Is there an point where story content is not accepteble?

[Guest Monsterking]

is there an limit to what is accepteble for content material here?

Personaly i think that an older person havin sex with someone under18 is pushing it. or worse an older person havin sex with an toddler!

Tell met what you all think via the poll above and if the answers yes what do you think constunts as pushing it

Please dont kill me administrator for asking this question...

[shinigamiinochi]

i think that as long as it is written and not DONE that anything is fine. I've read the baby sex stories and they make me want to puke, but by infringing on their right to write stories that I think is wrong, I'm inviting fundamentalists to do the same to my fanfics that involve yaoi and religion. It's one of those double edged sword deals. Besides, just because someone writes something offensive doesn't mean that the author believes in it. I write a lot of rape fics, but I think that rape is nasty and would never do it. I believe we had a discussion on pedophilia in fanfiction along this vein and a lot of people agreed that there is a big difference between having sex with a child and writing about someone having sex with a child and fiction doesn't create violent acts, violent acts create fiction. I'm sure there are thousands of people in america alone that would want to lynch me for writing yaoi fanfiction, so I don't think putting a limit on content is a good idea. *waves free speech flag*

[Guest Monsterking]

though i do agree with you once again i do feel that minor sex is still over the top

[greenwizard]

There aren't any limits on this site, but there are definitelty personal limits. Not much bothers me. Now an adult having sex with a toddler squicks me just a bit... but a teenager I have no problem with. I think bestiality is a bit gross too.

[Zimarah]

I agree with shinigamiinochi. If you want to write or read something, you should have the right, regardless of the content. I believe that everyone should be welcome to do what they want, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Writing fanfiction, even that which involves underage people, isn't hurting anyone. No one is forcing anyone else to read it.

Free speach is a very important thing, and restricting content is taking that away. I love the fact that this site isn't restricting anyone. I also have a fic that involves rape, even though I also believe that rape is disgusting and should be a heavily punished crime. There is a big difference between reading and/or writting and the actual act.

[Guest Monsterking]

i agree with what you said zimarah. and i while i have no problems with people writing about anything here as long as they dont actually do or support the real thing i.e rape or beastality. but i will say that writing child porn is out of taste even for an errotic writer

cheers and may the furs be with you "WOOOOOO!!"

[Ginevra]

Hmm...

I read the poll question as asking if there is a line that I draw for myself as a writer. And the answer is, of course.

I don't write smut that involves pre-adolescent children. I may deal with it as character background, but not as smut. So far, I haven't touched bestiality or true incest, either. I don't do snuff. And I avoid writing about sexual activities and kinks that happen to squick me. Like scat play.

But, I don't try to impose the line on anyone else. I just read the story summaries and author's notes and try to avoid the content I don't want to read.

[shinigamiinochi]

i've only written child sex once, and that was because it was from snow white and I was writing a modern adaptation of it. Did bestiality when asked, but beyond werewolf sex, I'm not sure I'd do it unless it was part of the plot, in other words, not just for the sake of it being there. Apparently I write a lot of incest, but it doesn't really bother me when it's two boys. Aka, no deformed children. Sometimes I do write things that gross me out just because I like challenging myself, but I draw the line at goro (sex involving mutilations).

[Guest Monsterking]

just to let you all know the only line that i feel is going to far in this site is that involving minors anything else can stay though i may not neccarly wright about it

Peace out brothers and sisters of adult-fanfiction.org and may the furs be with you "WOOOOOO!!"

[Guest Rosemarius]

as I said in the other topic, people should be free to write whatever floats their boat. I get squicked out by toddlercon, heavy guro and some bestiality...but I don't assume everyone's gonna like mild shota and rape...freedom of speech is one of the least true freedom we have left....and I love this website because it doesn't have boundaries. THIS IS ADULTFANFICTION.NET, not PINK&FLUFFY&HAPPYCONSENSUALSEX.NET. There are other websites that have boundaries. If you don't wanna read about minors, go there.

But don't try changing things here; this site is fine just as it is: free for everyone

[Guest Monsterking]

though i do agree with rose completly i do feel that we as authors need to have some sort of standerd for our stories

peace out brothers and sisters of adult-fanfiction.org

[greenwizard]

If you think there should be boundries then you don't agree. Freedom of speech is the right to write a story about a man that adopts little boys as sex slaves if you really want to. I'm not sure why anyone would write such a thing... But I am glad that there is such a place like AFF.net where people do have such a freedom.

[PorkChopExpress86]

pedophelic writing is really the only thing that should be banned. In most cases the argument that reading is not the same as doing is valid, but clinical evidence shows that there is no cure for pedophiles and they experience some of the highest repeat offenders of all sex crimes.

"Studies that have tracked sex offenders over longer follow-up periods have found that pedophiles who molest boys, and rapists of adult women, were the types of offenders most likely to recidivate at rates of 52% and 39% respectively." http://www.atsa.com/ppOffenderFacts.html

Pedophelia has been classified as a mental disorder (http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355) as well as a felony and as such should not be reinforced with pornographic fanfiction.

[Guest Zyx]

Yes, there is a limit: and it's called stupidity.

[shinigamiinochi]

Yes, pedophilia is a mental disorder and pretty much uncurable at this point in time, which is why getting rid of fiction involving children as sexual objects is pointless. It isn't going to solve the psychological disorder just by taking away an outlet, it won't change anyone's thinking. And it isn't all pedophiles writing the stuff nor is the purpose of all the fiction to get off on it, some people write that material as an outlet or because they are confused about it. Just because you're interested in it does not mean you're going to go out and rape some little kid. So, I don't really see the point in getting rid of that type of fiction.

[Guest Monsterking]

GreenWizard just because i say there "should" be boundries does not mean i want there to be boundries so i take your comment personaly.

Peace out brothers and sisters of adult-fanfiction.org and may the furs be with you "WOOOOOO!!"

[bitBlackmage]

Personally all rape and child-sex stories happen to be pure crap (shit, feces)—it's a bunch of trivialized crap. There is no no story that can change my mind either.

They can write that shit all they want though--freedom of speech and all that crap.

[greenwizard]

GreenWizard just because i say there "should" be boundries does not mean i want there to be boundries so i take your comment personaly.

Peace out brothers and sisters of adult-fanfiction.org and may the furs be with you "WOOOOOO!!"

Umm... I'm a little confused. If you don't want there to be boundries, then why do you say there should be? Generally, when someone says there should be something, they are for it. So you were contradicting yourself.

[Guest Monsterking]

because i like to debate with others on the nature of this subject and because i like to see how others feel about it

[Guest Zyx]

Yes, pedophilia is a mental disorder and pretty much uncurable at this point in time, which is why getting rid of fiction involving children as sexual objects is pointless. It isn't going to solve the psychological disorder just by taking away an outlet, it won't change anyone's thinking. And it isn't all pedophiles writing the stuff nor is the purpose of all the fiction to get off on it, some people write that material as an outlet or because they are confused about it. Just because you're interested in it does not mean you're going to go out and rape some little kid. So, I don't really see the point in getting rid of that type of fiction.

-sigh-

I'd hardly call it a mental disorder >_>

You're different, this is wrong. Go kill yourself.

You can't be preaching equality and saying shit like this.

And I realise I may be generalizing the entire world but srsly: equality or an absolute reign of the many over the few*, pick one.

Selfrightious bastards...

*also known as democracy

[shinigamiinochi]

um, actually, pedophilia is a mental disorder, it's even listed in the Diasnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, which basically means that, while it's pretty damn sick and wrong, that person didn't just wake up one day and say 'gee, I think I love children', it was either a. a long build up, maybe their dad molested them or other triggers are in place, or b. they were just born that way. It doesn't make it right, but we can't cure pedophilia which is why getting rid of child sex material is completely useless. If you're going to bash me about a psychological fact, please do a little bit of research.

[Harley Quinn hyenaholic]

Just because I write yaoi doesn't mean I'm gay. Just because I write rape doesn't make me a rapist. Just because I write bondage doesn't mean I've done bondage. And just because I write about sticking a wire in somebody's ear while OC's kissing them doesn't mean I'm a murderer.

I'm sure you get the idea.

Not that I would ever portray child abuse as being a good thing. Provided you know the difference between real life and fantasy, you're free to fantasise what you want. It's certainly preferable to using real children.

Also, pedophilia CAN be cured - provided the patient WANTS to be cured.

You might as well stand there and insist "Hey, Anorexics can't be cured so why not let them starve to death?" I've got a friend who used to be Anorexic.

[greenwizard]

I think I've said this before, but I'll say it again. Pedophilia may be listed as a mental disorder, but I strongly disagree. It's like saying I'm sick in the head because I have a foot fettish. Though I will admit my fascination with feet doesn't really hurt anybody, except myself when I tickle someone's foot and get kicked in the face when they jump.

It's a sexual fettish. There's a thread around here somewhere about fetishes... And because it is a fetish it can't be cured. That I do agree with. Nobody really knows what causes sexual fettishes, but there are a lot of weird ones out there.

When dealing with these fetishes, there are two kinds of people. There is the kind that reads it, writes it, fantasizes about it, but never does it. Then there are the kind that actually do it. If someone decides to jerk off to a child pornogrophy story rather than go out and molest a real child, I have no problem with it.

[Raphaella]

Stendhal Syndrome

Stendhal Syndrome is a psychosomatic illness that causes rapid heartbeat, dizziness, confusion and even hallucinations when an individual is exposed to art, usually when the art is particularly 'beautiful' or a large amount of art is in a single place. The term can also be used to describe a similar reaction to a surfeit of choice in other circumstances, e.g. when confronted with immense beauty in the natural world.

It is named after the famous 19th century French author Stendhal who described his experience with the phenomenon during his 1817 visit to Florence, Italy in his book Naples and Florence: A Journey from Milan to Reggio.

Fregoli Delusion

The exact opposite of the Capgras delusion - the Fregoli delusion is a rare disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that different people are in fact a single person who changes appearance or is in disguise.

The condition is named after the Italian actor Leopoldo Fregoli who was renowned for his ability to make quick changes of appearance during his stage act.

It was first reported 1927 by two psychiatrists who discussed the case study of a 27 year old woman who believed that she was being persecuted by two actors whom she often went to see at the theatre. She believed that these people "pursued her closely, taking the form of people she knows or meets."

These are serious mental disorders too, but I don't take them very seriously. You see, we have a habit of marking all kinds of things as 'mental disorders' that really are just idiosyncratic.

As for Pedophilia I say it is not a mental disorder, it is not idiosyncratic, it is not healthy, it is not permissible and should be punished with castration, or other such things, changing where applicable. Pedophilia in this since should not be used to include high school aged teens, but more the children whom still attend middle school, or lesser grades, or are not of pre school age.

Yes it is better for someone of this persuasion (Prevision) to read fictional accounts of pedophilia and frapp to it than for him, or her, or it, to interact with any real children, but it would be far better if their capacity to yearn sexually did not exist at all and in fact had been painfully removed. You see, many pedophilia cases end in murder, the murder of an abused, abducted child. The child, playing at a park, just being a child, gets picked up horribly violated to suit the perpetrators needs then killed and discarded.

Once again I say far better for their sexual organs to be removed on the first offence!

[PorkChopExpress86]

As for Pedophilia I say it is not a mental disorder, it is not idiosyncratic, it is not healthy, it is not permissible and should be punished with castration, or other such things, changing where applicable. Pedophilia in this since should not be used to include high school aged teens, but more the children whom still attend middle school, or lesser grades, or are not of pre school age.

Yes it is better for someone of this persuasion (Prevision) to read fictional accounts of pedophilia and frapp to it than for him, or her, or it, to interact with any real children, but it would be far better if their capacity to yearn sexually did not exist at all and in fact had been painfully removed. You see, many pedophilia cases end in murder, the murder of an abused, abducted child. The child, playing at a park, just being a child, gets picked up horribly violated to suit the perpetrators needs then killed and discarded.

Once again I say far better for their sexual organs to be removed on the first offence!

I agree with most of that, particularly the castration, but I will say I think pedophilia is a mental disorder. It can be learned, as evidenced by the social institution of pederasty found in the Hellenistic world. But without that kind of social reinforcement, quite to the contrary, to exhibit itself in a society that deems it morally repugnant is indeed a mental (or at the very least a severe social) disorder.

Now before the, "but what about gay people! society deemed that morally repugnant too!" starts, let me say there is a very VERY big difference between two people who have reached sexual maturity finding each other appealing and a fully developed adult being aroused by a prepubescent child who has no understanding of sexuality. I agree that the justice department gets a little too overzealous about labeling things child porn (that poor kid Marcus Dixson [http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/21/athlete.appeal.ap/index.html] in georgia serving hard time for getting a blow job from a 15 year old girl and filming it comes to mind) but someone taking advantage of a child that has not reached the age of sexual maturity is sick and should not be tolerated or in any way reinforced.

This may invite the "then rape fics shouldn't be allowed either" comments but rape is not a crime fueled by a sex drive. It is an issue of power in the mind of the rapist. i'm not sure how much power someone can feel by reading text. Furthermore, most rapes occur when either or both of the parties are under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

[http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Similarities_And_Differences_In_Women_s_Sexual_Assault_Experiences_Based_On_Tact

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People lose control of their actions and do things they wouldn’t otherwise do (that doesn’t make them less responsible) but non-pedophiles don't get drunk and molest toddlers.