CloverReef

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  1. My Funny Valentine Out Now

    Congrats! Self published counts! I’m super happy for you and I hope you get to publish a shitload more in the future! <3 Rock on
  2. Happy chocolate eating day, my lovelies. Soon I shall commence the grand tradition of burning out my tastebuds with cinnamon hearts.

    1. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      One more day to the clearance sale on roses… if you’re into those sort of things.

    2. CloverReef

      CloverReef

      Ooo things are much prettier when they’re on sale!

    3. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      Well, even better, if you’re not picky are cemeteries….

  3. Character Building

    I think its fascinating to hear other writers talk about their process for starting a story and character building. It’s so different and relatable at the same time. I tend to just write the very first scene, and then I put all the work into plotting out the character’s personalities and flaws, based on how they performed in that first scene. For me, its easier to see them as a well rounded character that way, and feel they have a life of their own. When I plan the characters before writing, I tend to have trouble connecting to them because I don’t know them yet! … And I just gotta say I feel you. Many a sexy villain has felled my plans.
  4. Back history

    100% Yes, @InvidiaRed. Hints and snippets are generally all I can take when I’m reading a book or a story. Just enough to let us know that the character is a well rounded human being who existed before the events of the story, but it takes very little to establish that, and if done via the character’s actions and decision making, and interacting with the world around them, I think it comes much more naturally. I don’t see anything wrong with doing a spinoff prequel type thing, like you mentioned, @Desiderius Price. Its just when the flashbacks and exposition dumps interrupt the story that I tend to skip forward or stop reading. I used to do little standalone drabbles with characters backstories just to get them straight in my head before putting the char in a full fic. Origin stories can be fun.
  5. When you lose interest...

    Wait, when did we lose board certification? I am outraged at this! You know a mutiny is the only solution, right? … Need more pirate emoticons.
  6. When you lose interest...

    Yeah I would never suggest an author pull their story because I completely agree that there are readers that still enjoy incomplete ones. I'm just saying if they do pull it, not to be too hard on themselves. I get uncomfortable if I have something posted that I have no intention of finishing. Even though readers might come back to it and enjoy it, I have to take them down even if it's just for my peace of mind, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Everyone just had to figure out the best way to keep doing what they love and hopefully not let blocks discourage them. Anesor though! I love what you said about editing the life out of something! I have definitely done that before. I used to see all the time in writing advice pages that you shouldn't edit as you write and I thought I could never turn that part of my brain off, but it came to a point where I had to train myself to and it definitely made a huge difference. Not just in the soul of the story but it helped clear up a nasty case of writer's block! I'm really excited about it now. Makes it a lot easier not to edit the hell out of it later when it flows naturally.
  7. Back history

    Absolutely! I think sometimes it's a case of the writer not trusting their words to paint a picture without the help. Or not trusting the reader to understand or get attached without the life story. At least that's been my experience. But a character's actions and decisions are far more effective to get the reader hooked enough that they'll crave that backstory over time. I don't know if I'm making sense anymore tonight lol.
  8. Back history

    Wow, this is a neat thread! Well worth the grave digging you did to pull it back up. Too much backstory is one of the major reasons I’ll stop reading a fic, and definitely one of the first things to go when I get cut-happy in the editing process of my own stories. (Though I’ve been criticized for not having enough, so I may not be an authority on the subject.) For me, it has to be relevant to the moment in the story as well as interesting. Not just one or the other. Otherwise it feels forced or boring to me. But I’ve come to learn that there are people out there who don’t groan and skip over backstory and exposition dumps like I do. If you zone out while reading your own writing, that’s a pretty good indication there’s a problem. If not, but you’re still unsure, ask someone for help. (Just to be clear, the ‘you’ I’m referring to in the second paragraph, is anyone reading this who may be unsure. I’m fairly certain you already trust your instincts, @Desiderius Price)
  9. When you lose interest...

    It’s okay to lose interest and pull a story. Or three. Or fifty. A lot of writers can take a break and write to something else then come back to a story, but I’m personally not one of them. When I lose interest, it’s done. And I can lose interest in a story for many reasons. I think it’s important, though, to not view dropping a story as a failure. It’s good to let go when something isn’t working or inspiring you, so you can move on to something that is. I tend to start and stop dozens of stories before I find one that I stick to for a while. It’s a valid creative process: feeling around, exploring ideas, learning about characters. But it can be frustrating, absolutely! I just hope you don’t let the frustration of it stop you. At least not for too long! If you feel bad about posting and pulling, some of us wait until a certain number of chapters are written and we feel committed to the story before we post the first chapter. I still end up pulling plenty, but it lessens the guilt factor, because I’m only posting and pulling a fraction of the fics I start.
  10. CloverReef's Review Centre

    Latest Cold Snap Review Hi Junie! Wow, this seriously made my day, for two reasons. First, of course very little makes writing worth it more than a detailed, supportive review. Second, the race thing is a very big issue in my life right now and I’m so happy that it came across the way it did for you. I like to have diverse representation in the things I watch and read, and yet my writing didn’t reflect that. I have so much to say about this subject – about writing and character diversity – but I don’t want to bore you with an essay. I’ll just say that I’m glad he didn’t seem too fetishized. I tried to avoid some stereotypes and play with others, but most importantly, tried to avoid making his race an issue. Because it shouldn’t be. Except with Gary because Gary’s a bit racist lol. As for the poly thing. I was worried people wouldn’t like it. Having to choose is so dramatic and romantic, but I didn’t want Nathan and Iddy or Iddy and Ben to be like normal romances, if you know what I mean. They aren’t normal. I wanted this love story to be about not having to compromise.
  11. I’m still checking in every couple days but been a little more busy than my social phobia can take so my online life is suffering. I’ll be back!

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    2. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      Wait, you tried to be friendly, right?   :taser:

    3. CloverReef

      CloverReef

      Smile, nod, and dead eyes. That’s my go-to response in the real world. Why, is that not friendly?

    4. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      I’d rather hide, kinda makes me eligible for Hermits United, if I could stand a crowded cave, that is.  :angry:

  12. This is Canada, DP. Our angry mobs favour the hockey stick.
  13. I love the idea of a creative writing class, just for the pure educational value of it. Learning is always valuable. But for me and people like me, it’s not an option for feedback for two reasons. Price is the first one. Personal interest classes generally run $100 and up. Actual programs will run a lot more than that (where I am). There are online free options, but those are best for independent learning rather than getting any honest feedback. Second reason is simply the subject matter. If I were to write a story for a class, I would not write the sort of things I prefer to write. I wouldn’t write anything close, because gay-themed smut does not seem like an appropriate subject matter for a creative writing class. I certainly wouldn’t have the balls to put one of my stories forward even in an open-minded university environment, much less in a very conservative small town lol. So the class could be awesome for honing skill if one can afford it, but perhaps not ideal for the sort of feedback we’re griping about lacking.
  14. CloverReef's Review Centre

    Review for Cold Snap Thank you for reviewing it! I’m glad you enjoyed!
  15. PlagueRat's Storytelling Corner

    Review for Wish Hi Kylee! I’m glad you enjoyed the story! If I ever expand upon it, I will definitely delve more into Caleb’s feelings for his late husband. Thank you for the suggestion!