ffnazi.net

[Guest Aegrisomnia]

I've been a member of ffnazi.net since 2004 and began posting one of my stories in April of 2005. The second chapter contained an act of excessive and bloody violence/gore (a man's ribcage was ripped out of his chest in extreme detail) and the third chapter had an explicit sex scene in it. The next thing was in chapter ten, where there was an even longer explicit scene of sex. Moments of arousal are mentioned every two or three chapters chapters. Chapter fifteen contains a semi-explicit rape scene. Chapter sixteen is a male masturbation scene and mentions of a desired incestual relationship. Chapter seventeen contains male/male oral sex followed up with semi-explicit rape.

Now, do the people who run ffnazi.net really go out and look for stories to delete due to the level of their explicit-ness? Am I just lucky? Is it only a matter of time until they discover my little story and toss it out? I'm concerned mainly because I've read stories worse ("worse" in the sense that they're more explicit) than my own and they haven't been bothered. I like to think that my scenes are tasteful enough to where I won't have to worry about being kicked off, but I'm not sure. There's an "M" rating that one can choose to have for his story, which may contain "strong, but non-explicit adult themes, references to violence, and strong coarse language."

That was the first question. Here's the second one:

Now, I would like to point out that I firmly believe that if a person is under the age of eighteen yet exhibits a level of maturity equal to that of an eighteen year-old (which really isn't that high when you take into account all the frat boys out there; and yes, this is a generalization, but it's a true one), then they can read whatever they damn well choose. I mean, if they have their parent's consent, or maybe their parents just don't care, then what's the problem? If they really want to read R and NC-17 material and they can understand it without being too horribly corrupted, then what's the problem? I understand that younger kids will "stumble" upon a story that has explicit themes and whatnot and it's to protect their innocent minds and blah blah blah, whatever.

So, my point is (yes, there's actually a point somewhere in here) this: is it fair to suppress those who write adult themed stories just for the sake of those who are supposed to read them and probably don't anyways? In the case that someone answers with the predictable, "That's what AFF.net is for.", then I would like to point out that I once knew a couple of people who are legally underage to view adult material, yet they wrote a collaboration and put it on here. They took it down not long before AFF was fixed up due to personal issues with the story, but they were both very mature and dealt with the issues of sex and violence with as much intelligence as any of us. Is it fair to squish them for being legally underage? I mean, that's like throwing all the trashy romance novels out of a bookstore or library because young children wander in and might pick one up.

Shouldn't a person's level of maturity be taken into account here? I mean, it's not like this site doesn't give fair warning that most of it's content is sexually explicit, filled with violence, and basically tolerates everything on the face of the planet. Can parents really sue this site if there are so many warnings? I mean, I just don't see what the big deal is.

((I would also like to mention that the automatic "ffnazi.net" thing is really kind of irritating; like I said above, I've never had an issue with it. Is there anyway to turn this off or is it embedded in the system? *sighs* I can tell that I'm going to become known here for causing controversy. Ah well, I live to serve.))

[Guest Agaib]

I've never really posted on ffnazi.net. I used to go there for naughty stories before I discovered there was a version dedicated to them. *shrugs* I suppose you are lucky.

[Guest Aegrisomnia]

I prefer to post stories on FF.net just because it's so much easier; I don't care too much for html, and I'm too lazy to learn how to save it in that format, so I have to do it manually. Actually, I did try to save it once, but this box popped up that sais something along the lines of, "The something (probably meaning italics, bolds, and underlines) of your document will be lost of you save it in this format."

[Guest Agaib]

Hmm... I cant say I've ever found uploading very difficult at all on AFF. Type it up in word, save it as a web page, upload. *shrugs* Seems all very simple...

I suppose it could be much more complicated if one doesnt have Microsoft Word.

I know ffnazi.net has gotten lots of bad PR (deserved or undeserved) over getting strict rules on the content of stories. But as understand it, most of the stories that are removed is when someone reports it, and no one reports it most of the time unless youve got a few people with an unfriendly attitude to you or your work.

[Guest Acita]

I wrote my first homoerotic piece when I was 16 years old. At that point I was having intercourse with another female (Acitawasateenageslut), so saw absolutely no problem with writing about sex. Aside from that, my hormonal brother always had porn stashed within my reach, and when that coincides with hippie parents the concept of free love wasn't such a taboo topic in my household as apposed to most of America's.

I actually adore FFNet when it's actually online. Just have a problem with their upload system and coming down on mature stories, but oh, well. I got over it.

[Guest Aegrisomnia]

See, that's where I think I'm alright, cause everyone who reads my story loves it. I haven't gotten one piece of negative feedback, and that makes me feel awesome! Especially since my story needs a TON of editing. I don't think I'd get reported, but you never know. Has anyone ever had a problem with getting their erotic stories rejected from a certain website?

[Guest DarkAvenger]

There is a very good reason why people under the age of 18 are not allowed on our site. And here is the reason why.

If you had taken the time to research our reasoning, you would understand that we are legally required by the United States of America to do our best to keep minors off of our site. The laws state no one under the age of 18 is allowed to view/read/etc any material that is "adult" in content. Administration of any site containing adult material that freely allows minors to view their work are fined thousands of dollars, preseneted with possible jail time, and must shut their site down.

(Due diligence is required on the behalf of anyone owning a website with "explicit" (meaning adult) content of any kind; writing/artwork/actual photos/etc.) By stating that minors are not allowed, forcing everyone to sign the TOS that clearly states you must be 18 or over (a form of a LEGAL document, in case you did not know), and by actively finding and removing minors, we are displaying due diligence.

Thank you for you time in reading our reasoning behind why we cannot simply just allow minors to stay. If you have a huge will to allow all minors access to such things, please, take it up in the form of a lawsuit against the laws that are in place with the Federal Government.

[Guest Aegrisomnia]

Well, then shouldn't the same law apply to a library or a bookstore? After all, they openly display books that an underage person could easily get a hold of. I can walk into any bookstore in my state and pick up a copy of the Kama Sutra and browse through it. I can go to any library and check out a dozen smutty romances. Does this law apply only to websites? Does it apply to all websites?

If so, then maybe half of the internet should be shut down, because I see just as much nudity (sex, violence, gore, etc.) on deviantArt, y!Gallery, Fanart-central, as well as on several RPGs.

[Guest Rani]

I've been a member of ffnazi.net since 2004 and began posting one of my stories in April of 2005. The second chapter contained an act of excessive and bloody violence/gore (a man's ribcage was ripped out of his chest in extreme detail) and the third chapter had an explicit sex scene in it. The next thing was in chapter ten, where there was an even longer explicit scene of sex. Moments of arousal are mentioned every two or three chapters chapters. Chapter fifteen contains a semi-explicit rape scene. Chapter sixteen is a male masturbation scene and mentions of a desired incestual relationship. Chapter seventeen contains male/male oral sex followed up with semi-explicit rape.

Now, do the people who run ffnazi.net really go out and look for stories to delete due to the level of their explicit-ness? Am I just lucky? Is it only a matter of time until they discover my little story and toss it out? I'm concerned mainly because I've read stories worse ("worse" in the sense that they're more explicit) than my own and they haven't been bothered. I like to think that my scenes are tasteful enough to where I won't have to worry about being kicked off, but I'm not sure. There's an "M" rating that one can choose to have for his story, which may contain "strong, but non-explicit adult themes, references to violence, and strong coarse language."

Let me be one to say, you're not the only one. Around about June or July 2005, I posted my more explicit Mighty Morphin Power Rangers stories(An Experiment In Love, Daydreaming, and Lovin' In Detention) under the Mature Section over there, with the appropriate warnings and such. Not only did those stories get yanked, but my entire account got shut down!

Of course, I do some investigating, and I've found stuff under the Mature section to be about as explicit, if not more explicit than my stories, and no one even bats an eye! And the virtual straw that broke the camels back? This one story, that's about as explicit as mine with the sex scenes in it, that author had the gall to list under the MAIN section, with a Teen Rating!

So, I send tons of e-mails and Report Abuse complaints to the admins or whoever runs the site, but NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE! Those stories are still there. I don't get it, I feel like I'm being singled out while others get nothing it seems.

Then later, I post this one other MMPR fic I wrote, called Blue Rage, where Billy's girlfriend gets sexually assualted by a known bully and his friend. I post it in the main section with a Teen rating to be on the safe side, but in it I post warnings saying that if the topic is bothersome to you, DO NOT READ! I swear, some illiterate genetic fuck-up ignores the warnings, and reads it anyway. But then they decide to complain. Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, you read it, and you have no room to bitch if you didn't heed the warning. Next thing I know, I get an e-mail, saying the story was yanked, because it was to graphic for the rating it was in. Good God, do I have to draw a diagram of my warnings? I then re-posted it in the Mature Section, seeing as I obviously broke someones fragile little mind. Nothing's happened. Yet.

Sorry about the rant, but the point is, you're not the only one who's noticed that kind of thing happening.

[Guest Aegrisomnia]

You and I could become very good friends, I can tell ^^. Sorry to hear that your story has been yanked. I don't understand why I haven't been reported yet, other than the fact that no one cares about He-man anymore *tear*. Personally, I try not to do what I wouldn't want done to me. If I don't want a flame, I don't flame people (other than the fact that it's retarded and immature). If I really want people to review, I'm courteous and review first. If I don't want my story pulled, dammit, then I don't file complaints against other stories.

I really feel for you. Habe you ever tried to repost your Power Rangers fic on FF?

[Guest Chilli]

That was the first question. Here's the second one:

Now, I would like to point out that I firmly believe that if a person is under the age of eighteen yet exhibits a level of maturity equal to that of an eighteen year-old (which really isn't that high when you take into account all the frat boys out there; and yes, this is a generalization, but it's a true one), then they can read whatever they damn well choose. I mean, if they have their parent's consent, or maybe their parents just don't care, then what's the problem? If they really want to read R and NC-17 material and they can understand it without being too horribly corrupted, then what's the problem? I understand that younger kids will "stumble" upon a story that has explicit themes and whatnot and it's to protect their innocent minds and blah blah blah, whatever.

So, my point is (yes, there's actually a point somewhere in here) this: is it fair to suppress those who write adult themed stories just for the sake of those who are supposed to read them and probably don't anyways? In the case that someone answers with the predictable, "That's what AFF.net is for.", then I would like to point out that I once knew a couple of people who are legally underage to view adult material, yet they wrote a collaboration and put it on here. They took it down not long before AFF was fixed up due to personal issues with the story, but they were both very mature and dealt with the issues of sex and violence with as much intelligence as any of us. Is it fair to squish them for being legally underage? I mean, that's like throwing all the trashy romance novels out of a bookstore or library because young children wander in and might pick one up.

Shouldn't a person's level of maturity be taken into account here? I mean, it's not like this site doesn't give fair warning that most of it's content is sexually explicit, filled with violence, and basically tolerates everything on the face of the planet. Can parents really sue this site if there are so many warnings? I mean, I just don't see what the big deal is.

What you seem to be doing is confusing what people (or sites) are requried by LAW to adher to as opposed to a individual personal maturity level.

Let's set aside the issue of whether someone under the age of 18 is 'mature' or not. Contemplete the legality of the matter because that's is what the real issue is.

Is it LEGAL for them to do so in the United States?

And the answer is NO.

The penalties for knowingly allowing someone not of age to view adult content or pornography carries a very stiff penality that may include jail time and/or perhaps a fine exceeding $10,000. And let's not forget lawyer fees. Someone will have to represent the owner(s) of the site.

Now I don't know about anyone here, but I generally don't have $10,000+ just laying around.

Let's bring back the supposed underager because this comes back to them.

Is the person 'mature' enough to understand such risk that their presence will invoke for the owner of the 'adult' website? If they are 'mature' enough to understand, then the MATURE thing to do would be to remove themselves from the site until they are of age to LEGALLY enjoy such sites.

A mature person contemplates whether their actions will have negative ramifications upon others and acts accordingly. If their actions have the potential to cause harm or impact negatively on someone or something else, then a MATURE individual will chose to abstain from such behavior.

A child, on the other hand, does not.

[Guest Chilli]

Well, then shouldn't the same law apply to a library or a bookstore? After all, they openly display books that an underage person could easily get a hold of. I can walk into any bookstore in my state and pick up a copy of the Kama Sutra and browse through it. I can go to any library and check out a dozen smutty romances. Does this law apply only to websites? Does it apply to all websites?

If so, then maybe half of the internet should be shut down, because I see just as much nudity (sex, violence, gore, etc.) on deviantArt, y!Gallery, Fanart-central, as well as on several RPGs.

Let's go with your theory about the library having sexually explicit material just laying around. Imagine what would happen if a 12 yr tried to check out such a book, for informational purposes only, of course.

Somehow I don't think she would make it out the door with that book in her hand.

What you seem to be misunderstanding is the level of legal problems this site would be in if a known underager were to be found viewing sexually explicit material on this site.

This is not the site trying to be abitrary, but it is a site trying, as best as it can to remain within the confines of the LAW. If other sites choose not to follow the law, then that's their problem.

As I said before, for those individuals that are underage and believe they are sufficiently mature to view and handle adult situations, then more power to them.

However, if they were as mature as they would like to believe, then they would not put their own selfish needs above others who MEET the requirements of this site.

[Guest Aegrisomnia]

Let it be known that I have been writing sexually explicit stories since I was thirteen. Of course, I'd never post any on here because they all reeked of grammar issues and inferiority problems, but that's a different story (literally). I have also checked out/bought trashy romance novels when I was fifteen. Of course, I live in the state of Florida so that doesn't account for much.

Now, I know of one instance in which there was a party for a bunch of highschoolers who were all under the drinking age of 21, yet they were drinking. The police were called and came by, but the issue was unaddressed after the father of the kid throwing the party came out and explained that he was keeping an eye on the kids, wouldn't let them get drunk, and assured the police that all of them had rides home where they wouldn't have to drive home.

Now, I'm not saying that laws should be willfully broken, but I am saying that they can be twisted. For instance, how does an underage person buy books like that? They simply ask a "legal" friend to purchase them in their place. It's the same everywhere. I have yet to walk into a library where books were searched before being checked out.

Your use of a twelve year-old checking out a "bad book" at the library is unrealistic in the sense that most twelve year-olds aren't even interested in boys enough to want to read about sex. In other cases their parents are usually with them and wouldn't let them check the books out, unless they didn't care. Take into account that most twelve year-olds hate to read, no matter what the material is.

This goes without saying that there are twelve year-olds who are sluts (I know one >.<) and sleep around. These specimens can probably just get their parents to rent the books for them. It's quite obvious that the parents wouldn't care, especially if their child was already sleeping around and they were aware of it yet do nothing to stop it.

As for "their own selfish needs".........well, that's an entirely unfair accusation. Some underagers, like a friend that I have already mentioned (I think), read only for their enjoyment (i.e. liking the fandom, pairing, story line, etc.). I, for one, am totally placated if I can get a hold of a story with a good plot, interesting characters and dialogue, and some action. It doesn't necessarily have to have sex in it, and if it does the scenes don't have to be explicit.

It seems to me that you're saying that underagers ruin everyone else's time (another bad call, seeing as how half the time no one knows who's underage and who's not; kids aren't that stupid anymore and they know better than to give away their real age) just by reading stories that they "legally" aren't supposed to.

Maturity is a question of whether or not someone should read these stories. Take into account someone who is mentally challenged: a man can physically be thirty years-old, yet mentally he is fifteen. If he stumbles across this site and goes in because he knows that he's legal yet is traumatized by what he finds..........well, what then?

((Man, I haven't had this much fun debating in ages! <3))

[Guest Big Samurai]

I have no issues with FFN as a web site. It is a one-stop shop for all non-adult fanfic, and I am (more or less) active there in several fandoms. I do have issues with the users, who are, for the most part, below the age of eighteen and prone to not obeying the rules. That is why there are so many rules, and why they are enforced to what seems to be a high degree: People, especially the kiddie-poos, consistently raise Hell. I doubt the NC-17 ban -- the one that resulted in AFF -- would have happened at all if a bunch of users did not abuse the right to post NC-17 'fic by posting the most gratuitous, offensive 'fic possible. (Gorilla rape! Hamtaro rape! Whose Line Is It Anyway? rape! Rape, rape, rape! Kink or no kink, it was out of control.) The same is true for the MST ban, the celebrity 'fic ban, etc.

As for mental maturity and the law, what Dark Avenger says is accurate. The law (for once!) is there to protect us. Moreover, noting that a few people act more mature than their age can very easily be a slippery slope. How many trollish teenyboppers defend themselves by saying "I'm more mature than my age"? Nope, that does not fly, even if it is true in a few cases. The foot must come down. Sometimes, you have to squash a flower in order to squash the bugs around it.

[Guest Chilli]

Of course laws can be twisted, or downright ignored. Witness how many criminals get off scott free!

HOWEVER, if this site wants to obey the lawful order of the US Government, then it has a right and duty to it's members to try its level best to ensure that they do everything in their power to comply with such order/law as law abiding citizens of the United States.

To me, I see a certain level of immaturity when underagers willingly endanger others because they want to read 'adult' fanficition.

To me, that's selfish.

When people are trying their best to obey the laws of the land, then another person comes along and deliberately goes about trying to get that other person into trouble (unknowingly breaking the law) then that's just evil.

It's not the underager that will face jail time and/or possibly pay a huge frickin' fine! They are not the ones that will get sued by mom and dad for corrupting their precious innocent child's eyes and mind with 'filth'.

What you are saying is that if a 16-17 yr old is sufficiently 'mature' and have their parents permission that it should be okay. But see, the sad fact is, the government is not going to go and politely knock on the parent's door and ask if they had given their child permission to view sexually explicit material on such-and-such website.

They don't care if the parent gave the child permission. All that matters to them is the fact that said UNDERAGE CHILD was on an adultwebsite and was viewing sexually explicit adult material. They don't give a rat's ass whether the owners of the site knew or did not know the child was there.

So, to me it's selfish if a supposedly 'mature' 16-17 year is on this site.

That supposedly 'mature' 16-17 is effectively conspiring to have either the owner of the site jailed and/or to pay a huge fine.

And what will this underager do after the site is shut down? Merely go on their way to destroy another adult site...because after all, they are 'mature' enough to read it and by God, no one is going to stop them from reading.

As for that parent in Florida that you referenced, perhaps the rules down there are different, however, I know in my state, that adult would have 1) been jailed for serving minors alcohol 2) had an $1,000 (or more fine) 3) possibly had his children taken away by Social Services because he is an unfit parent.

[Guest ChibiShiva]

I was raised this way: If something's not for you yet, it's NOT for you. And I understood it. I saw nice fics on ff.net when I was 16 and I KNEW I had to wait until I was 17 to read it because it was written NC-17. The problem is... not everyone cares for that. Myself, I barely care anymore... I wrote about gay romances when I was 11. Of course it didn't deal with actual sex, but it still was gay romance, while I never had sex ed until I was 13 or 14 (back then, I think they were supposed to start in 6th grade, but I went to a Catholic school, go figure).

My parents were never around me really. They didn't care what I watched on TV, they never were interested my games or my websites, and other hobbies in general. I think they took the fact that I was "safe" home for granted (because when I left home they became over-protective; my mother still is, and I'm 21, which is 3 years over legal age in Quebec).

And yet, I turned out alright (I guess!). Because I KNEW and REALIZED there would be consequences to my acts, and I'm not talking about physical punishment. If something wasn't meant for me, so be it, I'll wait.

Maybe kids need to be taught that, and understand that there are consequences... but then again, some just don't give a fuck. And it's those that don't give a fuck that make others look bad, IMHO. Because some are indeed more mature than others.

[Guest Aegrisomnia]

Hence why I live in Florida.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say that 16-17 year-olds are "effectively conspiring to have either the owner of the site jailed and/or to pay a huge fine." That's not true. I've already said that my friends on this site only useit to read what they want. If they don't like a certain stroy then they leave it alone. They don't flame/comment either way. None of them are out looking for toruble and in fact keep a very low profile.

Now maybe I'm just the n00b, but I've never heard of an instance where some kid purposely tried to get this site kicked off the internet (if you were just making a metaphor or something, then I apologize for being thick). I mean, don't all the warnings account for something? I mean, right on the front page it says that this site contains adult material! It even gives the option to leave if you're underaged.

If some dumb kid willingly continues on after reading the warning (yes, assuming that they did read the warning) then it's their own fault if their little eyes are blinded. Why should this site be punished? It has warnings. It's like my house; I have the classic "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT" sign out front in nice big, bold, red letters. You can't miss it even if you tried. So if some idiot goes ahead and trespasses and I shoot him, it's not like I can be fined or jailed or anything. I put up significant warning. Isn't it the same for websites, or is AFF just a victim to double-standards?

[StoryJunkie]

I think its natural for someone who is maturing sexually to have a healthy curiousity about sex and go to sexually explicit material for information rather than to their parents.

Nobody can be the voice of your conscience except for you. You have to police yourself. You are growing and learning, and expressing yourself in a way that is not the way of a child and it can be a confusing and restricting time for you.

We all had to go through that torture. It's how we learn self-control. If this site is shut down because of under-age users, it would be sad for everyone all around.

There are good arguements to both sides of the equation, but respect for the person making this site available is paramount.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[Guest Aegrisomnia]

You know something, you're right............aaaaaaaand I have no clue what to say when faced with something like that. Hmmm, yes I can't shut up until something of this nature comes along. Alright, so I guess I have what I was looking for: the law sucks ass, but then it always has. This site gets in trouble due to little kids finding their way onto this site and ignoring its warnings. Everyone thinks that little kids should be forcibly removed. Florida works differently than other states. I should be grateful that my story hasn't been pulled on FF. Right, okay. I'm done now. Thanks for being good sports and putting up with me

[Guest Melody Fate]

Is it fair to squish them for being legally underage? I mean, that's like throwing all the trashy romance novels out of a bookstore or library because young children wander in and might pick one up.

Shouldn't a person's level of maturity be taken into account here? I mean, it's not like this site doesn't give fair warning that most of it's content is sexually explicit, filled with violence, and basically tolerates everything on the face of the planet. Can parents really sue this site if there are so many warnings? I mean, I just don't see what the big deal is.

The "Big deal" is that it's illegal for children under the age of 18 to read the stories on this site. It isn't a little rule AFF came up with for the hell of it, it's the freakin' law.

Yes, if a parent says it's okay for their kid to read porn, then the parents can jolly well come here themselves, save stories or print them out and give them to the kids to read.

In the meantime, to blame AFF for enforcing laws that could get this place shut down is completely not fair.

That would be like blaming the waitress for not serving the 16 year old kid a drink when his/her parents are there and say it's all right. That's fine and good, but it's the waitress who will be arrested if the law catching her serving alcohol to a minor.

[Guest Aegrisomnia]

It just seems to me like AFF is the only website with explicit content that even adheres to that law anymore. What about debiantArt and y!gallery? If you look for it, there's nudity and "porn" all over. A person only has to lie to get past the age restrictions. If that happens, then who's going to find them out?

[Guest Agaib]

I have a lot of respect for the people who put time and money into keeping this site up. I also think that a lot o of laws in the United States need to be reformed. But until these laws are changed (if ever) I would never blame AFF for trying to keep out of legal trouble.

[Guest Melody Fate]

It just seems to me like AFF is the only website with explicit content that even adheres to that law anymore. What about debiantArt and y!gallery? If you look for it, there's nudity and "porn" all over. A person only has to lie to get past the age restrictions. If that happens, then who's going to find them out?

So? Just because other sites turn a blind eye doesn't make it any less illegal and if too many sites ignore it and too many parents find out? You might see age verification becoming a lot tougher.

Also, I'm sure reading is hard to enforce. How does AFF stop anyone who's under age from reading? They really can't, unless they want to go with a closed system requiring sign up and age verification before accessing the site. If the site gets in enough trouble, they might have to resort to doing that.

It also seems that some people who are underage are stupid about it. I've seen people leave signed reviews that flatly talk about how they're under 18. If you're going to be that stupid, you deserve to be caught. Also, if you're going to admit it, you force AFF to play their hand and kick you off, because if they don't, they're breaking the law deliberately.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if we have underage people on AFF who no one even suspects writing stories.

But, either way, just because a site does or doesn't enforce it doesn't make it any less illegal. The law says you have to be 18 in order to read "Adult" material. It's a black and white issue there and AFF aren't the "Bad guys" for enforcing it.

Again, the waitress analogy.. a waitress can decide not to card someone who doesn't look old enough to drink, or belive their friends/parents/whoever that say, "Yea, he/she is over 21!" but again, if the authorities come in and this person can't produce an ID, that friend or parent won't be arrested, it will be the person drinking and the waitress.

[polywolly]

I agree with all those raising the flag of “respect the rules and peace shall rule”. I post on several archives…AFF, FF.net and Ashwinder. In order to remain under the radar at FF.net I edit the most explicit scenes of the stories. Along with the a/n I post a warning, of sorts, that welcomes requests for the unedited chapters. The unedited versions are not terribly salacious, but as a way to avoid getting censored or banned, I’ve removed or tweaked certain…interactions…to make them less graphic. I post the full versions on AFF, and now, Ashwinder. I’ve encountered no trouble so far with the system and I am less paranoid for it.

One might say that I am placing an open invitation for the underage readers to request the more lascivious versions of the story. In all honesty, it has been rather easy to weed out those emails. The way a person writes an email speaks to their age and maturity level. I have only received one request that I refused because the person was either very young or very uneducated. Either way, I wasn’t taking the chance. Besides that, if a mature 16 or 17-year-old wanted to read them, I wouldn’t be against it.

The moral of the story? Well, the rules ARE a pain in the ass. However, they are there for a reason. If they weren’t, it wouldn’t be any fun to break them.

[Guest DarkAvenger]

Well, then shouldn't the same law apply to a library or a bookstore? After all, they openly display books that an underage person could easily get a hold of. I can walk into any bookstore in my state and pick up a copy of the Kama Sutra and browse through it. I can go to any library and check out a dozen smutty romances. Does this law apply only to websites? Does it apply to all websites?

If so, then maybe half of the internet should be shut down, because I see just as much nudity (sex, violence, gore, etc.) on deviantArt, y!Gallery, Fanart-central, as well as on several RPGs.

There is a separate law that applies to all libraries and schools.

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/cipa.html

Not only that, but all bookstores are supposed to keep kids away from the "self help" sections of their bookstores, hence why most of them are in a section directly behind a counter with an employee stationed at them.

The law applies to all websites run off of servers that are based within the United States of America.

Deviant art does not allow "adult" material, if it's on there, it's in violation of the TOS of their site as well. They remove artwork of that kind of nature all the time, though it seems they do allow "tasteful" nude photography, meaning no hands on/around genitals and not aroused.

y!Gallery also enforces an "over 18 only" rule. The stuff that can be seen without that membership is non-adult in nature. If you can see the adult content without signing up and agreeing that you are most definately 18 year of age, then someone is in violation of their TOS with the filter settings as well.

RPG's are the property and responsibility of the person running them. If the person running them is allowing minors to read the RPG posts or participate in them, they could potentially be reported and a lawsuit slapped on them by someone. I myself ran one for quite some time that contained adult content and I assure you, I made certain the members were 18 or over; it's not that hard.

I wouldn't know about Fanart-central as I am not a member there, but I hope I've covered all the basis with the other sites...