Review replies for "Dark Dreams, Forbidden Fantasies" (Phineas and Ferb)

[GeorgeGlass]

Leave a review, win a prize! No, wait, it's leave a review, get a response. (Maybe my forbidden fantasy is to be a carny.)

[nautiscarader]

I got to admit, I'm not a fan of this one, unlike your other stories. But that's just because incest is definitely not my kink.

[GeorgeGlass]

I got to admit, I'm not a fan of this one, unlike your other stories. But that's just because incest is definitely not my kink.

That's cool; I don't expect my every story to be to everyone's taste. Maybe you'll like another one I've got in the works: "Hot Yoga," in which Jenny leads a yoga class that gets out of hand in a big way.

[GeorgeGlass]

Jomahawk2694 2016-05-09 id # 3000071561

Glad to see this one finally getting the limelight (or whatever you would call it in a dream)

The lemonlight, perhaps?

Greatly written, the characters are on point, and the inator was a great idea :-)

Thank you! I'm not sure where the Inator idea came from.

Can't wait for the next chapter!

Joma

Won't be long!

[GeorgeGlass]

TheallmightyUltimix 2016-05-10 id # 3000071564

Well, this is certainly different from your usual. Glad to see another P&F story from you, I'm looking forward to the next chapter.

Thanks! Now that the series has ended, I feel like I can take the characters in new directions that I wouldn't necessarily have considered before. Next chapter coming soon!

[GeorgeGlass]

PhineasandFerbfan (Email Hidden) 2016-05-16 id # 3000071581

This has got to be the best PhineasxCandace story with sex scenes in it that I've ever read - not that that's up against such stiff competition, admittedly.

Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever read one. But thanks, nonetheless.

But it's still unusual for a pornographic story to include a Perry-and-Doof scene that, although clearly meant to move the plot along, is plausible given what usually happens in those scenes, and even the whole contrived coincidence thing - Phineas, Ferb, Candace and Linda experiencing something sexual on the day Doof launches that specific inator - is plausible in PnF context. And I suppose it's not unreasonable for that kind of inator to connect people who were thinking about each other as they fell asleep.

Exactly what I was going for. Absurd coincidences are one of the show's trademarks. And I feel that if I'm going to write several chapters of incestuous sex among these characters, I can at the very least give it a proper setup.

The characterization is sufficiently good as well, especially considering the whole dream nature of the story making stuff possible that wouldn't have been otherwise. I like the little details such as Doof's fears being public humiliation and giant bats, and Candace arranging her plush toys to make it look like she's not big on them anymore, because they make the fic feel grounded in the show.

IMO, much of both the fun and the challenge of writing fanfiction comes from making it true to the source material while doing completely new things with the characters. Otherwise, if the characters aren't going to act like themselves, why not write an original story instead?

It's a bit odd how there are only short scenes before you switch from one POV to the other. I'm glad you didn't intersplice the Phindace stuff in Ch. 2 with Ferb and Linda too, because that might have made it far too complicated.

This chapter was a bit of an experiment. I've written plenty of sex scenes in which the POV switches back and forth between the two characters involved, but this was the first time I've written one in which the two characters were in separate (but parallel) sex scenarios.

Leaving Ferb and Linda out of this chapter was a deliberate choice, for the very reason you mentioned. Likewise, in subsequent chapters, there are going to be some very short cutaways to other people's dreams--mainly for the sake of comedy--but I decided not to include any of those in this chapter because it was complicated enough already.

I think I might have preferred it if you had just one Phineas and Candace sharing a dream from the start, but this does make the concept more original and the wish-fullfilment (relating to the sex scene) more realistic. But I suppose there might be more of that in one of the next chapters, right? The fact that the actual sex scene was so short made it feel a bit off, but I guess that was because they were in pretty deep (figuratively) at that stage.

I wanted to show how much internal resistance both siblings had to overcome before they could willingly have sex with each other--and then how desperately they needed to do it once they got past their inhibitions.

And you got me intrigued with the idea of 'accumulated desires of a lifetime together'. I hope you'll expand a little on that in a later chapter.

Most definitely. This story will have eight chapters--the intro, three Phineas/Candace chapters interleaved with three Ferb/Linda chapters, and a denouement. In those central chapters, there will definitely be some exploration of the characters' forbidden fantasies about one another.

The way Phineas and Candace giving in to their respective fantasies unites them in one dream is also good. It's interesting that Candace giving in to Phineas is happening at the same pace as Phineas giving into Candace. I would have imagined Phineas to be the less resistant one, given he canonically often acts more fond of Candace than she does of him. (Not that canonCandace doesn't love her brother, but the strength of Phineas' feelings towards her is pretty remarkable sometimes.)

It's at least arguable that Candace's greater resistance to those feelings comes from having more feelings to resist. Being a teenager, Candace is at a stage when both her emotions and her sexual desire are at a new height, but so is her need to adhere to social norms and fit in with her peers. Phineas, in contrast, is less concerned about being normal, and he's more accepting of his affection for his sibling, but he's also much less in touch with his nascent sexual urges than Candace is (if his repeated epic failures to perceive Isabella's attraction to him are any indication).

Now I'm kinda curious what the FerbxLinda scene will be like,

Very different. Stay tuned.

but I'm even more curious to see the aftermath of the whole story. That'll probably be... awkward. But what happens next is hard to say at this point, so I'll wait and see.

Good--I'm glad the ending's not predictable, at least not this far in advance.

Thanks so much for the review!

[GeorgeGlass]

Jomahawk2694 2016-05-20 id # 3000071587

Well,that was certainly one of the more intense things you have written. I really liked it though, and I cant wait for the next chapter :-)

Joma

Thanks! “Intense” was really what I was trying for, here. Hope you’ll like the next chapter just as much.

Fairy-Slayer 2016-05-20 id # 3000071588

It was pleasant enough to read about a beautiful day at the beach, but then the happy accidents happened and it was clear that no one would just forget about it. You did a wonderful job setting up how each of the characters, once alone with their thoughts in the dark, dwelled on their innocent encounters to the point where they weren't so innocent anymore.

Thank you! I wanted to show the contrast between normal, waking life and what happens in the characters’ dreams, and how each character makes the transition from one to another. Jomahawk, who is kindly beta-reading this for me, gave me some helpful suggestions about how to make this work between Phineas and Candace. (It was a bit easier for Ferb and Linda, for reasons to be mentioned in the next chapter.)

The dual seduction of calm partial-Phineas and somewhat more urgent partial-Candace was very well played, especially since their seductive dream counterparts had those properties – a complimentary flavor to their real-live selves perhaps?

The seductive aspects of the partial characters are the manifestation of each dreamer’s suppressed desires. Candace and Phineas are both control freaks in their own way (after all, it’s never Ferb who says “I know what we’re going to do today”), and it takes the combined force of their own forbidden urges and those of their sibling to overcome that control.

Once their dreams merged and they got down to some sweet passionate lovemaking it was quite enjoyable: the pace was good, and their climaxes were quite satisfying even as a reader.

Thanks!

I'm not a total incest fiend, but for some reason it just felt "right" that they should finally enjoy intimacy instead of that weird level of background enmity (which is mostly Candace, yes, but it's not like Phineas ever tries to tell Linda that his big sister isn't a nutjob).

I like to think that that enmity stems largely from their being in different stages of life. Candace is in the full emotional and hormonal turmoil of adolescence, whereas Phineas is an industrious preteen who is still clueless about all that stuff—even as the 500-pound gorilla called puberty sneaks up on him with its magic sledgehammer. (Oops, wrong story. )

The fact that they ended up in Candace's bed (though in a shared dream, I'm assuming) suggests that her desire was stronger than his; maybe that explains why the Phineas "dream tempter" was so much more calm than temptress Candace. (Or maybe I'm just reading way too much into it. )

You are. They just had to end up somewhere, and Candace DOES have the bigger bed. Although their being in her room will have some importance in a later chapter.

So awesome job so far. I look forward to chapter 3 and beyond. Thanks.

Thank you!

[GeorgeGlass]

Saint_Wanker_Kris 2016-05-27 id # 3000071598

Howdy...

I've been gone for quite too much, and there's a lot of new stories here to read,even better there are a lot of new stories from *you* to read, and that's quite good in my book.

Thank you! And as far as reading and reviewing go, you've certainly made up for lost time!

I must admit that I'm quite surprised by the premise on this fic, as it's obvious that you're expanding on the fandom, quite curious indeed, for I've been thinking among the same lines regarding Candace and Phineas... (More about the fact that Candace seems far more attached to Phineas than anyone else, even Ferb or her parents...)

The whole thing began (as quite a few of my stories do) with a thought/idea/fantasy that I had while half-asleep. I was imagining Candace speaking seductively to Phineas, telling him that being a boy and a girl living in the same house, it was perfectly normal to have sexual thoughts about each other once in a while. And yes, there's a definite theme in this story of familial love getting tangled up with sexual attraction.

As always, the way you make the characters look so close alike to their canon counterparts is admirable, you're on point and how you slowly build up things are to say the least, engaging and damn rigth addicting...

As always, I consider this a high compliment. Being true to the characters is extremely important to me, and the slow build-up comes from that, because it's the only way to make these sexual scenarios plausible.

>I'm dying to see what's going on, how is going to happen and the consequences, and while the Ferb/Linda is an interesting premise, I'm far more interested in Phineas/Candace. (Ferb is a good character, but he's simply... a blank state at some points... almost made to be perfect in every sense... while Phineas at least lost some of his perfection as the series advanced...)

Ferb is nearly perfect in a lot of ways, but one of his weak areas is expressing himself and his feelings. We'll definitely be delving into Ferb's mind in this story.

Thank you for writing, and sorry for taking so long to read you.

Oh, never apologize for that. I'm always happy to get a review from you, regardless of the timing.

[GeorgeGlass]

Saint_Wanker_Kris 2016-05-27 id # 3000071599

As promised, there's my other review. I loved the fact that you approached Candace/Phineas first, as I must admit I was more invested upon them than Linda/Ferb.

The Phineas/Candace dynamic is, well, more dynamic than that of Ferb/Linda, mainly because Phineas and especially Candace have a lot of emotions to deal with and inhibitions to overcome. I felt like I should lead with that, because Linda and Ferb have a very different set of issues.

I mean, L/F could be set in another way, Ferb probably doesn't have memories of his biological mother, and the fact that he had touched her tit could put another road in their dream, one that has him reaching up to her with the angle of "breast feeding", which Linda could or not enjoy, and end up being the instigator for something far more intimate.

Ah, I see that you, Doktor Freud, and I are all on the same page, here.

(I just hope she downright dominates the whole thing, as it's quite obvious that she might or not be a quite powerful woman in bed...)

Ah, but everyone enjoys a little role-reversal now and then...

But going back to C/P... it was interesting to see that Candace dream version was actually far more aggresive than Phineas version, which is actually closer to canon. Phineas is a quite recesive or reactive boy, while Candace has been obsessing on trapping him, on getting him, on winning... there must be quite a lot of frustration that she had obviously released there, which could do her a lot of good, or a lot of bad. She sadly tend's to repress many things... But here she was forced to let it go, to stop repressing her feelings all over, which ended up with her busting her brother, but not exactly as she had thought she would.

Exactly. Being a teenager and utterly neurotic, Candace has a lot of powerful emotions to deal with. Being preadolescent, Phineas is a bit more in control of himself, but he's also dealing with more unknowns than Candace is.

I simply adored the final dialogue, the "Wow" and "Yes" felt so Candace that I couldn't prevent the smile on my lips.

Thank you! I always try to end a chapter on a good line.

Thank you for writing, as always.

And thank you for reading!

[GeorgeGlass]

From ANON - PhineasandFerbfan on August 12, 2016

Hello, this is the same Phineas and Ferb fan who reviewed the earlier chapter(s).

Hey there, PhineasandFerbfan! Thanks for the detailed review.

Like most of the other reviewers, I’m not nearly as invested in Ferb/Linda as I am in Phineas/Candace, if only for the age gap, the fact that Linda is married and the fact that it’s hard to see them as a serious ship where it’s just about possible to imagine Phineas and Candace actually getting together. But since this story as a whole interests me, I’m happy to see you’ve updated at last and I’m kind of curious how you’ll approach it, I’ll try to give it an in-depth review anyway.

I will say that I find Ferb/Linda substantially more difficult to write than Phineas/Candace, because whereas the relationship between Phineas and Candace is pretty well established on the show, on-screen interactions between Ferb and Linda are scant. So I'm having to create a lot of their relationship out of whole cloth.

I see you’ve taken the same approach as with Phineas and Candace – splitting up the dreams and having the more eager part of one seduce the less eager part of the other for maximum effect – but you’ve located the dreams to a lab and a cruise ship, rather than just Ferb and Linda’s bedrooms (well, picking Linda’s bedroom would be awkward because Lawrence would usually be present, so I see why you did that – even if Ferb would of course normally be in Phineas’ room, and there was no trace of him there last chapter. Oh, well.)

The fact that Linda justifies everything by acknowledging it was a dream, while Phineas and Candace took the whole ordeal a lot more seriously from the start, is interesting…

I put Linda and Ferb into fantastical environments so that they could quickly realize that they were dreaming. If they'd just been in their bedrooms, it would have taken them longer to figure that out.

and then that brief Stacinger interlude to prove other people do indeed have incest dreams caught me off-guard. I don’t think anyone has ever shipped that ship before.

Maybe not in stories, but I've definitely seen it in artwork. And I couldn't help but imagine Stacy speaking seductively to her little sister in that Kelly Hu voice of hers, which I've always thought had an underlying sultriness to it.

And then Ferb believes it’s a dream too – until Linda makes that one mistake. That’s a nice twist, especially because he’s so curious and sciencey (and probably other reasons he doesn’t want to acknowledge) that he goes ahead with printing her anyway.

Exactamundo.

Part of me feels this dream is a bit less realistic than the experience shared between Phineas and Candace, because of the overemphasis on the fact that it is a dream and the fact that Linda and Ferb don’t really try to resist unlike Phinny and Candy did. I can’t imagine real-life Ferb and Linda starting a relationship sooner than Phineas and Candace would. The whole situation seems a lot more dreamlike and without repercussions on the real world than the last chapter.

My idea about Linda and Ferb is that they are both more self-aware than Phineas and Candace--Linda because she's an adult, and Ferb because he's introspective. So I think both of them would be more wiling to acknowledge their buried feelings about each other than Ferb's siblings would be.

In response to your review reply, I wanted to thank you for writing that and saying that upon some reflection I agree with you on the whole feelings-vs-hormones thing, that Phineas might feel closer affection for his sister but it’s Candace who would be grappling with teenaged hormones and physical desire towards her brother. It’s a bit of a paradox – on one hand, Phineas is the more reactive of the two and the one who is least interested in romance and sex in general, but I can’t see Candace ever seriously going for her brother without Phineas making the first move.

Exactly. Each of them really needed the other to make the first move, so their subconscious minds created a situation in which that could happen.

I’ve written a lengthy Phindace story myself (which didn’t include sex, which made it slightly less complicated overall) in which I had to juggle Phineas being the one having a relatively innocent crush on his sister and him wanting to make a move but still being inexperienced in those matters, while Candace is the one who knows all about those things and urges but tries to resist them because this is Phineas, after all.

Not to mention the Jeremy issue. How are you handling that?

It is all in all a very interesting scenario, but now you’ve made me all the more interested for what happens next on the Phindace front. (Like, for instance, the question of how long the conversation between the 'What in the world did we just do' moment and the 'So, wanna try that again?' moment lasts.) Here’s hoping we readers won’t have to wait too long!

No worries; the next chapter will be up in a day or two.

[GeorgeGlass]

From ANON - PhineasandFerbfan on August 15, 2016

Well, you certainly updated much faster than I had expected you to, but I'm glad to see the update.

Chapter 3 went through a substantial rewrite after Jomahawk, who is kindly betaing this story for me, pointed out some serious weaknesses in the initial draft. Being a nonlinear type, I spent some time working on the subsequent chapters while I was considering how to fix chapter 3.

In response to your review reply, I am impressed by the thought you put into this concept and the different way it plays out between Phineas and Candace on the one hand, and Ferb and Linda on the other, what with the latter two being more mature and in comparison to Candace specifically also more laid back about the whole thing.

Thanks! It is important to me to show the difference between the dynamics of the two pairs.

In my own story, I tried to handle the Jeremy issue by taking the scenario which canonically is most likely to cause a rift between Candace and Jeremy - Jeremy being one year older than Candace and thus heading to college earlier leaving Candace worried what he'll get up to there, as evidenced from Across the Second Dimension - and then pretty much amplify every flaw in their relationship until Jeremy breaks (Candace's obsession over the fact that he's not with her, her jealousy of other girls, putting her obsession with busting her brothers before hanging out with him) and acknowledges that their long-term relationship isn't going to work.

That seems plausible; even Jeremy's near-saintly patience with Candace has to have a limit.

I want to send you a link but I'm not sure if this site is as strict with censoring out links as its sister site is - anyway, it's on the non-adult counterpart to this website, followed by the code /s/11719508/1/. I hope that works.

They don't censor links here (AFAIK); they just don't let them become active. You have to copy and paste.

In any case, I'll give your story a look sometime.

With regards to your actual update, I'm surprised that Phineas actually does have dreams like this, even if he knowledges there aren't a lot.

Although the makers of Phineas and Ferb were always deliberately vague about the title characters’ ages, I figure them to be around 11. I think I remember having a few rather rudimentary sex dreams at that age.

And I like the fact that he instantly manages to come up with the theory that they're meant to do more and live out their fantasies in order for the dream to finish.

Phineas is a pretty go-with-the-flow kind of guy, even when the flow goes in a weird direction.

Although rewatching the Skiddley Whiffers episode I didn't notice anything peculiar in that scene, I can certainly buy Phineas having an odd fascination with Candace's butt because of another episode, the Father's Day one. There's a scene near the end where the whole family is hugging Lawrence, except Phineas who puts his hands on her butt and lays his head against her back with a broad smile on his face. It hardly makes sense for him to do it in context and it really is a 'what' moment, but it does make sense that if Phineas had a subconscious thing for Candace's butt he would take the chance to snuggle up to it.

Hmm, I'll have to rewatch that scene.

And you made Candace have good reasons for agreeing to it, even if the shipper in me would have wanted to see Phineas slightly envious at the fact that Candace mentioned Jeremy and so clearly distinguishes between this one-time dream thing with Phineas and her real world relationship with Jeremy. But I know it would take a lot for Phineas to get jealous.

Exactly. And my version of Phineas doesn't really have romantic feelings for Candace -- just familial love mixed with repressed sexual feelings that stem from the fact that she's a girl with whom he has daily, sometimes intimate contact.

I guess it says something about me and my usual reluctant approach to sex scenes that although of course I wanted to read about Phineas and Candace having sex, I liked the fact that Phineas is turned on so much by the fact that Candace actually wants him to do this the most.

Two things that Phineas consistently desires are to do the impossible and to make people happy. This dream gives him the chance to do both.

They're experiencing, enjoying, and loving each other in a way they've never done before and although Phineas is always good-humored and undeterred by Candace's treatment of him, not even realizing her aggressive approach to busting them means she wants them to get in trouble rather than just telling their mother about the fun things they do, it must feel so good to have his sister act sweet and affectionate and welcoming to him for once.

Absolutely. This kind of physical intimacy is a new thing for Phineas, and experiencing it with someone he loves (even in a non-romantic way) makes it all the more powerful for him. This will be addressed further later on.

Nice work!

Thank you!

[GeorgeGlass]

From Fairy-Slayer on August 15, 2016

Chapter 3 was a lot of fun, getting to see Linda and Ferb's separate normal fantasies as they were slowly "corrupted" and the two came to meet. It was interesting that Ferb was able to realize it was a dream so easily early on, and more so that he figured out that somehow the real Linda's personalities and experiences were mixed in.

Ferb is highly introspective and, thus, quite self-aware. I figured that he is probably better than most people at knowing when he is dreaming.

Then Linda eventually coming to the same conclusion once their dreams merged was actually rather sweet, giving her a chance for some intimacy with her adopted son even if quite a bit different than nursing Candace and Phineas.

Hence the reference to Freud (which Jomahawk, the beta on this story, suggested).

I almost laughed out loud when the size of his desire translated to the size of his cock, and lucky that Linda was so understanding of that – and of dream physics making it possible to deal with it. Nice job of using his expressions to carry most of his communication, and it was very sweet when he answered in words when it was most-important for Linda to hear.

Part of the fun of writing Ferb is finding nonverbal ways for him to say the things he needs to say (especially when he doesn't have Phineas around to do the talking). And his laconic nature adds a lot of weight to anything he DOES say.

(The only big problem with the chapter is that _smaller_ black holes radiate away more quickly than large ones. It does feel counterintuitive to me, too, but perhaps the Hawking radiation from larger black holes is more likely to soon fall into the event horizon, or that both particles of the virtual pair are more likely to fall in together.)

You blinded me with science! I struggled to come up with some sort of complex problem for Ferb to solve: I was going to make it the proof of Fermat's Last Theorem, until I learned that someone figured that out 20 years ago. So I switched to black holes, but it appears that my Discover-magazine-level understanding of physics was not adequate to the task. Any suggestions on how to fix this?

Chapter 4 was just downright awesome:

I'm better with buttholes than black holes.

Candace and Phineas realizing it was a dream too and then deciding the only way to make it over was to *really* go for it and dig for the deepest, darkest fantasy. Phineas' desires were actually rather tame,

To our porn-jaded eyes, perhaps. But I figured that to a mid-teenage girl and a preteen boy with no real-world sexual experience, anal sex would seem pretty far out.

and Candace's dream logic about being able to make it feel good even if it doesn't was hilarious but also genius.

Thanks!

After that it was terrific hardcore fun for both, and now I can hardly wait to see what Candace will say now that it's her turn to admit to her perfect incest scenario.

It's going to be very different.

For both chapters I loved the perfectly-timed cutaways to Stacy & Ginger and Suzy & Jeremy (especially!), respectively.

Thanks! The cutaway scenes struck me as a fun way to show that our four main characters are not alone in living out their buried desires in their dreams.

Also, now that all of the Flynn-Fletchers in the merged dreams realize that they're actually sharing the experiences it was cute how the women made sure to swear the boys to secrecy before really letting loose. The only question is this: Where has Lawrence's dream-merge led him to? (Hopefully not someplace with bats or badgers or other dangerous creatures that begin with B.)

No, but in many Latin countries, the first letter of her name is pronounced like a B. Heeheehee...

Thanks for all the fun.

Thanks for all the fish! I mean, comments!

[GeorgeGlass]

From MajorWRLL on August 19, 2016

I hope if there is a sequel that we escape from the dream and they act on their desires in real life. I would love for Vanessa to love her father and not her mother.

Sorry, but to quote Candace, "What happens in dreamland, stays in dreamland." As for daddy-daughter-Doof action...let's just say that what I have planned is going to disappoint you, so sorry again.

[GeorgeGlass]

From Orso on August 23, 2016

Great story

Thanks!

i hope you aren`t done yet with it like to see what candace comes up with

Nope, definitely not done yet. Candace-fantasy coming soon! (Right after Linda's, that is.)

Edited August 25, 2016 by GeorgeGlass

[GeorgeGlass]

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From TheallmightyUltimix on August 27, 2016

Aw, I was hoping to see a scene with Isabella and her mom. Oh well, not my fic so not my place.

 

I could see that, but I already had plans for Vivian Garcia-Shapiro, so I had to do something else with Isabella.

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But seriously, Irving? That guy couldn't get any pussy even in his dreams.

Hey, they call it “getting lucky” for a reason.

Thanks for the comments!

[GeorgeGlass]

From Fairy-Slayer on August 28, 2016

 

Chapter five was an interesting bit of roughhousing. To me it didn’t quite reach the level of “rape play” but it’s definitely safer to have the warning when something smells like non-con.

 

Exactly. I’d rather err on the side of caution when it comes to that sort of thing.

 

It was a neat bit of development for Linda to have the truck-stop fantasy in the first place, and so much sweeter that she could play it out with someone as safe and loving as Ferb (and Ferb and Ferb…).

 

Yeah. And I can’t quite see Lawrence quite pulling it off.

 

Good thing it seems to have been as satisfying for her to experience as it was for me to read.

 

Awesome! Dream-space, like story-space, is the perfect place for fantasies—they can play out the way you imagine them, without reality getting in the way.

 

The goopiness and her “bath” aren’t quite my thing but I do understand it;

 

Not quite my thing, either, but it seemed appropriate.

 

plus it was a great opportunity for the loving touch of Ferb gently washing her afterwards – another kind of role-reversal I was happy to see play out.

 

That was Jomahawk’s idea, and I thought it made a good counterpoint to everything that happens before.

 

The cutaways were good: I’m glad Baljeet landed himself a horny doctor in the dream lottery, plus it’s always nice to see him being assertive.

 

Yeah. And shotadom is fun.

 

Isabella’s proclamation was funny and the follow-up by the other girls then herself definitely dissipated any WTFness due to canon.

 

My thought was that even in the dream world, you are still limited by what you and your fellow dreamers actually WANT to dream about. So I thought I’d try to get a little comedy out of that.

 

(Wish I could say the same for one of my more-complex PaF stories…)

 

In your defense, sometimes it’s more fun just to suspend disbelief.

 

I really like the idea of Irving getting some well-earned loving, though I’m a bit sorry we didn’t get to see it. Guess I’ll just have to imagine it for myself…

 

Honestly, I've never really wanted to see Irving get busy with anybody. This is largely because he seems to have only two modes with girls: overconfident schmuck and nervous wreck. (This is why I had P & F decline to invite him to their game in “Truth or Dare 2.0” and invite Django instead.)

 

Thanks.

As always, thanks for the review!

[GeorgeGlass]

From ANON - PhineasandFerbfan on August 30, 2016

I'm glad to see you writing more of this story (and I'm just as glad to hear you're considering reading mine as well). Like the last times, I'll start this review by responding to your review reply by saying that you're right about Phineas and Ferb being about eleven - in the episode Phineas and Ferb Quantum Boogaloo I think Linda says at some point that future PnF are thirty years old and they're twenty years into the future, and that episode takes place before Phineas' birthday, so ten or eleven is about right. Of course Act Your Age puts the date of the boys heading off for college about ten years in the future, but that's only the tip of the iceberg of things that are wrong about that particular episode.

There's another episode (I forget which one) in which Baljeet says something about applying to college early decision, and Phineas responds with something like, “Baljeet, college is, like, nine years away.”

But the creators of the show said that they were being deliberately vague about the characters’ ages, although I'm not sure they gave a reason. I suppose it could expand the show's viewership if more kids thought of Phineas and Ferb as being their own age.

Your review replies consistently show a good grasp of characterization, and I certainly hope we'll be seeing more of Phineas' and Candace's thoughts on this later on.

Thanks! And yes, the next chapter is going to be very psychological.

It's very interesting to explore how characters can want things on some level they don't even know they want, and especially with a young, oblivious character like Phineas who hardly ever expresses views on romance in the show and certainly shows no interest in it, it's a challenge to write him convincingly. And of course Candace is a different story of her own. All in all, I think you're doing well with them.

Thank you! Here in the world of dreams, the subconscious mind can have much more influence on the characters’ feelings and actions than it does in waking life. So I’m exploiting the hell out of that.

With regards to the actual chapter, it's interesting that Ferb is both more sensual and more invested in the scientific aspects of the ordeal than Phineas. I think that captures both aspects of his character really well, how he's more introverted and analytical but at the same time he displays a greater interest in and knowledge about girls and society as a whole.

Thanks!

The multiple Ferb/Linda scene was strange, even though of course Ferb would take full advantage of the scenario to multiply himself if that was what Linda wanted, while I liked your emphasis that Ferb was deliberately going out of his comfort zone to talk more in order to make the fantasy work. It's an unusual (although I suppose not uncommon) fantasy and enacting it in a dream-environment with someone(s) she trusts was probably the best circumstances under which it could be realized for her.

Exactly! The dream world is the perfect environment for sexual role-play.

Baljeet's interim scene was surprising because I don't think we've ever seen him interact with Stacy's mother before.

From what we've seen of Dr. Hirano on the show, it appears that she is either a pediatrician or a pediatric surgeon. So it seems likely that she would know a lot of the kids in Danville.

Isabella's Fireside Girl scene was great in terms of humor because since Isabella isn't able to live out her fantasies about her crush in this scenario it's natural that she'd be with the Fireside Girls, considering her scouting activities are her other main interest, and thus within the context of the story an orgy almost seems logical, and then you pull the scenario back 'down to earth' as it were by acknowledging that even in dreams, earning a Lesbian Orgy Patch is a step too far into the bizarre for the Fireside Girls. Nicely done.

Thank you. Having an actual Fireside Girl orgy seemed predictable, so I thought it would be funny to do something opposite to what the reader might expect.

I'm interested to see what Candace's fantasy will be. It probably won't be as extreme as Linda's, although it probably would be something Phineas would never conceive of and which might make him uncomfortable under normal circumstances

In a way, it's even more extreme. But the reasons behind it are very different. Stay tuned!

 - but given that it is a dream and how much he loves his sister, he would most likely go along with it anyway. Phineas is devoted to Candace, which is one of the reasons why I ship them so much.

Yes he is. No matter how much she yells at him and tries to bust him, he still loves her unconditionally.

[GeorgeGlass]

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From Saint_Wanker_Kris on October 05, 2016

I've to say, that this is exactly why I don't like Ferb on a sexual basis. He's a contradiction. I'm not sure if I can explain it. He's certainly, far more adult than Phineas, to a point that I feel that sometimes he must feel kind of tired of hanging out with him, but not much. He certainly loves his brother and family. But while Phineas can also be a contradiction, he's also quite naive and inexperienced in other areas that Ferb apparently isn't.
But you've managed to capture how complex he is and not make it feel like a robot. Or a boy trying too hard to be an adult and failing and being textbook like.

 

I see Ferb as being deeply introspective, whereas Phineas is always focused on the world outside himself. As a result, Ferb is more mature emotionally, because he understands himself better than other kids his age do. But at the same time, I think he appreciates having Phineas around to draw him out (and to do the talking).

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I love the fact that it's his mother who's approaching this whole thing on a more adult point of view. In fact, he still keeps that feeling of "being more experienced" due to how studious he might be, but that in the end, it's his boyish enthusiasm and his mother soft but firm hand what's guiding him into a more relaxed and natural way for him to approach it.

She's got real-world experience with sex, and she's not afraid to fantasize, so yeah.

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The whole envyronment is fun, almost like a cheesy novel. Which I mean, she probably loved. It's not something that's going to happen in real life, so she's enjoying it much better... and for what it's.

Exactly. I figure Linda probably indulges in romance novels at least occasionally, so the yacht setting seemed like something she might dream up (literally).

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I guess the next batch of their dreams would be one with a more adult and experienced point of view. This dream was more about pleasing Ferb, and Linda guiding him thorough the whole thing, I guess there's one were things are going to get a little wilder, as you've implied in other stories that she might like it rough at some times.

Not a bad prediction.

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Sorry for taking so long to leave reviews, I've been busy, and living in the hell hole of a country hasn't helped me either.

No problem at all. I'm always happy to get them, whenever they come.

[GeorgeGlass]

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From Saint_Wanker_Kris on October 05, 2016

Well, I guess they're still going to go at it for a while. I mean, this was based on Phineas desires, but then, Candance is pretty much also desiring it, so this also for her. She wants to know, and Phineas might be truly the first one to approach her in such a fashion.

 

Right. She's only fifteen, and she and Jeremy are taking things with the appropriate slowness, but that doesn't mean she's not curious, or fantasizing about what she'd like to do with him one day.

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I must admit that I'm reading this because for some reason, I've grown to like the idea of Candance/Phineas/Isabella. Don't know why, or how this come to be, I just knew that it had become my interest nowadays.

I could see that being of interest.

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I wonder, will Candance in the next installment -if there's one-, going to talk with him about how he's ignoring Isabella? I mean, Candance as submisive is a good idea, but I don't think that she's entirely completely sub, those two are a good mix I guess, sooner or later she needs to approach the deal with her taking charge and commanding him. Maybe even approach one of Suzie's methods to control her brother, (just to enjoy it, not to control it).

I'm pretty much leaving Isabella out of this one (except for one cameo). I want to focus specifically on the characters’ incestuous feelings, and I’m concerned that bringing up the Isabella issue would overcomplicate things. As for Candace’s fantasy...no spoilers.

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I almost forgot in the last review, I love those little snippets about others, that come out when one of the main characters says something in particular.

Thanks! Those are really fun to write.

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Thanks for the update, as always you're the best author in this entire fandom.

Wow. Thank you!

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Your take and control of the characters is topnotch, and so, so good that it often feels like a real episode.

Thank you again!

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I've attempted to do my own fic, but my muse completely refuses to cooperate.

They can be like that. I don’t know if this is your style, but I find it helpful to write stories out of order, starting with the scenes that are most fully formed in your mind.

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Still thanks for the update, there's a lot to read in.

You’re welcome!

[GeorgeGlass]

From Saint_Wanker_Kris on October 05, 2016

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And nailed it. I love it when you keep your own continuity in your stories. Linda like's it rough. And this was more about her despite how submissive she was being.

One thing I’ve heard many times about the dom/sub relationship is that often, it’s really the submissive who is in control, and the dom is playing out the sub’s fantasies. I like the idea of that sort of balance.

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Liked it a lot, as it forces Ferb out of his comfort zone, he adapted quickly, that he did. But it's part of who he is, and he did it only because Linda not only asked it, but was enjoying it greatly.

Well, who wouldn't?

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The ending though, it killed me. Nearly lost it there, so... Irving was expecting some action, (though, I've been thinking that maybe he's gay, and had a hard on for Phineas and Ferb, especially Phineas, and might see Isabella as competition... but the, he was a character created to despict how the fans were acting). Now he's going to get some action, but not the one he was expecting for.

I agree that Irving's near-worship of Phineas and Ferb might well have a romantic component, but he's expressed interest in girls, too. In this case, I'm happy to leave the meaning of his “Whoa” squeak open to interpretation.

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Thanks for the update, I think I'm going to give Whoop's a chance, I'ven't seen The Loud House yet, but I've been watching lot of fanarts of the series, so I kind of recognize who's who. And if you're doing them, then they're probably quite close to canon as they can be.

Thanks! There's also a little music video on YouTube that quickly runs through the names, faces, and personalities of the 11 Loud kids.

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About the SvsFOE story, I'll give it a pass and wait till you reach the end. I'm a fervent Starco supporter, they're my OTP in that Fandom, and I really don't like to read about them being with anyone else in such a fashion. Shallow, I know, but, everyone haves their quirks…

Certainly. For the record, I consider “Star's Crossed Lovers” to be a Starco story -- just not in the conventional sense.

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I'll leave you some reviews on Whoop's if I like it, soon if I can. If not, then in a few days.

No rush. And thanks for all the reviews!

 

[GeorgeGlass]

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From Fairy-Slayer on November 18, 2016

That was pretty deep, actually: Candace didn't just want to have Phineas take charge but she was even more keen for some way that she could let it happen without being blamed for any of it at all. The age switch was quite thrilling, especially for a chance to see Candace not only as a tiny girl but also for her to be so retreating and demure.

 

Given Candace's tendency freak out over everything, I figured that her guilt over her illicit desires would be paralyzing for her--even in terms of the fantasies she allows herself to have. So she created a "safe" fantasy in which she and Phineas do all the things she wants to do with him, but without her being responsible.

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Teen Phineas certainly drove home the point that she was helpless to stop him – so much that I actually thought she'd ask him to ease up a little. (How many times can someone tell you something is not your fault before you become absolutely convinced that it is? Or is it just me? ;))

Phineas never does anything halfway.

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In any case, the "abuse" was actually a lovely and tender lovemaking, though with an eagerness and energy to make it as satisfying to read as it was for loli Candace to experience.

Thanks!

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It's also quite a milestone in their relationship that she could trust her little brother to know that she has these feelings and especially the fears that go along with it.

The unreality of the dream environment makes it easier for Candace to open up to Phineas (as it were), and vice versa.

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Again, what's the waking world going to be like once the -inator's effect has run its course? Thanks for another lovely and titillating chapter.

You will find out. And thanks for another great review.

[GeorgeGlass]

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From ANON - PhineasandFerbfan on November 19, 2016

Well, you said the next Phindace chapter would get very psychological, and it definitely did. I was a little startled by Candace's fantasy of being younger (which at first sounded a lot more innocent to me than her mother's fantasy with Ferb) but like Phineas favoring Candace's butt, that's something that makes sense on some level - Candace is always trying to be mature, but that's for a lot of reasons, and it's very psychological to think that deep down she might want the opposite or at least yearns to be free from that desire for maturity. It's also interesting because both in the episode of the story I wrote that I mentioned earlier, and in its prequel story, I toyed with devices that could change ages. The fact that Candace is usually so much older than Phineas but in many ways less mature makes age a factor/kink that is a lot of fun to play with.

While I’m not getting as wildly fanciful in this story as I did in my other P&F dream story, “Sweet Dreams,” I definitely wanted Phineas and Candace to take advantage of the freedom that the dream environment gives them. I also wanted to dig into the potential complexities of the neurotic Candace’s psyche.

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The little Gretchen/Buford interlude is a natural extension (albeit a very, very far extension) of their dynamic in that one scene from the Halloween zombie special in which she's so assertive and Buford expresses that he's so in love with her. I don't think anyone shipped Gretchen/Buford until then - I think most people saw Adyson as being the most assertive of the Fireside Girls and therefore the natural shipping choice for Buford, with Gretchen appearing to be much calmer and meeker. But as this story shows, everyone has a side of themselves that's very different from what anyone might expect.

Exactly. And given that this story shows a lot of male domination and female submission, I thought there should be at least one scenario that showed the opposite.

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Phineas holding Candace's hand to reassure her that she can tell him her fantasy is so sweet.

Physical affection among the members of the family is something that I always felt was lacking on the show. So I’m making up for that a bit here.

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I have to admit that I would probably have preferred it for Phineas to stay about eleven because sixteen and six/seven is a rather big gap.

Phineas ages himself because he wants to make Candace feel secure in the knowledge that he has all the power—and, thus, all the responsibility--in the situation.
 

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The fantasy is certainly more... well, unusual than I thought at first. And the fact that Phineas knows exactly what to say once he's gotten the baseline down to comfort his sister that he's the bad one and she's innocent surprised me a little too, but I suppose their minds are at least a little affected by the physical change, making them act more mature/childlike respectively. Guilt is definitely something Candace would regularly grapple with, so to be in a situation without that... well, I can see how that would appeal to her.

I understood the situation a little better once you clarified that Phineas knows this is what Candace needs to hear - he has to be the bad one, because if he's good in any way then she would start carrying some of the responsibility and this fantasy is about her not having that. It makes him uncomfortable (even terrified once) but he's doing it because he loves her so, so much. (I think I'm beginning to repeat myself here.)

 

Exactly. There’s a kind of parallel here between this chapter and chapter 4: Phineas is going outside his comfort zone to give Candace what she needs, just as Ferb did for Linda.

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(As you probably noticed, I tend to write my review as I read the chapter in order to be able to give my full reaction to the story rather than miss something out, and I tend to have issues with the start of your chapters that you assuage fully as they progress.)

I appreciate the effort!

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I liked the ending, which was sweet, particularly the "but they never let go of each other". There's so much love there - from Phineas' side especially, but to some degree also from Candace.

We’ll get into that a bit more in the last chapter.

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There was all in all only one part of this chapter that I really disliked - the reference to Phineas possibly subconsciously being attracted to Isabella. Not only because I think it doesn't make much sense given Phineas' character (and even if you do take AYA into account, this happens way before Phineas would have developed feelings for her) and that he doesn't express any such emotions in the show, it is also a Phindace story (well, Phindace and Ferlinda) and having Phineas be attracted to another girl really distracts from the reading experience, in my opinion at least. They're experiencing such a loving, intimate moment - let's not spoil it by bringing in Isabella.

That bit was meant to be an amusing aside, and also to show that Phineas’ mind contains the barest beginnings of his adult sexuality (even if it will be years before his attraction for Isabella manifests itself consciously). But I see where you’re coming from.

Thanks for the review!

 

[GeorgeGlass]

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From ANON - PhineasandFerbfan on November 26, 2016

I agree affection between family members is something the show could have had more of, even if it is never entirely absent - Phineas and Candace hug a couple of times, after all, and she affectionately rubs his head during the finale. Ferb and Candace's relationship is clearly a lot less close than Phineas and Candace's is, in part because she probably finds it difficult to communicate with him and he came into their lives later, while Phineas and Candace have always had a bond no matter how strained it gets sometimes during the show.

 

Yeah, the only example of Candace/Ferb affection I can recall seeing in all 4 seasons of the show is when Candace tousle's Ferb's hair in the finale musical number of "Summer Belongs to You."

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And I imagine the affection they show for each other over the course of this dream would make it stronger than it had been before, particularly from Candace's side as Phineas is now someone whom she knows more than ever she can trust. But of course that depends on how exactly the dream ends.

That issue will definitely be addressed in the final chapter.

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I think my strong reaction to that reference to Isabella was because I've long since de-canonized Act Your Age in my mind and view the rest of the show as entirely separate from that, so any fanfic which takes place during the show and tries to link it to Act Your Age instantly takes away my enjoyment of the story.

I'm too anal not to accept AYA as canon, even though it depressed me beyond all reason.

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I can't imagine Phineas getting Isabella, of all people, on his mind while he's making love to Candace - I could imagine him getting Candace on his mind while he's making love to Isabella, but that's a different story.

Chalk it up to the randomness of the subconscious mind.

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(Speaking of making love, I did a word search of the fic and I found out that although there is a kiss or two between Ferb and Linda, the word kiss is never mentioned for Phineas and Candace. I suppose it's implicit that two people who are having sex would also kiss from time to time, but it's just a bit odd that it was never stated outright.)

Honestly, I never even thought about that. They both do so much talking during their sex scenes that there isn't much lip-availability for kissing. Obviously, with Ferb, that's much less of a problem.

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With regards to the actual chapter you posted... well, I can't really say whether Ferb wanting to make Linda pregnant is a likely or an unlikely fantasy for him. It's certainly something in line with his mature tendencies, and he does have a quirky side, so I guess it is feasible. I had been wondering what that 'Preg' tag was all about, considering that it's highly unlikely that anything that happens in the dream world would carry on into the real world.

I figured it was as plausible as any of the other fetishes we've seen in the story. Given that this story is about revealing every character's most deeply hidden fantasy, I figured that Ferb's wouldn't be anything too predictable. Plus, I've got a big ol' impregnation fetish myself.

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I liked the flash-forward. It seems like a nice compromise between actually fulfilling the pregnancy fantasy and the reality that it's only one night.

I wanted there to be more to Ferb's fantasy than just knocking Linda up, and I liked the idea that he could see himself not just fathering their child but as the father of their child, if that makes sense.

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Also, Lawrence and Vivian? I didn't really expect that one, but now that I think about it it seems logical. Although there is one thing - Linda and Ferb are in each other's dreams because they were thinking about each other before they fell asleep, and the reason for that is the mildly sexually charged encounter that they had the day before. Same with Candace and Phineas. But assuming that not everyone in Danville happened to have a semi-sexual experience with someone else during that exact day, for what reason would Lawrence Fletcher have been thinking about a woman he isn't married to?

You've never been married, have you?

Seriously, Lawrence has probably had at least the odd sexual fantasy about Vivian, and maybe she's had a few about him, too--if for no other reason than because each of them probably strikes the other as somewhat exotic.  

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I will continue to follow this story with great interest as both couples have each had their sexual fantasy, and we're in wholly new territory for what happens next.

There's just one chapter left, and it's coming soon, so stay tuned. And thanks for the review!

[GeorgeGlass]

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From ANON - renatamer on November 29, 2016

we need a followup to this hot little story... either one where they wake up in each other's arms after another night of sex-dreaming, and/or finally give in to their needs in the waking world...

and Lin dose get pregnat

Glad you enjoyed the story. I’m not planning a sequel right now, but one never knows...

[GeorgeGlass]

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From Fairy-Slayer on December 01, 2016

Chapter seven was quite touching actually, with such a sweet and complete fantasy of the strongest love. My only concern about having a dream baby together is the heartbreak of realizing she never really existed, but for the story it really was something poignant.

 

They both knew that none of it was real. It was more like a glimpse of a road not taken.

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Of course how he got her pregnant was pretty intense and sounds like it'd be really painful in real life, but their dream is a very safe place.

Exactly. It was really all about the symbolism of the act, not physiological reality.

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Also, it's nice to know that Linda doesn't begrudge Lawrence his fantasies either. One noticeable typo: "the tight channel of her vulva" (I know that you know the proper anatomy cold.)

Apparently, I do not. I have changed “vulva” to “canal.”

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The final chapter was a nice way to cool down and end on a high note. Their dream conversations were nice bittersweet "goodbyes" to the exceptional intimacy that the characters had just experienced and tied up the loose end of "What do we do after we wake up?" quite well. I was afraid I'd feel disappointed if they didn't resume their sensual, lustful, incestuous ways in real life, but they women talked it down nicely. So in total I'm only about as bummed as Phineas was, but that means being cool with it too.

I knew that some people would be disappointed by the characters’ not continuing their incestuous sexual adventures in waking life. But this story is really about the wonder of having even one chance to fulfill one's fantasies, and I think the characters all consider it a gift, not a tease.

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Seeing everyone exhausted in the morning was a nice return to reality and a little fun. It's better that they can't remember their dreams, though the hints of residual emotions was very sweet, especially the warmth Phineas and Candace felt when their hands touched. Maybe things will improve between them even without the need for sexual intimacy.

I'd like to think so.

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Also, I'm glad Ferb realized the mistake in what he could remember of his dreams.

That was all you, my friend.

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As for a surprising lack of disappointment, it was great that Doof got off scott-free on the effects, thanks to his daughter's rational propriety. I can totally understand why she was exhausted anyway, as the thought of exploring some gorgeous old Gothic mansion had my imagination running away with me just from the briefest description. (Why couldn't she have found my room instead?)

You live in a Gothic mansion?

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Thanks for creating and sharing such a terrific, passionate, and very loving story.

Thanks for all the reviews!