Review replies for "Dark Dreams, Forbidden Fantasies" (Phineas and Ferb)

[GeorgeGlass]

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From ANON - PhineasandFerbfan on December 03, 2016

Your final chapter, and ergo my final review. It's been a while, but it was worth the wait.

 

Thanks!

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First of all, may I ask why AYA depressed you? I mean, from some of the other fanfics you’ve written and the fact that you inserted that reference to Isabella in the fic I get the sense that you do ship them to some degree, and I think if I watched an episode in which a pairing I shipped became canon I’d overlook the issues with the episode itself (Phineas and Ferb not inventing and living different lives, Phineas supposedly having a crush on Isabella for years which no one picked up on or told him was reciprocated until all of a sudden everybody does, only one mention of Candace, and a whole load of other things) as long as it gave me the canonicity I wanted. (By contrast, I was depressed by AYA as well, but that’s just because I despise Phinbella.)

I like Phinbella a lot, myself; I think I have a thing about making unrequited love, you know, requited. It was for that reason that I found AYA heartbreaking: We learn that Isabella NEVER got up the nerve to express her feelings to Phineas and just kept pining for him until she eventually gave up. I was angry that Isabella ended up being too weak to go after what she wanted, instead letting herself pine silently for Phineas for years, and I was sad that her feelings remained unrequited until long after she got over them. And, of course, I was annoyed that every Phinbella story I ever wrote had been suddenly rendered incompatible with canon.

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I can understand the impregnation fetish thing – getting them a baby is the most definite thing you can write to underline that any relationship is a big deal. Or at least, that’s how I would rationalize it.

Exactly. I feel that for a man, a woman wanting to have his baby is both a tremendous gift and the highest compliment.

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And no, you were right that I’ve never been married – maybe that question was indeed a little bit naïve. I’ll defer to your knowledge on that one.

LOL. I was just making the point that being married does not blind a man to the attractiveness of women other than his wife. (Thankfully, my wife acknowledges this and is okay with it. She even gave me a coupon for a strip club once.)

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Phineas being in denial about Candace yelling at him is certainly the most likely explanation for his love for her throughout all her mood swings. Personally, I think he's genuinely oblivious to what 'busting' really entails, believing it's just that Candace wants to show their mother the great things they do so badly because since he is convinced what he's doing is all just fun and Candace loves him, the thought of any of it warranting punishment or Candace wanting that is alien to his mind. The yelling, on the other hand, is something he would just overlook not because he doesn't notice it, but because he can see the big picture and knows Candace loves him, so although the things she yells sometimes still sting none of it actually means anything in the long run. And all of them being in denial about something is a very accurate observation.

The denial thing was really meant to be a sort of real-world rationalization for Phineas’ seeming obliviousness to Candace’s behavior on the show. I don’t doubt that in the minds of the show’s writers, Phineas is just as oblivious as he seems. But because this story is about what goes on below our conscious awareness, I thought it would be interesting to explore the idea that there is more to Phineas’ naivete than that.

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I'm glad to see Phineas wanted to do this again sometimes, but of course Candace would fancy herself responsible enough to shut it off. (I'd imagine part of that is genuine moral/practical concerns, while the other part is that she knows she couldn't date Jeremy if part of her wanted to have sex/romance with her brother again.)

Exactly.

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And it's nice to see Candace admit that yes, the sheer amount of obsession she has with (busting) her brother is definitely a little... odd, from a shipping point of view.

The underlying cause of Candace’s urge to bust her brothers is something I’ve played with in a few different fics, because it just seems too intense to be mere envy.

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They'll always have the memories, though. Now I do wonder whether, if this Phineas ever ends up with Isabella, he'll have wistful flashbacks to this moment with Candace during or after their first time.

Maybe he’ll just be glad to have some idea of what he’s doing.

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I liked the Heinz-Vanessa non-scene. Looks like Doofy's night wasn't quite as disappointing as he'd imagined it to be - though more disappointing than he would have hoped for. Yes, it's probably for the best that you didn't go there. Considering how much Heinz sees Vanessa as a little girl and how much of an overprotective Dad he is, and how frustrated Vanessa can be with him sometimes (and how different he is from her dream guy) writing a sex scene between those two in a plausible manner would require a lot more story investment than befits a casual scene like that.

Plus, I really didn’t want to write a scene that involves Doof being naked. Seeing him in his underwear on the show was bad enough.

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That dream certainly exhausted them, didn't it? (Although I have a hard time imagining chipper Phineas saying anything in a "please kill me now" voice, even under these circumstances.) And Vanessa even got exhausted despite nothing really happening with her... even though she did have to walk around the castle all night, so I guess that would have been tiring enough.

Right.

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I definitely liked the fact that you ended the story on a Phineas/Candace note rather than on a Ferb/Linda note (heck, you didn't even mention explicitly whether Ferb and Linda would ever remember) because even taking into account my bias to that part of the story it definitely felt more like a Phineas/Candace story than a Ferb/Linda one to me.

I think that's a reflection of the way I wrote the characters, which in turn was a reflection of the extent to which I felt like I understood the characters. Phineas and Candace are both pretty up front with their emotions, so in writing them, I felt like I had a solid place to start before I began delving into their subconscious minds. On the other hand, we don't know much about Linda's inner life, and Ferb is a cypher, so in writing about their subconscious minds, I felt as though I were starting almost from scratch: I had to create some understanding of what their conscious thinking is like, which left less opportunity to explore their subconscious thinking in depth.

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And the way you put that, that "his sister's touch somehow kindled a warm sensation inside him" definitely shows there was more to these two characters' coupling than just physical relations. I would definitely imagine this to have an effect on their relationship from here on out.

I'd like to think so. Now that the show is off the air, we're free to imagine quite a bit.

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Let me finish my review by commending you on your work, and seconding the request for a sequel - even if I'm not sure what that sequel could be about without it being a rehash of this story. I'm sure it'd still be a good tale, though. Anyway, well done!

Thanks! At present, I have no plans for a sequel, but if the right idea comes to me, it could happen.

Right now, though, I've got a rather different P&F fic in the works, titled “Hot Yoga.” It features all B-list characters (the only one who is arguably an A-lister is Stacy) and deals with Jenny's attempt to teach a yoga class -- which, thanks to some incense that Jenny “borrows” from her parents to help her students relax, turns into a full-blown orgy. So it’s much less deep than “Dark Dreams, Forbidden Fantasies”; in fact, after the setup, it will pretty much be nonstop porn. Hope you’ll tune in.

Thanks for all the reviews!

[GeorgeGlass]

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From ANON - Codename Greengras on January 14, 2017

Good evening Sir,

 

Good evening to you.

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I must admit that I love your story. Bounded in the "real world" by moral standarts and society... the protagonists not only overcome this burden through a shared dream... they fullfill their deepest fantasies with each other. Only to have a bittersweet end... You wrote a fine piece of art...

Thank you! That is a high compliment.
 

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The loveliest part was indeed capter three where Phineas and Candace discover and explore their mutual affection for each other. What started as a slight "Oops" moment in chapter one paired with our beloved villain and his machine has gone much deeper for the sibling...

It was a near perfect start for their adventure... the only thing I could mourn about is that the complete scenery was about the raw lust which both shared. I really like it (not to misunderstand me) but I missed/whished to read more about the feeling (which a part of them shared)... not only raw "fucking", more about real making love. Expressing the feelings, gentle exploring the bodys and passionate making love.

Each of them was overwhelmed by the sexual feelings that the other’s seductive alter-ego was arousing in them. When they finally gave in to their desires, it was like a dam breaking; they had to have each other, right then and there. If they had had more time together in dreamland, I think they eventually would have made love in the way that you describe.

Even if I didn't read about that in chapter three... it bounced back with the bittersweet end in chapter eight.

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You are little malecious, you know (don't get me wrong). First you eradicated my hope because the protagonists came at the end of the dream to the conclusion that there is no possibility for their adventure in the real world. But not only that... Than Linda and Ferb can't remember a thing... only their subconscious seems to remember what happened..

But then... but then you wrote to sentences:  

"... They raised their heads, and through their bleary eyes, he looked at her, and she looked at him.
And they knew...."  Only to two sentences... but they are so strong filled with emotion. (that saved it for me)...Phineas and Candace remember what they've done in the dream. Now it's in their hand to seize this opportunity or let it slip away. What will they do?

 

I didn’t want them to have their lives changed entirely by the experience, but I didn’t want a total “reset button” ending, either. I wanted there to be at least a little hint that Phineas and Candace’s relationship will be positively affected by the insight they gained about themselves and each other during their shared dream.
 

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Nevertheless, you've done great job, my dear. Even if you don't plan to write a sequel about that joyful ride... I hope I will find it in the near unknown future. (and hopefully the boundaries will cast away and both join... and enjoy the compannionship in real life.

 

I’m glad you enjoyed the story, and thanks very much for the review!

[Guest Andrew Kerbs]

Great story good job with explaining the character development.

[GeorgeGlass]

9 hours ago, Guest Andrew Kerbs said:

Great story good job with explaining the character development.

Thanks! Getting into the characters’ heads seemed important for a story that deals with both dreams and forbidden desires.

[GeorgeGlass]

@Yahegai

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With the amount of times his inventions have caused people to have sex in your very lovely stories, Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz should just become a well hung fairy that fulfills people\'s deepest sex desires

 

Well, thanks for putting THAT image in my head.  In any case, glad you enjoyed the story.

[FairySlayer]

1 hour ago, GeorgeGlass said:

@Yahegai

Well, thanks for putting THAT image in my head.  In any case, glad you enjoyed the story.

With his luck, Doof would constantly be called upon to fulfill the sexual fantasies of Vanessa or Roger.

…or both of them together!

And he'd be so sick of Candace and Suzy fighting over who gets Jeremy. On the bright side, I think Linda still has a thing for him, plus he's probably Phineas' real father. I mean, look at the hair! (Probably some mix-up at a masquerade party led to all sorts of Danville kids being related.)

Happy dreams.