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True enough. Though she could have wandwred off from a viking raid. I dunno.
It might be fun for ariel to show up as a girl swimming around and have hiccup join her, only for him to not realise she was a mwrmaid and forget to get his name. This could be when she first falls for him.
What do you think of the 'minion commander' idea?
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So long as you don't ocerdo it, stretching out getting to the first time will make it even better. Besides, you don't want to rush character introduction.
Are we still doing the thibg where ariel and young Astrid wander to the tower and meet hiccup (where astrid mentions her lost fiance and thinks he's a ghost)? It'd be a good way to show development and hint at how thinhs are different without him in the latter.
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While that works, i'd suggest takeing some time to each jump. Still doing a 'montage' but letting each scene play out so that it feels more natural. Plus it'd let us see the growing, changing interactions between hiccup, toothless and his 'mothers'. As well as give a good sense of time for when everything happened. It helps get the characters ready and while i can understand wanting to 'rush into the action' it can help to get us invested in them and understand them, make them more beleivable. Plus it helps set up questions like 'how did he get there' without being too blunt.
There's still not a lot of character to them this way, i admit, but it's acomfortable medium that helps add to the otherz.
Also, idea. What if each ghul was a commander of a type of minion, and he started out with maybe two of each. That way he isn't too powerful right away.
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Yeah i also was thinking.about the names.
While i understand if you don't want to do that Theres a lot we can do and probably should set up, so this seemed a good way to go without just making it REALLY long. Though we an do that to. I just want to make sure the pacing is right.
1 minute ago, Jwsponky said:That is somewhat the plan I had, with Maleficent, Grimhilde, and Ursula each voting for a different candidate, and Mim, refusing to be a tie breaker, picking a fourth mainly just to amuse herself by being difficult, leading house cat form Mirage to role her eyes at the resultant bickering and signal ”Who said there can only be one?”
That too but i mostly meant that each one is using the ghul to try and cheat their way to winnning the bet, with each one being loyal to their master and acting as their interaction with the world. E.g ursula's conveys messages to ariel, grimhilde's brutalises dwarfs, Maleficent's guards Aurora's coffin on the way back. they each sneak idunna in to be 'rescued'.
We could also use this to give both them and the sorceresses bonus charactetisation, such as mim's acting as the straight-man to her antics, Grimhilde's repaying her mistreatment by 'forgetting' to tell her about snow or maleficent's observing her character development.
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Also, what if each ghul is an agent for a different sorceress? Easy way ti give them a little more character based on the plots we discussed so far.
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That seems like a good idea, but we should have a light-magic character like aurora tach them
Since they don't show up till after her it makes sense.
Doea the multi-prolouge seem okay?
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More than two also works. I just meant 'not one chapter'
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Were you going to have the minions be smarter? That could also work, but you have to be careful. Too many characters at once can be a problem. Especially if there as hard to tell apart as the minions.
Remember that experiment minion idea? Maybe only mutant minions are 'smart' so to speak.
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I mean that you have a prolouge chqpter setiing up hiccups childhood (and introucing certain other characters) and another closer to before the adventure begins where he finds Zarina and you set up his going out and his first time. That way you get better character pacing amd don't have to rush setting up plots and sub-plots.
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That works well. We could have a funny bit where he tries ro get them to speak, thinking they'll be amarter too, but no.
Also, might i suggest two prolouges? One for distant past and one for immediate past?
As is his childhood and the thr stuff happening just befors the adventure.
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Understood, but they should still at least begin short. Though veteran minions could grow…
Hmmm what if his first time is with toothless? But the sorceresses don't like it so first chance they get (as soon as she 'disappears') they instruct him to sleep with the ghuls. Though I'd be careful to avoid being too much too soon. Maybe they each seduce him mid-campaign?
We need to build up their characters a bit, too
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Also we should probably deacribe the minions as being like a goblin or orc woman. And army of she-hulks would be a bit much. Unless you mean just the 'queens'
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I still think it should be toothless, though we coupd have the sorceresses TRY to have it be with a minion up until that point.
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While I understand where you are going with this I feel this is a weaker direction as it takes away from hiccup and toothless relationship and bond and removes some of the character growths we suggesyed. Also we'd need to find a new 'first time' and he'd probably habe a stronger connection to that girl than toothless, which is a bit off. It would also make hiccup less recognisable as hiccup in his early overlord days and more of a hiccup-in name only.
However, i can suggest a way to work that in. What if, during the events of raising hell, hiccup refused to risk his wife in hell akd asked her to rule for him while he was gone.
You know i can hadle myself.
That's why I'm asking you.
However hades tricks her into flying off to investigate something and she winds up being captures and brainwashed by the red death into being the second in command. That way the bit after rasing hell could be both hiccup taking a break from being overlord AND trying to find his wife.
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That would be hilarious.
While i can see him mostly being on the ground, flying was a big part of their bond.
So what if, inaread of being a normal dragon rider, at first toothless picked him up like a jetpack, or after groqing huge from defearing red death like we dicussed THEN she carried him.
Bonus idea, in addition to the dragon-shapeshifting thing, valka could teach him how to ride toothless. That way it's both an upgrade, a bonding moment and a step towards being himself rather than just who he's told to be. It could be the big upgrade.of the timeskip
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To clarify, after everyone is cured, it’s mostly the disney girls and hiccup who are mad at her, and maybe maleficent.
That would be funny, and like in ‘gift of the night fury’ toothless playfully bur sternly reminds him that she’s his wings. you could have a scene later in the next storyline that toothless has to trust someone else to fly him and only lets astrid do it.
Though i imagine only his viking commanders would get the power.
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16 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:
That is a possibility, though I admit the idea of it being a one time per person thing was to avoid the possibility of immortality…
see part of the reason for the spell was that this was a bit of an immprtality thing, but it was EARNED, rather than random chance or cheap accomplishment. though you could just make it very long life. I figured it made sense given the setting pieces and already outliving he canon overlord.
16 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:Now I’m struck by the idea of Grimhilde indulging in a bit of last second sabotage when Hiccup and the various light sorceresses were charging the Castle Heart, durning both it and the sorceresses, including Snow, to dark magic…
And now I’m struck by the idea of Snow stealing Fay’s line of “You’re evil, I’m evil, what’s there to talk about? Get over here.”
okay, while i see where you are going with this, this does undo QUITE a lot of character growth and devlopment.
however, i do have a possible compromise.
remember the rough corrupt snow timeline i suggested? what is this sabotage was with the ORIGINAL spell, the one that caused the corruption, and snow took it all on herself. snow almost goes full evil by the end (letting her use the line, which is what clues hiccup in that’s something’s messing with her head since she doesn;t think hiccup’s evil and has good points about it) but does manage to use the corruption to create the combined dark/light magic crystal and cure herself. Grimhilde is then made to pay.
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I see Grimhilde as less redeemable
just realised you meant ‘only has to be cast once’ not ‘only can be cast once’
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Grimhilde gets taken down a peg by failing to control snow, and could be maid snow’s handmaiden after the attempt to control ‘corrupt’ snow fails.
mim….. i don;t know if she can learn anything
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23 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:
I admit now that I think about it I’m drawing a blank on that score myself… best I can come up with at the moment, is when Hiccup goes through the merfolk lands he encounters Ursula’s aged sister Morgana and Ursula is glad to know she is still alive, likely asking Hiccup to bring her back to the Tower so the Heart might restore her back to her prime... which would likely be a one time only deal as opposed to how Gothel used Rapunzel’s hair
hmmm. that, and ariels righteous bitterness at being lied to could force her to re-evaluate her life.
and it doesn’t have to be one-time. remember the spell rapunzel, aurora, fay and snow were working on to restore youth and vitality?
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plus it helps make later character growth believable and gives him a reason to make his own decisions more.
I’m trying to think of some growth for ursula, mim and grimhilde but having trouble
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how about both? they are schemers, so while they DID take the overlord stuff, they make up something hiccup is more likely to understand and make them seem like the better party for taking back stolen property instead of just power.
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2 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:
And now i’m struck by the idea of what if Hiccup conquering Spree, Heaven’s Peak, Evernight Forest, Dol Gubad, the Golden Hills, and Ruboria was more or less an accident or after thought, his main goal at that point being recovering the family heirlooms the former heroes had pilfered?
I’m assuming this is mostly just an excuse the sorceresses give him? it works though, and isn;t so urgent we can;t make detour chapters. nice! though we would need treasures for him to retrieve, unless he’s just stealing their treasures obliviously
2 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:Fair point again, and another thought about the Hiccup Aza showdown, what if Hiccup had assumed the Aza’s gauntlet weapon was a prosthetic, mainly because he hadn’t encountered such a weapon before, and was suprised when she took it off?
does he have his pegleg yet? probably not… so okay. nice not to the original. he could try to ‘disarm’ it via cutting it off only for the armour to be to good mid fight and comment he’s glad it didn’t work after he finds out.
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maybe orcs could do something similar, and hiccup is halfway through criticising the idea when he thinks to ask if the ‘overlord’ quest was one for himself. the orcs defend the tradition though
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That works (both the minion amd ariel thing), but i just had an idea i want to run by you. What if the netherghuls WERE the minion hive 'queens'?. As in part of the ressurection imbunes them with minion qualities to ensure loyalty and give them more power.
They could have to create the minions as extensions of themselves and we could give them minionish qualities or make the minions behave like lesser copies of them. We've got a fire-girl, a strong-girl and a death-girl that would go well with thr greens, and the icy one could be blues before they learned to heal. Plua it helps keep the castle from getting crowded to quickly.