This Is A Shame

[Guest Mike256bit]

Melody is officially my hero.

"Oh c'mon! You're going to kill me just because I had fake sex on graph paper with a girl who barely spoke two words to you?!"

-Dr. Venture

[Guest Melody Fate]

...dude. Melody, remind me to NEVER seriously offend you. EVER! And if I have, remember I love you and respect you and was likely not in my right mind.

*Laughs* I don't think you could seriously offend me. You're not pushing your moral codes on others and you don't have your head up your ass.

There are people on this site that share wildly different viewpoints from me, but I still respect. StoryJunkie and I don't see eye to eye on some things, but I like her and I respect her. The difference between her and this person? She doesn't try to come across like she's better than me for being different and she doesn't insult me for not sharing her same viewpoints. This person has every right to dislike stories involving minors having sex. Hell, I would applaud her for her tastes, if that's where it ended. Where it angers me is when he or she starts to feel they have the right to stop me from writing and the right to tell me that what I'm doing is somehow "wrong."

Maybe, but it was richly deserved and very accurate. I'm glad it was so articulately conveyed.

Thank you. Again, it angers me completely when someone feels that fictional sex is the same as real sex. I would never in my wildest dreams have sex with a minor. If I knew an adult who wanted to have sex with a real minor child, I'd do anything to stop them. The idea that this person now lumps me in the same catagory as a real life child molester makes me want to hurl.

I also hate the doublestandard tossed out as well. If they also mentioned a dislike of rape stories, or torture stories, I'd dismiss them as someone who can't tell the difference between fake and real, but the only problem they have is minors having sex. So, is rape, torture, snuff etc. perfectly acceptable? Sorry, there are much worse things in this world than teenagers having consentual sex, even if it is with an adult.

Melody is officially my hero.

*Laughs again* Thank you. Oddly, I wasn't mad at all about this person's rant until I came to the part about "This is just as bad as pictures!" then I realized I'd just been accused of being a child molester and that pissed me off royally.

[StoryJunkie]

I've come to the conclusion that Melody is made of adamantium. I love her rants. They are indeed, reviewable material. Her thought process is orderly, and her repetoir of words formidable.

I think Sunny may have read a story of a child, not a 15 year old. There are a couple of stories on this site I would swear are based on true experiences, and mainly because I've worked in a 1/2 way home for street kids and heard the same ones over and over. These kids were abused from before the age of 10, and the sad statistic is that 3 out of 10 people you meet in your life has had this experience. (For girls, this statistic is more, for boys, less.)

I have come across such stories here on AFF, and infact one or two that very persuasively lead the reader down the road of a story, and make sex with a 10 year old a very hot experience. To me, I find myself aghast that such things are arousing, while the other part of my mind screams: "Nooooooo!" Yes, I read the warnings, and yes, I felt like the eye of God was burning in my forehead, but at anytime I could leave, minimize the window, turn off the computer and go sing "row, row, row your boat" while rocking back and forth in my closet.

[Guest Melody Fate]

think Sunny may have read a story of a child, not a 15 year old.

I would have a tendency to believe that myself if she hadn't used the term "minor." If she'd used, "Children" or "Small children" I might feel she was excluding teens. Yes, techically teens (until 18) are children, but most people think of them as teenagers. Not quite children, not quite adults. When I was 13-17, if you'd called me a child, I would have told you (quite aghast, I might add) that I was a teenager or a young adult. (thank the library and bookstores for the last one.)

The term "Minor" is one of the few, all exclusive terms. Minor is a black-and-white term that only deals with how long you've been walking the earth. If you're eighteen you are not a minor, if you're before eighteen, even if it's just a day, you're a minor.

There are a couple of stories on this site I would swear are based on true experiences, and mainly because I've worked in a 1/2 way home for street kids and heard the same ones over and over. These kids were abused from before the age of 10, and the sad statistic is that 3 out of 10 people you meet in your life has had this experience. (For girls, this statistic is more, for boys, less.)

I've wondered about a few of them. One that was recently added, I had the disturbing feeling was someone's form of self-therapy. (Writer being the victim, not the instigator) If that was true, I felt bad that about the only place someone can explore that pain and try to relieve it is on an adult fanfiction site.

I have come across such stories here on AFF, and infact one or two that very persuasively lead the reader down the road of a story, and make sex with a 10 year old a very hot experience. To me, I find myself aghast that such things are arousing, while the other part of my mind screams: "Nooooooo!" Yes, I read the warnings, and yes, I felt like the eye of God was burning in my forehead, but at anytime I could leave, minimize the window, turn off the computer and go sing "row, row, row your boat" while rocking back and forth in my closet.

I've read a couple of those too. I always feel I need to take a shower when I'm done. Not to cool down, just because I now feel so dirty.

I've had my own questioning about who I am when I write or read stuff that were it real, I would be disgusted and offended. Then I realized that I'm usually putting myself in the role of the victim. In other words, if I read about an eleven year old girl having hot, fantastic, sex, I want to be the girl, not the adult. Since the odds of me turning back the clock and becoming a child again are impossible,I don't worry that much about it anymore. If I suddenly start becoming fond of "Older woman captures little boys for sexual purposes" then I'll have to sit down and question myself again.

[StoryJunkie]

The impression I got, (and yes, that was odd, when she used the term "minor"), was that of a woman (or man, I shouldn't discriminate) who perhaps works in a government position or works as a teacher or some such occupation (like a social worker) who would use such a term to describe children. It didn't occur to me in the way you suggested. Funny how a person is so...elusive, yet can leave so much of themselves in so few words. Meh, I'm probably wrong then. If I'm right, though, I'm not sure she will return. She's gotten her words in, and she twisted the knife a bit. Now she's run off. She's entitled to her opinion, and I was interested to see it. I won't condemn her for it. I think she's more wounded than anyone else who has responded to her.

[Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi]

It just pisses me off that he/she/it seemed to be under the impression that it would be a good idea to go up to people and tell them to stop doing that which was in their legal right to do on their own website. It's the whole thing with the people trying to shut down these websites, illegalize homosexual activity and ban video games.

If everyone who said "I don't like this, get rid of it." got just that, the Universe would CEASE TO EXIST.

So many seems to forget that they can't just tailor the government or the world to themselves. Your rights end where another's begin. You can't stop other people from doing what they enjoy unless it's hurting someone. My reading porn doesn't hurt anyone.

This is all so STUPID.

[Guest Mike256bit]

At the very least, this person should be proud to have sparked such a one-sided debate. I think we should thank said person for unifying us in the celebration of freedom of expression.

[Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi]

Must make them feel pretty stupid for posting that here.

Fact is, a site full of various writers, poets and artists in general just doesn't seem to be the best place to post such a right wing statement. Not to mention, we're CONSTANTLY bitching over shit like this.

Not to say they're aren't any of the more conservative folk here, but they're generally smarter on how to present an idea and don't try to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

[Guest Mike256bit]

Absolutely. Anyone who takes this place seriously would have the sense to keep such a poorly worded opinion to themselves. Or they wouldn't have said opinion

[Guest Melody Fate]

I still say the whole point of the post was really to say, "I'm better than you are! I'm shocked and horrified at this, while you all approve!"

And it still reeks of, "I just spanked the monkey while reading a story about someone underage having sex and I feel horribly guilty and the only way to relieve my guilt is to blame others. It wasn't my fault I got excited, it was the writer's fault for writing such filth!"

What would have made it complete would have been if they'd added, "Does your mother know you people are writing this stuff?"

[Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi]

There would be a huge "Yes!"

My mother actually suggested I get grandmother on this forume X_x

I don't need my Grandmother to know what I do with my free time...

Oh god, the things I've admitted to doing on here!

:: dies of pre-emptive mortifacation ::

[Guest Mike256bit]

I know for a fact that my mom's read stuff on my website (thus forcing me to start using a pseudonym). Still, glad to know she was supportive and wouldn't stop me, especially now.

[Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi]

I know for a fact that my mom's read stuff on my website (thus forcing me to start using a pseudonym). Still, glad to know she was supportive and wouldn't stop me, especially now.

I REFUSE to let my mom read my work! Or, anyone else in my family for that matter. Though, for all I know they do and don't know it's me.

Oh my GOD! My aunt reading my Harry Potter slash fics :: dead again ::

[Guest Melody Fate]

My mother would die if she knew what I was writing. Of course, not all the reasons for this would be because I was writing sex...

[Guest ChibiShiva]

I've never let my mom read anything I've written so far. First of all, she doesn't understand much of English XD;. Second, even though I doubt she'd "disapprove" my writing (as I'm an adult)... I'd feel very uncomfortable, however x.x. I doubt she'd read my rape scenes, or the incest I have between some of my characters.

[Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi]

A bonding experience born of bukake...

[Guest Evil_Labs]

It would make for interesting Sunday dinner conversation, non?

I have let family read my non-adult works. But most of my writing, adult or not, is really not kids stuff anyway. Still, graphic sex is not something I would want to bring up to the relatives.

[Guest paranoid]

I have let family read my non-adult works. .

My family reads things into my most G rated scenes.

[Guest Mike256bit]

I used to print out hard copies 'cause I edit better with a pen. Well, I also have a three-second memory. Before I was of age, I don't know how many times my mom hand-delivered stacks of papers to me, be they dirty drawings or dirty sentences.

The drawings really got her upset, actually (note, no minors, at least ), and she asked me if this was something I wanted to do with the rest of my life -- you know, in that parental way.

Well, I sorta do.

[Guest Adara]

My parents don't even know I write this kinda stuff, or any kinda stuff as a pastime, PERIOD. Funny enough, especially since I post some of my work, I'm kinda protective of my work. As much as I like the fact that my parents know me pretty well, (it shows dedication in my eyes ) I feel that I have to keep some parts of my "inner" workings to myself.

I'm sure if I EVER do anything with my writing, they'll just fall over and die of shock. Not so much because of what I wrote, but because they would have never known.

I like that shock factor...

[StoryJunkie]

well think about this one. My parents are over 80. If they care to read anything I write, they'd probably croak. I mean, they know that I write. They don't know what. I suppose, though, my Dad, who is a Zane Grey and Mike Hammer fan, would probably not mind so much. I think he's seen a great many things in his long life, and my mom was a nurse, so, yeah, she knows the names of body parts, that's for sure, but both of them are practicing (and I mean practicing Catholics) (although, not Roman Catholic)

When confronted with explicit material, my Dad would say things like: "That's private, between a husband and wife!" and kind of throw up his hands in exasperation.

Aside from that, though, do you know how long it took me to figure out that really puzzling analogy in the Song of Songs, where the guy is describing a woman's breasts like grazing gazelles? I always thought it had been strange, and imagined tiny gazelles leaping about on some woman's tatas. I later realized, he meant that HE would graze upon them as gazelles would upon the hills, and it blew me away. I mean, think about what those lips are doing!

Back to the subject of parents: I think its extremely difficult to visualize our parents as sexual beings, or even as people to which you may be absolutely candid, since for a very very long time, they were our guides and taught us what is acceptable and what is not. They are usually authority figures, and on top of that, what ever we do as their children reflects upon their parenting skills. I would hate to dishonor that most of all, since they are the bestest parents anyone could have.

[Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi]

I think one of the reasons I feel so comfortable with my mom is because she raised me in a way where I always saw her as a human being. I lways saw her as fallable.

The main reason I get so embarrassed about the idea of my mother reading what I write is not so much the "But it's my MOM!" thing but the "But I'm her BABY!"

I mean, seriously, this is the same woman who ignored the fact that my boyfriend and I started having sex even though she could hear it! She knows what I write.

That's enough!

[Guest Melody Fate]

I think it's about as easy for my parents to picture me having sex as it is for me to picture them having sex. We all know we've done it, we all are probably even sure we've all enjoyed it. We just would prefer not to think about it, because it's a total mood crasher.

[StoryJunkie]

Okay, now I'm going to tell you something really weird. My mom is in her 80's, but she is still sexy. I don't know how to describe it, she just has this certain "I don't know what", and I'm her daughter and I notice it. She's not drop-dead gorgeous or anything like that, but she's just so..alive. She has these really nice hips, and this sort of free manner and a nice build. She's quiet and demure and very sensible. She's a rock...she's just everything. And I wouldn't mention it, except my husband brought it up a couple times. "You know your mom, she..."

"What?" I prompt.

"She turns me on."

Well, those were NOT words I was expecting. And my SO is not one to just say anything stupid or crass, or go doing inappropriate things. We have conversations about anything and everything, and that was one of them. Then we started talking about this other old woman that he met at the nursing home. She also had this sort of aura around her. I guess some people find certain other people attractive no matter what their age...and I don't think sex dies after you reach retirement. You're still whoever you are from when you were born.

[wattersk]

hi i have been reading some of the original stories and why is it that most of them are dealing with minors. some of the stuff, involing minors, in there is just sick! This is just as bad pictures involing minors. I feel all this information should be taken off. Moreover i think people who actually read this should consider the fact that if the authorities were to find this out, you all could be in serious trouble. I used to visit this website now and then but have stopped since now this site just makes me sick!

Any time I read/write a fic involving a minor, I'm either looking for something really angsty that'll make me cry, or else I'm looking for something romantic, and I sure as hell won't read it if the minor is under 14. I'm pretty sure most of the readers/writers here on AFF who become involved with a story involving a minor are simply looking for such themes. Frankly, I have yet to be aroused by a story involving a minor, and I'm certain many others here are the same.

Anyway, as Melody pointed out, fictional pieces aren't illegal. In fact, there are now porn companies that wil photograph their ADULT models and use imaging programs to make them appear younger, and its perfectly legal, because the model is TECHNICALLY an adult.

Did you know that police are free to stare at pictures of little boys and girls all day? Sure, it's because they're doing their job, but they're still viewing it. Instead of working about characters that don't exist, other than in little symbols known as the ABCs, why don't you go after the police for viewing photos of REAL children.

By the way, if there's anybody around here who wants to think that I'm sticking up for pedophiles and child pornography, keep in mind that my criminal record now exists for assaulting a guy who revealed himself to my 6-year-old brother and sister.

Anyway, I haven't seen that much stuff with minors in the Original section. In the anime and cartoon sections there's been plenty, but I have yet to see a lot in the original section.

Anyhoo... I don't know how people could ever let their parents/grandparents know about writing on AFF, unless they were on the site too. ^^; The only family member who knows I write on here is my sister [not the six-year-old, mind you,] and that's only because she accidentally stumbled onto my author page. ^^;

I guess some people find certain other people attractive no matter what their age...and I don't think sex dies after you reach retirement. You're still whoever you are from when you were born.

I'll admit that I get sad sometimes and wish my parents would have another child [i guess 'cause I want to believe that it would bring back the little brother or sister I would have had three years ago if mom hadn't miscarried], but it still creeps me out when I think of them doing it. I hate it when I'm visiting and my mom asks me to get something for her from my dad's night table, 'cause as soon as you open it there's a box of condoms just sitting there, staring at you. I just wanna crawl under a rock and shiver and shrivle away into a pile of goop. ^^;