Community Discussion Requested

[greenwizard]

While I was reading all of this and catching up, a thought came to me. Why not create a category for this. Maybe call it the prepubecent category, and have warnings at the top of it that states it's a controversial category, and if such a thing offends you don't read it.

It's a thought. If it's in its own sub section it would be harder for people to claim they came across it by accident. Possibly authors with stories involving children under 13 could help the techs in getting their stories where they should be? I know it would take a lot of time and effort, but it might solve the problem.

So... now I'm going to go to bed like I should have like an hour ago.

[Guest Agaib]

I don't know, I think creating a category would REALLY make them mad. They might see it as "this site supports so much child rape that they set up a whole SECTION for it."

[Keith Inc.]

I tend to agree with Agaib. If we have sections based on fandoms and warnings based on content, that works for me.

A section based on content would make it harder for specific fans to find the charactters and 'ships they're interested in, while making an apparent 'big deal' about that specific content.

Now.

I really do think that a CONTRO warning is pandering to the Offended, who haven't a leg to stand on, but i've also found myself fascinated with the idea of a CONTROVERSY chapter in a story.

What do y'all think of this one: http://books.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600093423 ?

[DemonGoddess]

wordy ain't it? hehe. Actually, very nicely done.

[Keith Inc.]

Actually, very nicely done.

Thanx.

wordy ain't it?

Well, i didn't want to respond like so many of the ones on the Petition, with 'hey, tough nuts, they're my photons, i'll arrange them however i want!'

or 'get off y' high horse and nae be s' full o' y'self!'

[JayDee]

I agree, it's nicely done - giving the thoughts and reasoning in a rational and intelligent manner.

My version would likely be

"CHAPTER 2 HAS CHARACTERS GETTING BITS CUT OFF, AND RE-INSERTED ELSEWHERE.

DON'T LIKE, DON'T READ."

[Keith Inc.]

I agree, it's nicely done - giving the thoughts and reasoning in a rational and intelligent manner.

Thanx.

My version would likely be

"CHAPTER 2 HAS CHARACTERS GETTING BITS CUT OFF, AND RE-INSERTED ELSEWHERE.

DON'T LIKE, DON'T READ."

Nothin' wrong with that....

[manta2g]

Content warnings I think is a far as one needs to go, though I will admit a few extra of those wouldn't hurt but what sort of fiction people write is up to them as long as it isn't plagerised or about a real underage child or just an out right troll. People who stand up on thier soapboxs and complain about fiction not being moral need to seriously have thier soap box taken out from under then and thow it at them till they go away.

[Keith Inc.]

People who stand up on thier soapboxs and complain about fiction not being moral need to seriously have thier soap box taken out from under then and thow it at them till they go away.

Well, no, i'd fully support anyone's right to express themselves, even complain about the fact that there is sex or squicky sex on the internet. Soapbox yourself silly.

Making threats, though, that might deserve some punitive countermeasures.

[Psychostorm]

While I was reading all of this and catching up, a thought came to me. Why not create a category for this. Maybe call it the prepubecent category, and have warnings at the top of it that states it's a controversial category, and if such a thing offends you don't read it.

It's a thought. If it's in its own sub section it would be harder for people to claim they came across it by accident. Possibly authors with stories involving children under 13 could help the techs in getting their stories where they should be? I know it would take a lot of time and effort, but it might solve the problem.

So... now I'm going to go to bed like I should have like an hour ago.

While I think that a prepubecent category would totally fucking rock, I don't think it would accomplish what you intend for it too. I mean, I recently posted a story entitled "Rape: It's What's for Dinner!" and my second review was a guy complaining that he didn't like rape fics. I mean, what the fuck was he expecting from a fic with a title like that?

[Guest Jaxxy]

While I think that a prepubecent category would totally fucking rock, I don't think it would accomplish what you intend for it too. [...]

(Sorry, things have really picked up on my end, sooo busy

)

I have to agree with

Psychostorm

... if we help the people who interfere with our cause for too much longer (or in many more big ways), as in making a super-big-speshul!idea out of one kind of fiction being inherently different from the other, we will be shooting ourselves -- and whoever does as we do -- in the foot.

It shouldn't be a big deal, because it

isn't

. It's uncommonly cooperative of us to consider how to please everyone as far as we already have... that's more than enough. (Or so say my currently tired mind and unfocussed eyes).

[greenwizard]

This is a bit of a rant, but it also pertains to the story this thread is about. Recently, I up and put my foot in my mouth again and ran into a zealot. The thread on another forum was about child abuse, and somehow I thought I was talking to intelligent people so I mentioned this story and said I really liked it because it got a good message across. I can't remember exactly what I said, but I know I didn't say anything about me jerking off to it or anything because I didn't.

Now, in anticipation of someone wanting to read it I did warn them that it got a little graphic. You know what the outcome was? This... *^*%#& decided that I am a child predator and reported me to the FBI. I tried against my best judgment to try and explain that it's not child porn. It did no good. Her response to any argument made on my part was that pedophiles always get defensive when confronted.

I deleted my account because I had a feeling that this person would start harassing me. A very good friend went the next day to check it out and apparently this person assumed the owner of the forum deleted me and that was proof that I'm guilty. And since my comments were deleted as well, she started saying all kinds of shit like I admitted to having fantasies of little girls. My friend also tried to get them to see reason along with telling them I left so everyone would get the truth rather than the other person's very slanted side of the story. Naturally, they jumped on her and said she was me because she had to create an account to say anything...

It's been four days and the FBI hasn't come knocking down my door. This woman actually believes that having fantasies about children is punishable by law. First off, how can you even prove what goes on in somebody's head? Second, a person can fantasize about anything they bloody well please. We don't live in a society where private thoughts are monitored... yet. I've had some VERY fucked up fantasies, but I can quite safely say that young girls were never involved.

My friend who tried to stick up for me knows a social worker that I talked to about this. She said that if a report like this woman's was sent to her she would ignore it. Since I never actually came out and said that I molest little girls or was turned on by this story there really isn't much there. She said they might tap my computer and search for child porn and look for history of me visiting child porn sites if anything, but when they don't find any they'll get mad for having their time wasted.

She also pointed out that since this woman seems so report happy and is so ignorant of the actual laws, I am most likely not the first person she has reported, and the FBI has probably already labeled her a total nut case and blew her off. That's sad actually because if she ever does come across someone who is actually abusing a child she has probably cried wolf so many times they won't even read her report.

Ok, I guess I'm done. It just really pisses me off that there is some out there spreading lies about me because I have a more open mind than she does.

[Keith Inc.]

This woman actually believes that having fantasies about children is punishable by law. First off, ,,,,

Second, ....

Third, how would you tag the evidence?

Eh, it's a military standard, never reinforce defeat. If a few attempts to get your side of the story don't work, cut your losses and run. Consider that the villagers have burned the bridge behind you. You're probably better off out of such a place, where the 1st amendment seems to read 'Maximum freedom for anyone that agrees with me, minimum for everyone else.'

[Guest Jaxxy]

Eh, it's a military standard, never reinforce defeat. If a few attempts to get your side of the story don't work, cut your losses and run. Consider that the villagers have burned the bridge behind you. You're probably better off out of such a place, where the 1st amendment seems to read 'Maximum freedom for anyone that agrees with me, minimum for everyone else.'

Wow,

Keith Inc.

-- I didn't even know there was a "military standard" here, but it makes perfect sense. Some things are really a lost cause (hard to get through my head, personally, as I'm generally an optimist) -- for example, trying to make yourself heard in a stampede of the "convinced". Add in the anonymity of the Internet... you've got people who are downright zealous "haters".

In this life, you've just got to pick which battles you are going to fight each day, and choose wisely. We've all got kids or friends or work or school that need, and deserve, our attention. You won't change these guys, convinced you're a child molestor -- ridiculous -- you can't teach a pig to sing. You'll have wasted your time and annoyed the pig.

It's true,

greenwizard

-- the absolute best thing you can do is to cut that "loss", and do something good for you. These are people who

I

wouldn't want to hang out with, knowing that if they knew :gasp: "everything about me", I'd be Hellbound. They haven't put one ounce of thought into you, so you're actually honoring them by giving them the benefit of your mental energy. There are millions of more worthy people, who would care to listen, and not harm you in blind ignorance.

It's very, very hard to feel "hated", especially if you're an emotional person... but if you don't give them the power to hurt you, they simply can't. You're not wrong in being hurt... but, "Pain is necessary, and suffering is optional", so why feel bad when you have an option?

I wouldn't call this sub-discussion off-topic -- for any of us that wish to stand by our non-conventional ideas, we're likely going to face this sort of reaction... if we dare to speak up

about

speaking up, anyway, oy vey.

My advice: Be strong, concentrate on people who care about you (or at least about your ability to think for yourself), and know you're not alone. Progressive thinkers are never likely to have it easy.

[greenwizard]

Yeah, I tried to reason with them, but these people obviously don't want to see reason. It hurt, but I did burn the bridge and started concentrating on the positives.

And hey... it's been two weeks about and I haven't been arrested for anything. I'd like to see her try and explain that.

[Kip]

And hey... it's been two weeks about and I haven't been arrested for anything. I'd like to see her try and explain that.

Delighted to hear that 'they' haven't got you yet, Greenwizard! (Me either - though I had my doubts for a while). Thanks immensely for the review by the way... much appreciated. Do forgive me for not following this thread for a while, but it's been a busy few weeks, although granted that's a poor excuse (but mine own).

Jaxxy is totally correct - people like that will work themselves into a frenzy over nothing, they don't deserve you and it's their loss that you aren't going to be enlivening their unhappy little lives any longer. Whatever are they going to find to complain about now? Oh, there'll be something, there always is. But at least AFF continues to benefit from your presence!

hugs and best wishes to all

'Purr

[greenwizard]

Thanks. And I doubt you'll have much trouble unless you have child porn on your computer or something. Actually, my boyfriend said that if they do investigate me and find nothing she might get arrested for wasting their time. How cool of a thought is that.... She did make a huge fuss over nothing.

She had the nerve to say that because I was upset it proved I'm guilty because pedophiles always get defensive when exposed. It couldn't have possibly have been that I was being accused of something that wasn't true....

[Keith Inc.]

She had the nerve to say that because I was upset it proved I'm guilty because pedophiles always get defensive

That's when i go for the 'takes one to know one' defense.

That or nanny-nanny poo poo breath.

[Psychostorm]

This is a bit of a rant, but it also pertains to the story this thread is about. Recently, I up and put my foot in my mouth again and ran into a zealot. The thread on another forum was about child abuse, and somehow I thought I was talking to intelligent people so I mentioned this story and said I really liked it because it got a good message across. I can't remember exactly what I said, but I know I didn't say anything about me jerking off to it or anything because I didn't.

Intelligent people are a rarity, on the internet and in real life, becareful who you reveal such informantion too. Most are intellectual dead ends who are willfully ignorant.

Now, in anticipation of someone wanting to read it I did warn them that it got a little graphic. You know what the outcome was? This... *^*%#& decided that I am a child predator and reported me to the FBI. I tried against my best judgment to try and explain that it's not child porn. It did no good. Her response to any argument made on my part was that pedophiles always get defensive when confronted.

There is no use in arguing with a dumb cunt, don't even try. Their stupidity is ledgendary and not worth your time. ESPECIALLY in the whole Pedophile issue. Most dumb shit are all too happy to climb up on their moral high horse and be like "OMG PEDO!!" just to get that little nugget of joy in thinking they are better than you morally. They are disgusting vermin with no value to the human race. The sooner they die the better.

I deleted my account because I had a feeling that this person would start harassing me. A very good friend went the next day to check it out and apparently this person assumed the owner of the forum deleted me and that was proof that I'm guilty. And since my comments were deleted as well, she started saying all kinds of shit like I admitted to having fantasies of little girls. My friend also tried to get them to see reason along with telling them I left so everyone would get the truth rather than the other person's very slanted side of the story. Naturally, they jumped on her and said she was me because she had to create an account to say anything...

Typical tactics of a conservative rightwing piece of shit. You shouldn't have deleted your account though, that was a bad move and left you open to attack.

It's been four days and the FBI hasn't come knocking down my door. This woman actually believes that having fantasies about children is punishable by law. First off, how can you even prove what goes on in somebody's head? Second, a person can fantasize about anything they bloody well please. We don't live in a society where private thoughts are monitored... yet. I've had some VERY fucked up fantasies, but I can quite safely say that young girls were never involved.

I fantasize about little girls, about tearing their hyments from the face of the planet, about besitality, about necrophillia, about a kinds of deiviant shit that most people haven't ever dreamed of. When people think they have the right to critisize or punish people for their thought life, they have crossed the line. That is typical conservativ shit(ok, sometimes liberal in rare insances). What we do in our minds is our fucking business. Thats the problem I have with these moral majority fuckers, they cross that line, they think they have the fucking right to regulate the thoughts of others and butt into thing that DONT" HAVE AnY FUCKING BEARING ON REALITY!! Fuck you pieces of shit, I will rejoice at every last one of your deaths, you Christain fucks. And don't kid me, this bitch that is harrassing you, she is a CHristian, we all know it.

My friend who tried to stick up for me knows a social worker that I talked to about this. She said that if a report like this woman's was sent to her she would ignore it. Since I never actually came out and said that I molest little girls or was turned on by this story there really isn't much there. She said they might tap my computer and search for child porn and look for history of me visiting child porn sites if anything, but when they don't find any they'll get mad for having their time wasted.

The innocent have nothing to fear. However, I still find it disturbing that the government thinks they have the right to tell us what we can and can't view. Its like the old drugs/prositution argument, any law that clearly implies that the govermnent has the right to tell us what we can do with our bodies is bullshit, they don't own us! I should be able to look at what I want to look at, fuck who I want to fuck even if its for money and put what ever the motherfucking shit into my body. Nobody owns me, I should be able to do as I please with my body and my senses.

She also pointed out that since this woman seems so report happy and is so ignorant of the actual laws, I am most likely not the first person she has reported, and the FBI has probably already labeled her a total nut case and blew her off. That's sad actually because if she ever does come across someone who is actually abusing a child she has probably cried wolf so many times they won't even read her report.

Yeah fuck her. If I had the power I'd have her tortured to death over the course of 18 months as punishment. This morality bullshit high horse she's jumping on makes me sick. I will cum five milion times when she dies and I'd defile her corpse if I could. She is garbage and unworthy of the life she's been given.

Ok, I guess I'm done. It just really pisses me off that there is some out there spreading lies about me because I have a more open mind than she does.

Don't be so surprised, people spread lies in real life and on the internet. You just can't avoid it. 99.9% of humans are petty, worthless creatures marching all too happily towards the slaughter. This woman is worthless, insignificant, vermin. Her death would be a blessing on humanity.