted pieces with maybe a flashed breast or smouldering glance every ten thousand words more their thing in terms of "adult" fanfiction, their way is as fine as any. G'luck!

"Flashed breast or smouldering glance" makes me think of what used to be called "the bodice ripper" type of story. I should probably clarify (and stop posting at work so I can focus my attention better) that I don't mind stories with an intricate plot, but I always hope there's some hot, steamy, graphic sex in them. Nothing is more disappointing, to me, than finally getting to the "good" stuff and it's only a couple of sentences or one short paragraph that leaves me cold, for lack of a better word. wink.gif When I posted my first fic, I thought maybe I wrote too much in the sex bits, compared to the few stories I had read. I confess, I probably got a bit off the smut track on my last story, but hopefully, I'll make up for it with my WIP. I must atone!

PWP one-shots are great for a quick read, and I've seen reviews left where readers ask when's the next update? when it's clearly labeled "one-shot smut fic." How dense can you get? blink.gif

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I confess, I probably got a bit off the smut track on my last story, but hopefully, I'll make up for it with my WIP. I must atone!

*sigh* Getting old is a real bitch. dry.gif After I logged off, I started thinking about that story, and realized it was loaded with sexual content. People doing it, talking about it or thinking about it. They say the mind is the first thing to go...*shuffling off to my rocking chair*

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Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi
I thought the mind was the second thing to go, but what was the first? think.gif

The ability to hold an erection, if you're a guy.

As for me, my mind's been gone for a damn long time, and I'm 18, damnit!

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Amen!

On a sidenote, I want to rape your Reno sig ^__^ devil.gif

LOL. Don't we all

I've never gotten a review begging for the sex scene yet. I've only written a few one shots, and I have gotten good reviews for them. I mostly write longer stories. Honestly, I come here for the adult content, but I don't bitch if there is an actual story involved. I'll read a PWP, if thats not what I want at the time. I'm not picky, as long as the story is worth reading.

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Guest Serenanna

I get reviews all the time asking for plot changes or whole other stories that I really ignore generally, unless they make sense.

The latest I got asked for me to reveal the murderer of her parents to her before it occurs in canon. (Winry and FMA here) Um . . . no? Not gonna happen.

Another one I got, the reviewer liked the OC I made so much that they asked that I break up the main pairing at least long enough for the OC to get involved with the girl . . . um, no? I got much more non-soap operay plot planned. sleep.gif;;

I don't get reviewers sometimes. Don't they have any faith in the writer to know where they're going with a fic, and the ending? Ususally I make my endings up in my head before I get there so that the fun part is getting there . . . does that make sense?

Sere

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I wrote nearly 40 naruto oneshots, because writing an epic with someone else's characters didn't appeal to me. Still, I tried to throw in at least some semblance of humour/plot into every piece I did because the smut was no fun to write without it. I was one of the few het writers in the series who was willing to experiment with different characters and accepted ideas and requests (which ended up getting ignored outright if they didn't spring an idea within thirty seconds of reading them) from the readers. After 19 completely het pairings, and all my warnings saying it was a het archive I received a "This is great but a Kakashi Gaara (which would be yaoi) would make it better!" I was completely dumbfounded that anyone could have so little pattern recognition.

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Guest Pink Lace

A lot of the PWPs are not well-written? So are a lot of the multi-chapter and epic fanfics! Just because a story has plot doesn't mean it's in any way better than a PWP. I'd rather read a good PWP sex scene than 40 chapters of badly plotted fanfiction.

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A lot of the PWPs are not well-written? So are a lot of the multi-chapter and epic fanfics! Just because a story has plot doesn't mean it's in any way better than a PWP. I'd rather read a good PWP sex scene than 40 chapters of badly plotted fanfiction.

I agree thumbsup.gif

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A lot of the PWPs are not well-written? So are a lot of the multi-chapter and epic fanfics! Just because a story has plot doesn't mean it's in any way better than a PWP. I'd rather read a good PWP sex scene than 40 chapters of badly plotted fanfiction.

Who said PWP's were poorly written?

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Guest Serenanna

A good PWP has to at least have some sort of small set up though to get you into the fic. Otherwise, if the author just jumps right into the sex, it's . . . well, meaningless to me at least. I guess when it comes to my tastes in the erotic, I'm more into the mental than the physical.

The closest I ever came to PWP was writing Vanilla, and even while it was really all sex and ice cream (yes, I said ice cream), I still had to set the scene and the character's mental state before getting into it.

So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that even a PWP, who's whole purpose is for sex, has to at least have something of a threadbare plot or premise. But that's my opinion.

Sere

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Who said PWP's were poorly written?

I believe that she was referring to NightScribe's first post waaaay ^ there.

So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that even a PWP, who's whole purpose is for sex, has to at least have something of a threadbare plot or premise. But that's my opinion.

And it happens to be an opinion that I share. biggrin.gif

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