CloverReef

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  1. CloverReef

    Committing Murder... Of Your Characters

    Absolutely. I think it depends on the story and the impact I’m going for too. I just touched on messy in response to the comment before mine. I like quick and clean just as much as messy; it always depends on what’s right for the particular story. Though I’d be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy writing the messy ones best.
  2. CloverReef

    Committing Murder... Of Your Characters

    I personally think long, creative and messy doesn’t necessarily take away from the emotional impact. Gratuitousness miiight in some cases, depending on how it’s written. The most important thing to me, when I write a death scene where I want emotional impact, is if it’s breaking my heart to write it. I need it to break my heart if I want it to break the hearts of my readers. I tend to favour the messy stuff, but that comes from my horror background. Messy can make a spiral out of control more powerful and put a spotlight on raw, messy emotions. If you wanna get philosophical about it, it can be a metaphor for a lot of other emotional things going on in the story. Personally I like my death scenes real intimate and raw. Though I don’t think I get all that complicated either. (Scene in bathroom = heavy soapdish to the head) Something that happens spontaneously to normal people who don’t have guns just hanging around, so in the heat of the moment, they have to improvise, or they’re giant winged monsters and everything they do is messy anyway, lol. I can’t say I’ve done a lot of death-by-gun bits. At least not with main characters. It usually doesn’t make sense for the circumstances I lay out, or the settings. If I wrote about gangsters or cops or hunters (or republicans?) more, I probably would.
  3. CloverReef

    Committing Murder... Of Your Characters

    I love horror fantasy fusions. But yeah, I absolutely believe you can be super attached to your characters and empathize with them yet still be more than happy to slaughter the fuck out of them. Doesn’t mean you’re less attached than someone who wouldn’t hurt their characters, I think it just means that you made a difficult decision, or like the more emotionally driven writers like me, let the story sweep you away and did what it demanded.
  4. CloverReef

    Your writing over time

    Editing/betaing is a topic I could discuss for hours. I won’t, though, because I don’t want to hijack the thread. I’m happy you enjoy it. Like ridiculously happy. My favourite people to beta for are the ones who are eager to learn whether or not they take my suggestions. Giving feedback is an art form too, and helpful critiques are not always appropriate. I very rarely give critiques, even sugar coated ones, to people who didn’t ask for it. Like when I review random chapters on AFF, I usually bite my tongue and only put the positive things. Sometimes the best way you can help a struggling writer getting little-to-no attention is to give their ego a boost, and theeeen you can worry about helping them with their issues (if you want to take that on). Let them feel some love and positivity. Let them feel like writing is worth the deafening silences and that someone out there is listening. That will help their passion grow, and when people are passionate about something, they evolve. Some very well-meaning critical feedback can be crushing to someone whose confidence is already shaken and can do more damage than good. I’ve had arguments about this with other betas, but I’m the Queen Beta, so listen to me, not them. But if you’re reviewing someone like @Desiderius Price who has explicitly stated they welcome critical feedback, the gloves very nicely come off. I think it’s still important to not be a dick about it.
  5. CloverReef

    Your writing over time

    I think confidence helps too. I think at the start a lot of writers think their writing is awesome enough to push on people, yet won't read it themselves and get super insecure about critical feedback so they won't go to betas. Getting over that phase was a bit of a milestone for me. Like getting to a point where I can take reasonable critiques and enjoy reading my own writing and edit the hell out of it and still think the shit I'm spinning is gold. Edit: I'm in a hotel recovering from a biopsy so if I Fuck up my grammar or spelling y'all just gotta deal. <3
  6. CloverReef

    Your writing over time

    My writing has absolutely evolved. A few things factor into it. I very much credit my years in fanfiction as a powerful foundation. Though my writing sucked back then, it was an excellent training ground for character development and crafting interesting stories using elements everyone involved was already familiar with. Also formal education played a part. I'm a high school drop out but I went out of my way to teach myself as well as seek out others who could teach me: take classes, read writing books, write essays and long discussions with my english professor mother. Plus there's the natural improvement that happens just online from writing a lot and communicating with other writers that I 100% believe has the biggest impact out of all the things I just mentioned.
  7. As long as it's clear the story is in English, so readers don't get scared off, I think chapter titles are the one place you can go absolutely crazy without detracting from the story. Esperanto, klingon, complete gibberish. Might make the writer pause and wtf about it but it won't rip them out of scenes or mess with the pacing. Might even pique curiosity and make some party more attention for hidden meanings.
  8. I saved a spider from the bathtub twice today. He gets in there and runs frantically at the slippery walls trying to get out. 10 seconds ago i watched him run back in and fall like a kid closing his eyes and running across a busy street. 

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    2. GeorgeGlass

      GeorgeGlass

      Hey, using your cleavage as a snare is a perfectly valid spider-hunting technique.

    3. CloverReef

      CloverReef

      @GeorgeGlass I've had enough spiders in the middle of the night drop onto me to know they agree with you. 

    4. Arian-Sinclair

      Arian-Sinclair

      Too late. I already Googled it, and I’m now laughing. I also Googled “fabulous mini house for tarantula”. XD 

  9. CloverReef

    How long do you prefer chapters?

    Following the flow of the scenes is always fun when it uncomplicates things for you. I kinda hate it and kinda love it when the scenes force me out of my wordcount limits. Hate it because of some minor obsessive tendencies, and love it because it’s always nice when things flow at their most natural. It’s not too common that the scenes force a shorter or longer wordcount, though. Most of the time my control-freakiness gets nicely sated.
  10. If you were a demon, just recently raised from the dead, like within the last hour, and knew nothing of the world, where would you go? Inquiring minds and all that.

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    2. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      Aw, so you’d be more into a demon to cause a bus load of people to suddenly strip?   Though if you’re looking for extreme fun, the pervy demon could simply use its powers in various high schools.

    3. GeorgeGlass

      GeorgeGlass

      If I know nothing of the world, then I will go to the nearest elementary school, cram myself into one of the tiny chairs, and drool acid on the faux-wood table in front of me while the teacher nervously tries to read us Charlotte’s Web.

    4. JayDee

      JayDee

      “Man, what a day I had. In show and tell, this demon turned up. Brought in a one tonne Hellhound Pupper. It was still less of a disruption than Cadence McMahon and her ultra-rare Pokemon Go! find.”

      “Oh my god! Are you serious? Which Pokemon did she have?”

  11. CloverReef

    How long do you prefer chapters?

    I’ve been hmm-hawing about chapter lengths for what feels like every moment of my 32 years on this planet. When I was a beginner, I thought longer was better. I also thought long-winded was better. I was not very good at this shit. Then I decided shorter was better. Little bitsized 3kperchappie pieces packed with action and maybe smut. That was better. I do best with fast-paced stuff, I think. Then I thought even that wasn’t bite sized enough because I assumed all readers had gnat-sized attention spans like me. So I cut my average chapter down by 500ish words. It still worked with my style. My latest finished product was all of 50k, with 20ish chapters, and I think it turned out pretty good. But lately I’ve been thinking short isn’t always best, even in this post-vine internet age. Like, I feel like if people are taking the time to read my story, maybe they actually wouldn’t mind a little more story in each bite. It’ll be harder on my betas, sure. I find betas tend to get less excited when chapters get more than 2.5k and backlogs start to happen. But I’ve been trying to decide on a larger number anyway. Like maybe 3.5 to 4k. It’s still short by the standards of some writers on here, but I don’t think longer than that would work with my particular style. Or maybe it would. Obviously, I’m still not sure what to do.
  12. New phones always fall on the first day. It’s a universal law. It’s motherfriggin science. If you got a new phone and it didn’t drop the first day, then you’re a witch and you need to stop cheating because it’s not fair. 

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    2. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      @GeorgeGlass  Butt cracks might be perfectly acceptable on @CloverReef’s phone, just saying….

    3. CloverReef

      CloverReef

      @Desiderius Price There’s no “might” about it. Wink wink. Especially since my artsy friends are such pervs. 

    4. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      @CloverReef  Wise cracks are more than fun here!  :)

  13. I’m convinced there’s some epic, heart-wrenching dramas behind those titles.
  14. Have a great independence day, my unfortunate neighbours South of the border! :wiz::birthday::sex: just close your eyes and imagine you have Idris elba or bernie Sanders or whatever your particular flavor of politics is as president for the day. 

    1. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      Think I’ll celebrate by looking at p...I mean doing story related research to verify that the body proportions I write are reasonably in line with hordes of reference material.

      To everybody, whether it’s a holiday for you or not, have a wonderful fourth of July!  (After all, July 4 is a valid day for everybody, with or without the fireworks.)

    2. BronxWench

      BronxWench

      Thank you!

      I’m going to have a lovely day of fantasy, I think. Political and otherwise… :lol:

    3. Arian-Sinclair

      Arian-Sinclair

      The fireworks at the neighbors weren’t to bad last night, but I’m worried about how it’ll get tonight since it’s now the 4th. I’m hoping it won’t get to being Sensory Hell for me. The colours are pretty, but I can’t bear the noise.

  15. My cat found a christmas bow. Like the kind you stick on presents. I have no idea where he found it. He’s not an outdoor cat. Our christmas stuff is packed away in the attic only accessible through a closed off staircase in a closed off closet that he has no way of getting into… and he’s been playing with it nonstop for three days. 

    1. GeorgeGlass

      GeorgeGlass

      More evidence that all cats are capable of teleportation and/or phasing through solid objects. 

    2. Desiderius Price

      Desiderius Price

      Take plenty of pictures and video!  After all, there aren’t enough cat videos on the internet.

    3. BronxWench

      BronxWench

      Cats are not subject to the same physical laws as mere humans. Gravity cannot hold them, either. :lol: