New Law Gives Government 6 Months to Turn Internet

[Guest echtrae]

Analysis: New Law Gives Government Six Months to Turn Internet and Phone Systems into Permanent Spying Architecture

Can anybody explain why this would be a good idea?

I fail to see where it's wrong to require the government to provide some level of reasonable proof that someone needs to be put under surveillance before actually spying on them.

[Guest Agaib]

Dictatorship here we come!

[Guest Alien Pirate Pixagi]

Oh... crap...

[Guest Adara]

...*sighs*....

[Guest Big Samurai]

What in the world are they doing? No wonder Congress has a lower approval rating than the Asshat-In-Chief President.

[Leonhart29]

Just another reason for me to perform self-censorship on a daily basis. I'm a natural born citizen, but something tells me that looking at your family tree to find foreign blood ancestors isn't that far off the mark. I can see it now "You had an ancestor from (insert country here) back in 1764, you are now classified as a terrorist threat due to your foreign blood." Which is silly because almost everyone in the US has foreign blood somewhere in their back ground.

Ah! The joys of living under a totalitarian government regime.

[mangamazoku@hotmail.com]

And the fruit of this digital inquisition? They will find that most everyone uses the internet for PORN! Invasion of privacy and unlawful search without a warrant aside, what a fucking waste of taxpayer money.

[Terri]

Just lovely *head desk*

[shinigamiinochi]

sings: "The Internet is for Porn!" *curls up into fetal position* sniff, I should have moved out of this country while I still could. Ah, free speech, I will miss you. Of course, there's the other side. This could help protect people from stalkers and rapists that puruse the internet. Not to mention those racist dicks, ect. Of course, those that are actually commiting crimes and are dumb enough to talk about it, not people that are just writing dumb shit. Free speech again. If I have the right to write about mansex, they have the right to be creepy and racist, unfortunately, but fair is fair.

[foeofthelance]

Out of curiosity, am I the only one who actually read the details of the articles, including the attached one from the NYT? First Item: The intent is to monitor international coomunications routed through the U.S., not domestic correspondence. Also, consider the volume of those communications. It it is far more likely that the programs are going to look for a few key words, flag such messages, and then dump 90% of them as false alarms.

Second item: According the NYT article, the program was already going on. What the government did was create a framework for how it has to operate, rather than allowing it to remain in the black so to speak. That is what Congress is supposed to do: investigate and limit the actions of the intelligence agencies, and punish them as need be. This isn't the rise of Big Brother, or a move to dictatorship (which would involve heavy military action, and I doubt any politician could muster that kind of power) but simply business as usual.

I'm afriad I don't understand how the government putting up rules for an intelligence gathering operation is a bad thing...

[Guest Zyx]

I think it's way more insane that there's a law against suicide xD

[MidnightBliss]

Think about it this way if they are just telling us/passing the bill now that means they have been doing it for at least 5 years already. So I don't think we'll really see the difference. Then again no one ever said the internet was anonymous .

[Shinju]

Well at least now people won't think that I am crazy when I tell them that I'm being watched.

[Guest Monsterking]

why am i not surprised at all about this

Peace out brothers and sisters of adult-fanfiction.org and may the furs be with you "WOOOOOOO!!"

[Shinju]

You know, I just thought about this topic some more, and figured that, knowing the way I am, I would have a field day with me and my friends just saying the weirdest, freakiest shit into the phone just to freak out "the watchers."

caller 1: "hey, did I tell you i just got one of those new dildos that are as fat around as a fire extinguiser?"

caller 2: "nah, I was thinking about picking one of those up though. how'd that work out for ya?"

caller 1: "I . . . not good, my friend, not good. Do you think it's possible to bust a vein in your vagina? I'm kinda like, gushing blood everywhere here . . . "

caller 2: " . . . "

naziwatchparty: "wtf? what the hell is wrong with people???"

[Raphaella]

I did read the article and here are some highlights for people who may not wish to read all of it, but still wish to catch the gist of it. It is the wording that gets me, it gives too many loopholes and makes the judicial system completely impotent when it comes to defending the rights of the peoples the government may be spying on.

The law: Protect America Act

• Defines the act of reading and listening into American's phone calls and internet communications when they are "reasonably believed" to be outside the country as not surveillance.
  
• Gives the government 6 months of extended powers to issue orders to "communication service providers," to help with spying that "concerns persons reasonably believed to be outside the United States." The language doesn't require the surveillance to only target people outside the United States, only that some of it does.
  
• Requires the Attorney General to submit to the secret surveillance court its reasons why these programs aren't considered domestic spying programs, but the court can only throw out those reasons if it finds that they are "clearly erroneous."
  

These outposts need only to have a "significant" purpose of spying on foreigners, would be nearly immune to challenge by lawsuit, and have no court supervision over their extent or implementation.

Abuses of the outposts will be monitored only by the Justice Department, which has already been found to have underreported abuses of other surveillance powers to Congress.

[Shinju]

What if the government saw this thread, tracked us all down and hung us for treason???

[Guest Monsterking]

Then screw them

[foeofthelance]

Hmmm, probably a host of casulties, followed by massive lawsuits. Of course, how an email interceptor would track website forum posts, I don't know.

[Raphaella]

Hmmm, probably a host of casulties, followed by massive lawsuits. Of course, how an email interceptor would track website forum posts, I don't know.

By following the links that are in our e-mails, you know the ones that notify us when someone replies, or leaves us a message…

I'm not too worried about this though, I have much more pressing concerns about the reptilians emerging from the hollow earth in Nazi UFO's and demanding the world government implement Codex Alimentarius so half the world's population will starve. You know, the basics… that or the Zombie apocalypse.

[Shinju]

that or the Zombie apocalypse.

Seeing as that is the funnest (yes, I know funnest isn't a word) end of the world scenario, I like to prepare for it every day in my head.

[Guest Monsterking]

Here is an copy of the bill i have pasted onto this thread for all to see

[110th CONGRESS Senate Bills][From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access][DOCID: s1927es.txt]

[Engrossed in Senate] 110th CONGRESS 1st Session S. 1927_______________________________________________________________________ AN ACT To amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to provide additional procedures for authorizing certain acquisitions of foreign intelligence information and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the ``Protect America Act of 2007''.SEC. 2. ADDITIONAL PROCEDURE FOR AUTHORIZING CERTAIN ACQUISITIONS OF FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.) is amended by inserting after section 105 the following: ``clarification of electronic surveillance of persons outside the united states ``Sec. 105A. Nothing in the definition of electronic surveillance under section 101(f) shall be construed to encompass surveillance directed at a person reasonably believed to be located outside of the United States.``additional procedure for authorizing certain acquisitions concerning persons located outside the united states ``Sec. 105B. (a) Notwithstanding any other law, the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General, may for periods of up to one year authorize the acquisition of foreign intelligence information concerning persons reasonably believed to be outside the United States if the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General determine, based on the information provided to them, that-- ``(1) there are reasonable procedures in place for determining that the acquisition of foreign intelligence information under this section concerns persons reasonably believed to be located outside the United States, and such procedures will be subject to review of the Court pursuant to section 105C of this Act; ``(2) the acquisition does not constitute electronic surveillance; ``(3) the acquisition involves obtaining the foreign intelligence information from or with the assistance of a communications service provider, custodian, or other person (including any officer, employee, agent, or other specified person of such service provider, custodian, or other person) who has access to communications, either as they are transmitted or while they are stored, or equipment that is being or may be used to transmit or store such communications; ``(4) a significant purpose of the acquisition is to obtain foreign intelligence information; and ``(5) the minimization procedures to be used with respect to such acquisition activity meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 101(h). ``This determination shall be in the form of a written certification, under oath, supported as appropriate by affidavit of appropriate officials in the national security field occupying positions appointed by the President, by and with the consent of the Senate, or the Head of any Agency of the Intelligence Community, unless immediate action by the Government is required and time does not permit the preparation of a certification. In such a case, the determination of the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General shall be reduced to a certification as soon as possible but in no event more than 72 hours after the determination is made. ``( A certification under subsection (a) is not required to identify the specific facilities, places, premises, or property at which the acquisition of foreign intelligence information will be directed. ``© The Attorney General shall transmit as soon as practicable under seal to the court established under section 103(a) a copy of a certification made under subsection (a). Such certification shall be maintained under security measures established by the Chief Justice of the United States and the Attorney General, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, and shall remain sealed unless the certification is necessary to determine the legality of the acquisition under section 105B. ``(d) An acquisition under this section may be conducted only in accordance with the certification of the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General, or their oral instructions if time does not permit the preparation of a certification, and the minimization procedures adopted by the Attorney General. The Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General shall assess compliance with such procedures and shall report such assessments to the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives and the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate under section 108(a). ``(e) With respect to an authorization of an acquisition under section 105B, the Director of National Intelligence and Attorney General may direct a person to-- ``(1) immediately provide the Government with all information, facilities, and assistance necessary to accomplish the acquisition in such a manner as will protect the secrecy of the acquisition and produce a minimum of interference with the services that such person is providing to the target; and ``(2) maintain under security procedures approved by the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence any records concerning the acquisition or the aid furnished that such person wishes to maintain. ``(f) The Government shall compensate, at the prevailing rate, a person for providing information, facilities, or assistance pursuant to subsection (e). ``(g) In the case of a failure to comply with a directive issued pursuant to subsection (e), the Attorney General may invoke the aid of the court established under section 103(a) to compel compliance with the directive. The court shall issue an order requiring the person to comply with the directive if it finds that the directive was issued in accordance with subsection (e) and is otherwise lawful. Failure to obey an order of the court may be punished by the court as contempt of court. Any process under this section may be served in any judicial district in which the person may be found. ``(h)(1)(A) A person receiving a directive issued pursuant to subsection (e) may challenge the legality of that directive by filing a petition with the pool established under section 103(e)(1). ``(B) The presiding judge designated pursuant to section 103(B) shall assign a petition filed under subparagraph (A) to one of the judges serving in the pool established by section 103(e)(1). Not later than 48 hours after the assignment of such petition, the assigned judge shall conduct an initial review of the directive. If the assigned judge determines that the petition is frivolous, the assigned judge shall immediately deny the petition and affirm the directive or any part of the directive that is the subject of the petition. If the assigned judge determines the petition is not frivolous, the assigned judge shall, within 72 hours, consider the petition in accordance with the procedures established under section 103(e)(2) and provide a written statement for the record of the reasons for any determination under this subsection. ``(2) A judge considering a petition to modify or set aside a directive may grant such petition only if the judge finds that such directive does not meet the requirements of this section or is otherwise unlawful. If the judge does not modify or set aside the directive, the judge shall immediately affirm such directive, and order the recipient to comply with such directive. ``(3) Any directive not explicitly modified or set aside under this subsection shall remain in full effect. ``(i) The Government or a person receiving a directive reviewed pursuant to subsection (h) may file a petition with the Court of Review established under section 103(B) for review of the decision issued pursuant to subsection (h) not later than 7 days after the issuance of such decision. Such court of review shall have jurisdiction to consider such petitions and shall provide for the record a written statement of the reasons for its decision. On petition for a writ of certiorari by the Government or any person receiving such directive, the record shall be transmitted under seal to the Supreme Court, which shall have jurisdiction to review such decision. ``(j) Judicial proceedings under this section shall be concluded as expeditiously as possible. The record of proceedings, including petitions filed, orders granted, and statements of reasons for decision, shall be maintained under security measures established by the Chief Justice of the United States, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence. ``(k) All petitions under this section shall be filed under seal. In any proceedings under this section, the court shall, upon request of the Government, review ex parte and in camera any Government submission, or portions of a submission, which may include classified information. ``(l) Notwithstanding any other law, no cause of action shall lie in any court against any person for providing any information, facilities, or assistance in accordance with a directive under this section. ``(m) A directive made or an order granted under this section shall be retained for a period of not less than 10 years from the date on which such directive or such order is made.''.SEC. 3. SUBMISSION TO COURT REVIEW AND ASSESSMENT OF PROCEDURES. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.) is amended by inserting after section 105B the following: ``submission to court review of procedures ``Sec. 105C. (a) No later than 120 days after the effective date of this Act, the Attorney General shall submit to the Court established under section 103(a), the procedures by which the Government determines that acquisitions conducted pursuant to section 105B do not constitute electronic surveillance. The procedures submitted pursuant to this section shall be updated and submitted to the Court on an annual basis. ``(B) No later than 180 days after the effective date of this Act, the court established under section 103(a) shall assess the Government's determination under section 105B(a)(1) that those procedures are reasonably designed to ensure that acquisitions conducted pursuant to section 105B do not constitute electronic surveillance. The court's review shall be limited to whether the Government's determination is clearly erroneous. ``© If the court concludes that the determination is not clearly erroneous, it shall enter an order approving the continued use of such procedures. If the court concludes that the determination is clearly erroneous, it shall issue an order directing the Government to submit new procedures within 30 days or cease any acquisitions under section 105B that are implicated by the court's order. ``(d) The Government may appeal any order issued under subsection © to the court established under section 103(B). If such court determines that the order was properly entered, the court shall immediately provide for the record a written statement of each reason for its decision, and, on petition of the United States for a writ of certiorari, the record shall be transmitted under seal to the Supreme Court of the United States, which shall have jurisdiction to review such decision. Any acquisitions affected by the order issued under subsection © of this section may continue during the pendency of any appeal, the period during which a petition for writ of certiorari may be pending, and any review by the Supreme Court of the United States.''.SEC. 4. REPORTING TO CONGRESS. On a semi-annual basis the Attorney General shall inform the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate, the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives, the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate, and the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives, concerning acquisitions under this section during the previous 6-month period. Each report made under this section shall include-- (1) a description of any incidents of non-compliance with a directive issued by the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence under section 105B, to include-- (A) incidents of non-compliance by an element of the Intelligence Community with guidelines or procedures established for determining that the acquisition of foreign intelligence authorized by the Attorney General and Director of National Intelligence concerns persons reasonably to be outside the United States; and (B) incidents of noncompliance by a specified person to whom the Attorney General and Director of National Intelligence issue a directive under this section; and (2) the number of certifications and directives issued during the reporting period.SEC. 5. TECHNICAL AMENDMENT AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS. (a) In General.--Section 103(e) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1803(e)) is amended-- (1) in paragraph (1), by striking ``501(f)(1)'' and inserting ``105B(h) or 501(f)(1)''; and (2) in paragraph (2), by striking ``501(f)(1)'' and inserting ``105B(h) or 501(f)(1)''. (B) Table of Contents.--The table of contents in the first section of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.) is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 105 the following:``105A. Clarification of electronic surveillance of persons outside the United States.``105B. Additional procedure for authorizing certain acquisitions concerning persons located outside the United States.``105C. Submission to court review of procedures.''.SEC. 6. EFFECTIVE DATE; TRANSITION PROCEDURES. (a) Effective Date.--Except as otherwise provided, the amendments made by this Act shall take effect immediately after the date of the enactment of this Act. (B) Transition Procedures.--Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, any order in effect on the date of enactment of this Act issued pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.) shall remain in effect until the date of expiration of such order, and, at the request of the applicant, the court established under section 103(a) of such Act (50 U.S.C. 1803(a)) shall reauthorize such order as long as the facts and circumstances continue to justify issuance of such order under the provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, as in effect on the day before the applicable effective date of this Act. The Government also may file new applications, and the court established under section 103(a) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1803(a)) shall enter orders granting such applications pursuant to such Act, as long as the application meets the requirements set forth under the provisions of such Act as in effect on the day before the effective date of this Act. At the request of the applicant, the court established under section 103(a) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1803(a)), shall extinguish any extant authorization to conduct electronic surveillance or physical search entered pursuant to such Act. Any surveillance conducted pursuant to an order entered under this subsection shall be subject to the provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.), as in effect on the day before the effective date of this Act. © Sunset.--Except as provided in subsection (d), sections 2, 3, 4, and 5 of this Act, and the amendments made by this Act, shall cease to have effect 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act. (d) Authorizations in Effect.--Authorizations for the acquisition of foreign intelligence information pursuant to the amendments made by this Act, and directives issued pursuant to such authorizations, shall remain in effect until their expiration. Such acquisitions shall be governed by the applicable provisions of such amendments and shall not be deemed to constitute electronic surveillance as that term is defined in section 101(f) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801(f)). Passed the Senate August 3, 2007. Attest: Secretary.110th CONGRESS 1st Session S. 1927_______________________________________________________________________ AN ACT To amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to provide additional procedures for authorizing certain acquisitions of foreign intelligence information and for other purposes.