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hmm...... that's a good idea. would this be for the ‘widow grief’ thing, or even earlier? it could be used to help explain why she asked him to lay with her in grief. and make it even more awkward after. Cloudjumper could just be trying to help her with her stress and help her get over stoik, which makes her feel worse when he dies

Though itnprobably would be better to age them up a bit, or at least have the enhacement age them a little.

Or that the movie evemts were delayed by the empire's involvement.... or the REALLY underage girls are going to wait. Or that age of consent was muvh lower back then.

And why i suggested hiccup should be at his lower age range

One of the reasons she's been immortally wandering. Most of the disney girl's canon ages would make things awkwars.

That works. Though i imagine they'd be less insane without the cataclysm or with snow's influmec. When he meeta them without her i can imag8ne him wishing she'd be there to cslm them down. Thought, she doesn't have them when he first rescue her, thinks she's just olayibg at being him when she first brings them up and his guardians (probabky Grimhilde) express that opinion. Hiccup likely wouldn't have seen a gnome before. Although i can see him catching one for study and losing it in the tower. Part of the 'corruption' cpuld be her losing control of the gnomes to the maddening magics of everlight junglr.

And it could be used for some self-reflection. Had an idea. What if, as 'light' overlord, snow uses gnomes as minions?

It can work. You juat need to be careful

I have a few probelms with most 'dark hero' stories. But that's just me

If he doesn't feel the flames, he's going to feel the freezing. Eh, i dunno. There's a dissonance in his actions there (you can't be against someone threatening people with dragons but do the same thing or treat your pets calmy and gently while raising them to kill), and somone who 'threatens to rain hellfire' probably isn't stable enought to be trusted with an army capable of doing that and would have every right to be feared. This kind of things leads to EVERYONE raising dragon armies to ward off the dragon armies.

Maybe not till elsa? She'd be a better source, probably a better tacher and it'd let him surprise the hell out of the empire. Also it'd be funny to have that scene, then cut to hiccup mentally screaming because he just felt himself burning alive and freezing at the same time and swaering never to do that again, only to groan as he immediatly has to. You could forshadow this by him doing thr opposite to stay warm in arendale.... and accidentally turning his winter coat into a bondfire with the first try. I don't know that maleficent was ever 'evil for the hell of it' she was pretry polite until spurned. What if you have evil malrficent, developing into the other maleficent but with flashes of evil fun? By all means hace evil fun, but it can also be fun to have her queation whih maleficent she is herself. Or play her evil tenencies for awkwardness around aurora. Say... Aurora 'innocently' suggests an interpretaion of an evil act that makes it good and maleficent plays along.

Both. They want her back and back to her old seld, but use her to keep children and themselves in line. An 'I want her back but i hope i meet her standards' type thing. they've heard both versions but ehy became cobfused and combined kver the years, so there's some debate whether it's the same maleficent or which one's real. Either way they don't want to hurt the sleeping girl. Though maybe some, like florian, fantasize about waking her and using her to become king.

Elvess sounds nice. I've also seen she-elf

Well, mostly it would be Hiccup falling for it. The elves would be getting maleficent back, since she grew up in the area and is something of a legend. And Aurora having been in the firest for so long (albeit asleep) with Oberon having guarded her the elves accepting her as... well not a ruler but a go-betwen between her and the overlord makes sense. Titania's character moments would be given to maleficent and aurora, particularly mal while she was trying to keep up the facade. As opposed to grimhilde who doesn't care if the dwarves want her in charge.

Grimhidle was the dwarflands lady in this scenario, but had less development

It was.part of my suggestion for titania to be a disguise for maleficent. Remember the conrltest i suggested? Where they were conpeting ti be has Queen? The one who one bets on areas would make up a persona, send idunna out to be 'rescued' in that disguise then the sorceress in question would switch in to spend thr night. However maleficent winds up keeping the titania persona to spend more time with aurora, and accidentally helps hiccup be a better person because he keeps running into 'titania' and she gives him good guy advice as part of the disguise. She would ultimately give the land to aurora and rule it with her after getting free.

Plus they are living in her home. At the very least, this detour would give her nore bonding time with her daughter..… And she'd probably agree just to get her old castle back. Although is Aurora does wind up getting the elf lands like i suggested you could make a joke about her mom giving her a kingdom within visible distance from her own. It works as a name.

Okay that does help the timeline. Since he isn't hunting down the fallen heroes as frantically it makes sense. But seruliously, is dul gubad their home? Also, do the orcs worship maleficent?

Remind me about dol gubad. Are we still having them attack the elves/fairies? The malificent idea seems really good! And the second one seems workable, but i worry about the timeline, so i need the carification so i can sort it out

Hmmm. It can be tricky to pull that off. I can probably find an exanple. Do you intend to follownthe whole musical and have it take command of the world, disney style or have people reacting to it comedicly?

i blame psychic neanderthals

the neanderthal thing? definitely. the aztec thing? there are no words for how dumb that was

weirdest take i’ve ever seen where a book that showed neanderthals as psionic perfect enlightened pacifists, as in the people we outlived because we invented community, and song about how the aztecs never knew violence or war before the white man came

ah sorry. yeah, that gets annoying

oh yes, and the kind of person who would think that would probably be selfish enough that it affects reasoning. but that someone as smart as t’challa would say that is just sad. I was criticising that line of thinking. the idea that someone would think that is plausible, they’d just be an idiot with a malfunctioning amygdala. sorry if i sound harsh