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her character arc could be hiccup saving her a few times, and instead of giving up good like he suggests, snow could just get smarter about it and better at it. she could be the one that asks him the difference between him and a hero
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it’s a nickname from what i know. she gets her name from her ‘skin white as snow’
neat fairy-tail fact, snow white is so pure-hearted it gives her healing powers. eearly versions of the myth have the queen mutilating her and the wonds and scars healing due to her inner good.
she could be ‘good samaritan’ figure hiccup keeps running into, which kind of fits what we have. a kind of non-violent anti-overlord and good influence.
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and they ARE meddlers
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them being involved earlier and independent of the kingdoms mean they could have more interesting relationships. it was partly why is suggested the ariel and aurora backstory.
it’s an idea i was considering suggesting before i knew you considered astrid the only other candidate.
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1 minute ago, Jwsponky said:
I have not come up with a plan for her, for similar reasons as to Aurora's initial exclusion...
I think i could think of something. probably something that wouldn’t give her a kingdom to add to the list.
weird random idea, but what if the queens each chose a mistress to train as a ‘secondary wife’?
aurora for maleficent
ariel for ursula
probably zarina for mim
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also, i think toothless’s dragon form would get bigger with her ‘enhancement’, as well as maybe faster and stronger fire
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my suggested scenario was that it was a desperation move, and they didn’t realise what it would involve until it came to it. also their mother would probably be there, and that was not part of their plan.
the wedding night would be awkward and adorable.
although one character thing could be anna decided to just focus on how glad she was to have her sister back and got too into it. or elsa’s finally having human warmth.
forgot to mention, hiccup is dressed as kristoph for that chapter due to the intense cold. and talks to toothless like kristoph does to sven. anna reacts similarly because toothless refuses to change back to mess with her.
do we have a plan for snow white yet? or is she not in this?
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2 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:
I admit when I said Viking 'girls' I should have typed 'mistresses' as it had been they I had referred to, and yes Astrid was the only other candidate I had really considered for the title of 'First Mistress', though I had toyed with the idea of Hiccup awkwardly trying to distance himself from the women's attempt at forming a hierarchy, saying something along the lines of 'you're each highest ranked in the are I asked you to keep an eye on...'
Hey, what if toothless is mistress queen of the monsters, and Astrid is Mistress queen of the disney girls? responsible for easing them into the situation and does most of the interaction/problem solving for them.
I’d toyed with the idea of making the sorceresses ‘queens; as well, but i dunno. maybe royal council.
3 minutes ago, Jwsponky said:This would work, and I just remembered another layer of awkwardness for the whole thing, one of the twists I was planning to include from the 'normal' HTTYD story I've partly written was that Heather and (genderbent) Dagur were Hiccups twin older sisters which were separated from the family when Hiccup was a baby, and Hiccup might not realise that until Valka meets and recognizes them, after Hiccup had slept with them, possibly multiple times..
That could be hilarious/touching if valka comforts them over it. or Valka trying to break the news to him and he realises what’s happened before she can. hiccup is just over it.
after he explains his (don’t see them as sisters) thing: “that helps… this would be awkward if you were someone we saw as family”
“it really was”
“...was?”
for further awkwardness, imagine how anna and elsa feel sharing a husband. this isn’t a problem, this helps flesh out the girls , give opportunities for interaction, and make the story more interesting.
also, i think if anna gets magic, she should mostly use it to enhance her physicality. aka fire armour and fire punch
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actually, if we do the valka thing, the next sex scene could be the four mothers revealing the slept with him in disguise to help ease things over and draggin him and valka into an orgy. Iduna could get swept up in it to her suprise, and that awakens her power and memories.
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hmm…. that could be part of the resolution. though we don;t eant to spread it too much. probably just t the vikings. Maleficent could insist she;s not doing another country-wide spell or something. the intermitant year could be them learning their new bodies. how about just the dragon ‘honour guard’ and the viking mistresses. hiccup could call it a test run, and mention he plans to slowly introduce the gene into the greater public.
It would definitely switch things to dragon rangers rather than dragon hunters.
also, astrid finding out hiccup has a wife could be interesting, as could the series of events that lead to second queen astrid (would you consider her a candidate for that?)
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that part came from a mental image or usrsula training ariel or her first time with hiccup, because of the favour-trade mentioned before. and to blow of some serious steam
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this was also part of the ‘mini harem’ logic. as his irst queen toothless is mistress above mistress to all dragons and monster-girls, including valka. though she likes her demidragon mother in law.
part of the logic is that as a dragon she has a hoarding instinct, which she uses on mistresses. starting the trend. she pushed girls hiccups way while ‘absent’ and didn;t mind sharing once she came back.
as queen it’s her responsibility to ‘train’ the girls to seduce hiccup. maybe
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it was both
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is this better than the last toothless idea is what i’m asking
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plus, part of the reason was that the phrase ‘valka the vast’ got stuck in my head and i remembered the breastplate gag from the first movie, then i thought, can i top that?
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sorry to be a broken record, but just valka or the toothless bit too?
need to understand if i’m going to help
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part of my idea is that toothless is completely human for most of hiccup’s childhood. hear me out.
since the other shape-shifters are at least some kind of magic, and we have a dragon transformation specialist already. Maleficent.
she turned the drain he rescued at an extremely young age into a completely human ‘friend’ for him, and while she was upset at being grounded at first, she does warm up to being human and falls in love with hiccup even quicker (it’s mutual) this is partially inspired by haku in spirited away, and kelda being the overlord’s friend childhood friend in number 2, as was the first toothless. should have mentioned that.
She’s there when he meets astrid, and gets grumpy when she mentions dragons stealing her fiance. and also curious what a fiance is.
She has no name, so he names her, as i mentioned last time, and the reason she turns back into a dragon for his adventure is because maleficent lifted the spell so that he would have protection on his journey, someone she knew would be utterly loyal and willing to do anything, even beyond the minions. she promised that if she brought him back alive, she’d give toothless the ability to turn human whenever she wants, but toothless is worried he’ll think she’s abandoned him, so maleficent lets her have one last night with him to ease the pain. She’s his first.
Hiccup is brokenhearted at the disappearance anyway, of his first girlfriend and goes into rebound mode a bit, hence the other mistresses. he does bond with the dragon though, and muses it;s almost sentient. at the end of the first game, when she gets her powers back, maleficent fullfills her promise and grants the ability to toothless (as well as the ability to turn into a half-and-half dragon girl), who apologises to hiccup, but he’s just overjoyed to see her again and at the revelation that she never left his side. Hiccup kisses her hard and rushes her to the bedroom t make up or lost time, reassuring her he doesn’t care in the least she’s a dragon. maybe he asks her to marry him, making him his first wife
not the last, but not just a mistress.
this way, he can keep the war beasts idea until long after he meets the hunters. and can work with them without feeling too bad at first, but still have a well-built relationship with toothless.
Later, when valka is having her crisis, she talks to maleficent and Idunn. They can both tell she wants to keep going with hiccup, and hiccup confessed his feeling weird over not feeing weird (i thought that made a lot of sense by the way. good writing) to them, so while idunn tries to smooth it over, maleficent gives her a spell to help ‘take what’s hers’. She turns her into an amazonian dragon-woman with a massive hourglass figure, ‘valka the vast’ and invite hiccup over to settle the issue. valka prefers to stay this way, and invites him to bring toothless and astrid next time
maleficent later spreads the spell to all of hiccup’s dragon kingdoms via toothless and valka. or earlier, for toothless’s dragon followers
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with valka, that works, but can i suggest a twist? you have her a jotaan’s prisoner like i suggested (he hasn;t seen her so he doesn;t know it’s his mother. or maybe he just hates her) and she meets hiccup bfore the viking conflict, so when she comes to attack the dragon bludvist, she recognises him and stops. Then they fight alongside each other. that way, it makes more sense that she’d ‘seek comfort’ from him as he’s something of an old friend, and someone she respects, not just a random messenger.
so my idea of his meeting with jotaan is that it should happen in the prolouge, but AFTER he met hiccup. I think in this version, hiccup should grow up with toothless, with her being his only friend and someone he trusts. It’ll let you have a lot of character growth and be a good humanising factor, which is something a lot of these stories can lack. He’s suspicious of Jotaan at first, since toothless doesn;t like him and he doesn’t like the way he looks at toothless. Toothless is angry at irst (for what he assumes are humanitarian resons) but is much more impressed with him when he releases valka and she steals the dragons. or, possibly, he sneaks toothless the key and distracts jotaan so she can do it, and she tells valka what he did.
i also came up with another idea for the ‘dragon women’ . want to hear it? it ties into toothless, maleficent and valka. it might explain what i’m suggesting with toothless -
Sorry if i misread it.
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Give me a minute, i have an idea jow this could tie into toothless.
What did you think of valka? I mostly wrote this because she was on the list and assumed she wad one of those mistresses. It's okay if you don't want to. It's not my thing, i was trying to minimize the awkwardness of such a thing
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I think she and maleficent would be the better mothers (you’l understand when you see maleficent), and having a non-magic (at first) mother would be a well-hidden good influence on him)
actually mal probably gave her the position after she showed up because she didn;t trust the others to be capable of the keeping-him-alive bits mothering.
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you know i just realised, in my mental image amnesiac idunna is jester.
the one hiccup practises spells ON, or does the fetch-and-carrying for four high and mighty queens.
Hiccup always apologises and is clearly uncomfortable when they make him do it, but she brushes him odd and thanks her. it’s something i can see the sorceresses doing.
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which reminds me, when were you thinking he would meet the dragon traders?
I thought it was in the first game. which was part of my framing for the toothless thing.
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If astrid and toothless become hiccup’s queens, she’s their visir and first mistress
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also, idea, she’s grimhilde’s estranged daughter, kept avile all these years by her powerful white magic which her heart produces. she show up to save him when he needs it, like when he’s caught as a slave, and slips away.