[Adopt a Kink Meme?]

Hi all!

The Disney Kink Meme over on Dreamwidth has been without an admin since the old one stepped down, so I thought I’d see if anyone else here was possibly interested in taking it over.

[Excuse me while I gush a bit]

Anytime, guys! I like to give credit where credit is due, and you definitely deserve it! Keep up the good work.

@CloverReef Yeah, when it comes to a majority of other forums out there (writing ones or not), a friend of mine’s was saying, “You end up needing escapism to get away from your escapism.”

 

 

[Excuse me while I gush a bit]

Can I just say it's really nice to have a forum and a writing forum especially where the atmosphere is generally pretty comfortable as well as actually helpful? Like I feel perfectly fine asking staff or other posters a question or for advice, because I’d actually get legit answers with no drama attached. I've been on plenty of forums before, and this is one of the very few that I feel like I'm going to be sticking with. For some reason I've noticed that people who are open about writing adult material come off as much less high-strung then people who don't (or who loudly proclaim to be against it).

TL;DR: Just wanted to show my appreciation to AFF’s forums for being a non-toxic place (if it is, then it’s very well-hidden, lol). I don’t see that very often.

[Flames]

Wait, that happens to you too? But… I always thought it was my niece taking them – OMG. He lives.

Seriously thanks, I needed that laugh. XD Sonic fans appear to have this weird tendency to carry on like these characters actually exist.I remember an acquaintance who got an IC “review” from “Sonic” himself slamming a one-shot she’d written.

[Flames]

If I’d realized this thread was here, I would’ve saved the flame I got at Fanfiction.net before deleting it. My apologies. But yeah, it was a flame on my Sonic The Hedgehog fic (he also trashed my other fic which was the precursor to this story) from an anonymous individual calling themselves “AntoineHero.”

Now, I have no issue with negative reviews or harsh criticism. One reader pointed out an issue with my two leads, which I appreciated, someone else told me that the French I had one of them using in the same story was incorrect, and there have been times where I’ve found mistakes in my stories and felt disappointed that no one apparently wanted to alert me to them. But this “review” crossed the line into malicious territory I feel, hence why it was deleted. While some flames are funny due to being so silly or whatnot, I couldn't laugh at this one.

Not just that, but a lot of their points were just plain incorrect/absurd.

- AntoineHero saying that canon (the Archie Sonic comic) handled the bad blood between two canon protagonists deal so much better than my story does. That’s your opinion. I went with an AU setting in the first place because I dislike the Archie comics and how they handled characterization in general, especially that of the aforementioned two characters. My author’s note in the first fic bluntly pointed out it was going to be an AU. I’m not going to start liking some comic book just because you called me names.

- AntoineHero hated my OC, who he complained “scolded Sonic like he was his mother.” Uh, if someone is constantly shitting on a friend of mine’s then yes, me and that person are going to have issues. I think most adults would. And yes, the OC is a young adult while the canons are all teens. If you think the OC’s sticking up for his friend is the equivalent of his acting like a bossy mom, then we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree there.

- To continue on with that, according to this person, I am a nerd who wrote a Gary Stu power fantasy partly because the MC gets superpowers. Okay one: he was literally drained of those powers towards the end. Two, they altered his behavior and made him act like a douchebag who fought with my OC. It was all part of a story arc the MC (a person who felt like he wasn’t special) went through to understand what it was like to have power and use it wisely. Oh, and the MC’s super-hearing? Is a very passive ability that was mentioned as something he’d always had and which caused him a ton of problems. Maybe you would’ve known all this if you had actually read the story  ( @KerantliDreamer, I feel you on fans who skim your work and then complaining about something they’ve taken out of context or misunderstood). And a MC getting beaten up at two points in the story and having to work his ass off and learning self-worth is a Gary Stu? That term applies to at least a few canon characters in your precious comic far more. But I guess them being overpowered and constantly getting their way by making frowny faces  or whatever is fine because they’re popular characters.

AntoineHero also told me the MC would be ashamed of me for writing this fic. LOL wut? The MC is a fictional sentient animal boy, dude. Unless you think you’re actually seeing him, in which case I suggest you visit a doctor immediately.

Sorry, but your poor reading comprehension and fixation with canon isn’t my problem. And why should I listen to someone who didn’t even have the courage to sign in so we could have a real back and forth?

[Committing Murder... Of Your Characters]

Killing off characters has always been a huge problem for me because I do end up getting really attached. I really haven't had any stories (original or otherwise) where I’ve actually done the deed yet, though I know that in certain ones there should realistically be a body count. When I do finally decide to off someone (very reluctantly), I really want there to be a solid  reason for it, instead of just doing it for shock value/attention, or because a character is or becomes “boring”, etc. These are reasons I’ve seen characters be bumped off  in shows/books/etc, and it’s pretty transparent.

[Reviews that make you go "hmmm?"]

What’s so bad is about all this that he just goes around posting the same rambles everywhere. Reviews that aren't actually reviews bug me. He’d be better off just getting a blog and posting his deep thoughts on superheroes and comics there.

I’m not even sure what this devolved into towards the end there…

[Reviews that make you go "hmmm?"]

Is it cool to share WTF reviews left on other peoples’ fics? I like reading reviews just to see what’s being said about the story, and oh man have I seen some stuff.

For example, there’s this guy who goes around reviewing Marvel/DC superhero fic, and this is his handiwork:

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Mankind longs to be good, but at the same time we applaud the swift and brutal defeats of those in the wrong

Gotham City is a representation of everything that could possibly go wrong in a modern urban landscape. The system has broken down to a nightmarish degree. Corruption is rampant at every level of government. Street crime and urban blight are so prevalent that they're just considered part of everyday life. Even the most outwardly decent individual is just one traumatic experience from transforming into a baroque Serial Killer. The conventional forces for Law and order consistently fail to address the problems of the society they were created to serve, which necessitates the appearance of a non-conventional force (ie. a vigilante who makes extensive use of psychological warfare and theatrics, rather than logic and procedure). Modern society's problems have grown too large and too complex for its traditional ethics to address. Something new must be created to deal with these problems.

Which brings us to The Joker. He is the extreme of criminal behavior that law is unable to resolve. A constant throughout the series is that Joker can not be redeemed. His madness cannot be treated or cured. In fact his madness is slightly contagious; trying to analyze him, or in some cases just spending a significant amount of time in his proximity, may drive you mad as well. He can't be contained either; imprison him and he'll just break out again. Only one thing can really be done with him...and no representative of law and order - not even Gotham's extraordinary agent of it - is willing or able to do that. Thou Shalt Not Kill is the one rule that no one will break, even though it will quite handily solve the unsolvable problem of the Joker, and that is presented to us as a good thing. Unfortunately traditional concepts of "good" and "evil" do not apply in a place like Gotham. The city has been abandoned by God, and the only reason God's laws hold any sway at all is because it gives them comfort to the citizens of the city to believe that they do. The Joker's continued existence - and the continued reign of terror he engages in - is the inevitable end product of the moral myopia/moral hypocrisy of Gotham City. Everyone in Gotham - including the vigilante who is technically outside the system - is applying a system of morality to a situation where it is no longer relevant, and in the process contributing to their own self-destruction

I believe the general rule is do or at least try to do more good than harm

The Authority save more than they kill

The world needs men like Luthor not men like Batman check out Extermination from Boom

Wouldn't it have been better if his father had a gun and killed the mugger in self defense

Respectful when Supes is with Mr. Majestic or when he said a prayer for Tommy Monaghan not the condescension with other anti heroes like Manchester Black or Magog

Robin Hood fought against unfair taxes not the honest merchants

forced charity is not charity

Yes a Mega Corp can screw you over for your money just like a government can but it's usually killing the goose that lays the golden egg, there is no glory in ruling over starving beat down idiots but strong healthy people

A flat tax does help everyone so who cares if it helps the wealthy more, stop crying the other boy was faster so that's why he gets a trophy we're all going out for ice cream so shut up

American Dream is not picket fence etc, what people forget is it's the PURSUIT of happiness not do nothing and get a roof, food, etc., it's a chance to save your pennies and then get an education with no one saying you can't rise above your station simply "Independence" surviving in life depend not on your connections to the powerful few, but rather by one's own diligence, hard work, and a bit of luck, the Ankh-Morporkian Dream, that of "making boatloads of cash in a place where your death was not likely to be a matter of public policy"

redistribution of wealth usually does more harm than good

the Front Line they ruthlessly enforce civil liberties in the sixties, they stop France from getting nukes, and destroy Iran's oil reserves to nip terrorism in the bud, they're first degree $$holes who only do these things because they're good for business but they made their world better than ours and when they're taken down the world goes to straight to hell

In Black SummerTom Noir: "You want to change the nature of justice in America and you kill a president? What did you think that made you? Two-fisted Super-Jesus for the American Way? It made you Lee Harvey Oswald, you prick. You know what? Lots of people hated John F. Kennedy. He barely got elected. But Lee Harvey Oswald isn't remembered as an American hero. Just a prick who killed the president. That's you now, John."

A man's motives are second to his accomplishments say you want to make a statement about the third of the planet that is starving to death so you light yourself on fire in front of an embassy, but you don't actually help a single child, but if you go to these places to build a legitimate business and make money and actually develop the country and improve their standard of living you actually DO help

the nominal good guys aren’t willing to get their hands dirty or bloody or they don’t have the power, competence, or ability to act at the moment

Society's failures to provide for the elderly, the infirm, and the young (though we must also teach them to take care of themselves when they grow up) it must also not take away someone's pride and dignity some would rather die than give up their pride one shouldn't force them to live with shame and humiliation

Luthor IS the second smartest person in the universe after Brainiac but his creativity, ingenuity, and inventiveness makes up for the lack in raw brain power remember Red Son he did engineer a golden age that lasted millions of years of no poverty, war, crime, terrorism, science and art advance and so forth

Without property rights there are no human rights

Not everyone gets a trust fund, when you’re hungry you become a thief or killer if you have to

I have a family f* you and your high and mighty B.S. we little people can’t depend on you at all times

You keep poking a tiger eventually it’s going to bite you

Taking the law into your own hands is bad, dangerous, and more than a little crazy again not saying black ops don't have their necessity, they can be used as a force of good

we don't have to like, aid, or support them, normal people shouldn't have to, if you come from a loving family and a happy life you aren't and shouldn't be a tough guy but we don't always have sociopaths with codes sometimes normal people need to man up

There are no human rights without property rights

when you're hungry and you want to feed your starving family you steal bread to survive

Work out the logistics don't give some pie in the sky BS

asking people to lay down their lives for a higher cause believe in is not the same as asking them to just lay down and die it is wrong and stupid to ask someone to give up their self-preservation instincts

thieves have to be clever, quick, and brave, bootlickers only have to lick boots true the snob mentality isn't something they've created and is a major problem we all need to deal with but you shouldn't ask someone to give up their pride and dignity either and them acting like school bullies doesn't help

there are times to stand up for yourself and times to swallow your pride

Sinestro’s planet was lawless and wild And in the end of the Sinestro Corps War, Sinestro admits that what he really wanted was to improve the Green Lantern Corps, making them accept the use of deadly-force when necessary. He achieved his ends either way.

His people are practically BEGGING his daughter (the new Green Lantern of that sector) to become the next dictator

Stand for what you believe until and unless logic and/or experience prove you wrong

Bend the knee you can rise again if you’re dead you kind of have to stay dead unless you’re one of the people who put your underpants on the outside apparently

There are good and bad rich people and there are good and bad poor people and there are good and bad middle class people a civilized man accuses specific individuals of specific crime (felony and fraud)
Batman 1,000,000/3000/Beyond

Barbatos

One of Bruce's ancestors was framed for witchcraft by Vandal Savage in the Middle Ages, another ancestor wasa knight of the Round Table who betrayed King Arthur, his spirit inhabit his armor to seek redemption

Azrael

King Arthur and the Knights of Justice

Batman: Book of the Dead, Bruce Wayne's parents were archaeologists who were on the verge of cracking open a major conspiracy involving an Egyptian bat-god who was erased from history. They are murdered before Bruce's eyes due to their discovery, and Bruce becomes Batman when he is inspired by the bat cartouche that the assassin was really after.

Batman: Haunted Gotham Gotham City was taken over by the Dark Lords of Hell centuries ago. Bruce Wayne is raised by his parents to strike against them, and is joined in his quest by a skeleton named Cal and a sorceress named Cat Majik

Captain Thug did get uploaded with Batman's skills

Falcone, Maroni, Thorne, Blockbuster, Bruno Manheim and Intergang

Cobblepots along with Waynes, Kanes, and Elliots were Gotham's founding families

Female Furies Artemiz, Sweet Leilani, K'li, Bloody Mary, Alianna

Terror Twins, Black Spider, Enigma, Joker's Daughter

Slobo, Gilotina

Red X, Blackfire, Rorek, Kyd Wykkyd, Johnny Rancid, Jinx,Control Freak- Reality Warping Super Remote Control Antigrav Jetboots/astrojitsu-mystic martial arts-energy ball/quadruple bladed lightsaber/fundamental forces of the universe blaster/power bands

Theana

Sivana family- scientifically mimic Shazam magic lightning

Despero

Queen Clea

Helspont

This is real, and it’s not the only one he’s posted. There's more, but they’re also very long (and rambling), hence why I just linked to them.

[Pet Peeves-What can't you stand]

@Desiderius Price Thanks! Yeah, I prefer realism too, to an extent. IE: In a medieval fantasy I'll look the other way if the princess smells like flowers as opposed to b.o. because she hasn’t bathed in days, versus a story where a parent visits a school where his child’s being bullied, finds the kids in question, and threatens them. I certainly understand wanting to smack the bullies, but that is in no way plausible, more so in this case because the parent is an important political figure.

I guess I look for realism in how people react to things around them and how the world responds to their behavior. So the whole “the world bends over backwards to accommodate my precious cinnamon roll” stuff annoys me greatly.

I admit to be willing to ignore spelling mistakes if the story’s engaging enough and the author’s aware of the problem (“I know about the spelling errors, but I don’t have a beta and I’m trying my best to catch them” – I can sympathize. It can be hard to find a beta, especially if you don’t write in a popular fandom). But if there’s enough of them I will max out. Just haven't run into any that have made me do that.The ones that have a ton of spelling errors also tend to have other problems too, so I don’t really get too far with those.

On 4/20/2018 at 4:27 PM, Praetor said:

 I guess my biggest personal peeve is lack of detail.  A lot of internet fiction I’ve read take place in a vacuum, with the setting only vaguely described and characters who lack motivations or identities.  Fan fiction tends to be especially guilty of this because novice or lazy authors may just assume we know the characters and setting.  Failing to fill in the blanks makes immersing the reader into the story difficult.  This makes the story inaccessible to newer readers, doesn’t convey what the author has in mind, and ultimately doesn’t build upon the established lore.

Yes, yes, yes. I see that quite a bit too, and it drives me loco.

Joe looked angry. “I am mad, Max.” Then he went home.

His dog Bart looked at him and said “Woof.”

Joe sat down.

Suddenly Mom walked in. “Joe, let’s go to the movies.”

That’s not much of an exaggeration of the fics I've seen that are like this. Can I get some more story in my story, please?

[Histrionics]

It was short and it hurt the point that he wanted to get across, I agree completely. “Hey, don’t do this because it’s bad. Kthnxbye!” Okay?...

[Histrionics]

The gentleman who wrote that article made some pretty broad generalizations. I wouldn't draw the conclusion that a writer is lazy or simplistic just because they had an angry character slam a door or whatever, especially if the rest of the story itself is just fine. If I was reading a book where some characters were having a heated argument, then generally I would expect someone to have a physical display of anger of some sort (and sometimes you just don’t want to stick around after a fight).

I actually don’t see anything wrong with cliches because you can always put your own twist on them.

[Insecure connection]

Oh, okay. I never put my personal business in any of my online profiles, so yeah. I feel more comfortable about things now.  Thanks guys!

[Pet Peeves-What can't you stand]

On 7/9/2009 at 1:00 AM, Clockwork_Knight said:

On the other hand there are some people who Beta that should NOT be Betas. FF.net is a place where you have to wade though the masses of bad Betas and wanna be’s to find any good ones that can actually to their job

So, so true. What about the reverse of this? One time this other writer approached me to beta her fic with the promise of fan art for me. I accepted because hey, fan art, plus the plot was centered around a character I love. But then the more it progressed the more I began to dislike it due in part to how she approached the cast. I wasn’t sure if that was enough for me to critique, because it seemed to be a case of differing interpretations. She winds up not even finishing it and leaves for another site altogether without a word. I only discovered that she set up shop elsewhere when I happened to stumble across her account on the second site. Haven’t heard anything from her since.

Anyways, I agree with a lot of things a bunch if people have said here already , but I have some of my own to add:

Character bashing. I refuse to support stories that do this. What’s so bad is that the term character bashing itself is so misused now that people don’t even understand what it actually refers to. There are people who literally think if you do anything to a character that isn’t making life daises and sunshine for them, you must be bashing them. The character gets sick? You’re bashing them. Another character dislikes another character for perfectly valid reasons? That’s perfectly normal, happens all the time in real life. Nope! You’re a character basher. I remember this one girl who was trying to defend bashing Twilight characters by saying that critics bash characters all the time when they give negative film/book/etc reviews. That’s… no. I don’t even like Twilight and it’s clear to me you don’t understand what you’re talking about.

Badly-written romance. And the funny thing is, when I once stated how awful many shipfics are (I’ll call them shipfics to differentiate them from a good romance story), this one person now thinks I hate romance. No, I hate stories where we get stuff like this:

1. Mature grownups suddenly start behaving like dumb kids in middle school or characters in a CW show when it comes to love.
2. People who write about children (when I say “children”, this character can only be 8-11 years old) having sex with adults and teens and having the older party be so impressed by their maturity/or physical attributes. Yeah, that’s realistic.
3. Unhealthy relationships being treated like they’re normal. At least have the self-awareness to point out that one or both characters are bad for one another.

There are romances that have made me tear up or feel joy that the couple’s finally gotten together. The crap I just described made me tear up, but not from happiness. Also it’s just annoying to see the exact same ships be written about the same basic way over and over again. Can we mix it up please?

Writers who can’t make characters act like real people. This is a big issue with several canons I like. It’s not just OOCness, it straight-up feels like the cast exists purely to be the writer’s mouthpieces/tools. If it’s a character(s) the writer likes, then they’re always depicted as Good, Honest, and Noble, even though more though more often than not they act like complete turds instead. Any character who challenges the author’s pets (especially if they’ve clashed with them in the source material) exists to be an obstacle that must be demonized and humiliated at every turn. Whether it’s a villain or a good-aligned character who committed the crime of simply disagreeing with the pet character in the original material, under the fanboy/girl’s pen they’re transformed into vile monsters that do everything from abusing animals to committing rape. Look, I don’t care about what characters you wanna project yourself onto or date. I just want to read a normal story.

[Insecure connection]

I have antivirus software myself (Avira -- used to be AVG, but it fell down on the job). Do you think my computer would be safe if I went ahead and logged in?

[Insecure connection]

I looked around to see if anyone else was having this same issue. Not finding anything, I decided to go and do this.

Right before I log into my archive account, a message appears saying “Connection is not secure. Login could be compromised.” So I type https before the site URL in the address bar and then log in, since that’s worked for me before on other sites where I've received that same warning. Here though it doesn't work, only taking me to a page which states the “connection is (still) insecure” instead.

(If you’re curious, I’m using Firefox.)

[How Many Active Stories do you Have?]

Uh… *thinks* If I count everything, four stories that are actually posted online, as well as three that haven’t been and which I’ve been working on on the side off and on. Did I say the word “on” enough times? I wasn’t sure if I should count all the Word docs I have in which I've jotted down some scene or bit of dialogue that I needed to get down.

[So who is the sexiest cartoon character?]

I haven't seen any rules against thread necromancy, so I hope posting here is cool.

There aren't too many cartoon characters out there that I personally find sexy. There's plenty that I think are cute or attractive though. Gambit, Esmeralda, and Jessica Rabbit are the only ones off my head that I apply the word sexy to.

[New? Introduce Yourself!]

I should've did this first, but I've never been confident when it comes to introducing myself. I'm new to the forum, but not writing fanfiction. Some of my fandoms include Disney, Sonic The Hedgehog, Digimon, and some more obscure cartoons like Road Rovers. I also love crossovers. While I find anthromorphic characters fascinating to write and speculate about (what kind of culture would humanoid animals have? How would they interact with the world around them?), I don't consider myself a furry, though I don't have any issues with the normal, non-obnoxious ones. Most of my fics that'll get posted on AFF will either be slash or het.

I also sketch, and have started branching out into doing steamier fan art, so I might post some of it here. I'm on dA, Fur Affinity, and and a few other fanfiction sites, most prominently Fanfiction.net as One Lucky Unicorn.

Let's see... I love animals, reading, and movies. l have an interest in true crime and cryptozoology, though currently I'm just an armchair enthusiast (and far more discerning and skeptical about the latter then I was as a teen).

[Writing a "first time" scenario]

@BronxWench: Thanks! *nods* The first sex scene you ever write probably isn't going to turn out absolutely perfect (much like a person's real first time, lol). Also, I'm big on characterization and staying true to the characters' core personalities, so I hear ya there.

@CL: That makes a lot of sense. It does seem easier for guys to get off. The virgin in fact actually gets caught masturbating by his would-be partner, and he's done it before even though he considers it shameful (he's pretty old-fashioned). At this point, I'm not super-worried about the beta issue. I actually really dislike the other smutfic I've seen done for this fandom, and in general finding a good beta is like pulling teeth, so those factors lower my chances at finding a good one. Hopefully if I get any reviews, they'll throw out some feedback.

Oh definitely -- having fun is partly why I got interested in trying my hand at erotica. XD

@dafdes: I'll keep that in mind. The characters have been besties since they were little, so they're comfortable with each other for the most part.

Why didn't I register for the forums here sooner? You guys have been way more helpful then some of the other forums I've been at before.

[Writing a "first time" scenario]

Ooo, these links will be very handy indeed. Thank you, Bronx Wench!

[Writing a "first time" scenario]

CL's advice is so sound. Don't be afraid to let your characters screw up, be ugly and be a little gross sometimes, especially during sex. I think the most silly sex scenes are when everything goes perfectly. At least to me. Flawed and messy can be sexy. Other than that, focus on the senses: what do they taste, smell, see, feel? I'd also suggest avoiding the passive voice in sex scenes when possible. Tends to slow things down and take away from the sexy. Oh, and a good beta who reads or writes a lot is priceless with this sort of thing too!

There are actually a lot of good advice articles out there about writing erotica fiction. Most are for het erotica, but the advice is usually still valid. I had more to say, but I forgot what... Anyway, have fun! Welcome to the dark side!

Sorry, I didn't see your reply until after I posted just now. Good advice that I will definitely take into consideration! I didn't consider taking guides on writing het erotica and applying the tips in them to slash. I'd love a beta, but unfortunately my writer friends stick to clean material and I'm pretty sure Sonic rule 34 isn't their thing, so for now I'm beta-less.

Thank you! So far everybody here seems pretty chill, which is a relief.

[Writing a "first time" scenario]

Funny thing about my first time -- there has yet to be one, since I'm asexual. But yeah, that's a very good point about their experience not exactly going smoothly.

Of course that can be a fine line to walk if you're also looking for it to be titillating to your readers, you probably don't want it to be too realistic because someone stopping in the middle because it hurts isn't exactly what most readers are looking for in their porn. (I know this as a fact )

XD True, true... In that case, guess I should aim for a mix of realism and fantasy.

I did see someone else saying that a virgin wouldn't be able to bring their partner to orgasm, yet funnily enough, I've seen this in quite a few first time stories. A part of me wants to go that route too, since the fandom I'm writing in always portrays this particular character as a uke because of his personality and nationality. I really want to buck that trend.

And what would make you think that anyone would think you look silly? Have you read some of the drivel some of us put out there?

CL

LOL! I'm guess I'm just paranoid about being one of those writers people laugh at because they're obviously a virgin trying to write porn and failing. XD

Thanks for replying! Your answer gave me some stuff to think about.

[Writing a "first time" scenario]

I'm nearly done with this one-shot I've been working on, but the sex scene (something I've never written before until now) is what keeps on tripping me up. It's between two young men. One is a virgin, and the other, while not a virgin, has never been intimate with another man before. I'm just worried about it looking silly or being unbelievable. One bit of advice I've seen around is to see how other writers tackle the subject, which I've been doing, but I was wondering if anyone had anymore advice or tips to share?