My Sob Story for the Week

[shinigamiinochi]

I joined fanfiction.net as an author many months ago. Despite the fact that adult content was not allowed there, I decided to post my non adult work, which is very few. I mentioned in my profile that I had adult work elsewhere and a reader said that people all over the archive had adult work and that it was ok, as long as there were warnings for it. So, like an idiot, I did as advised and got a bunch of readers for my work. Tonight, I got a message from fanfiction.net that one of my stories had been deleted for content. So, obviously these other readers got away with it, but I didn't. Am I going to act like a vindictive bitch and find these people and tell on them? No. However, I did just finish deleting any works with sex and extreme violence in them, which broke my heart in a way that only a fellow author could possibly understand. I'm sure those that signed up for updates on those fics, especially for The Road to Kindness, are going to be pissed about it.

I could go on and on about the evils of censorship and how I loathe fanfiction.net, and even how much I love adult-fanfiction.org (you guys rock!), but I am mainly here to ask if anyone knows of another site where I can post very graphic, yaoi, Gundam Wing fanfiction, preferrably a place where I can update my work on my own, but not necessary. Any help is appreciated.

[Kamenjin]

I wouldn't call you the idiot, you just took someone's advice, and it turned out to be wrong. I'd call the person who misinformed you the idiot, because this person is going around spreading information that is just not true. Sure, some people slide under the radar, and more power to them for beating FFnet's censorship, but at the same time, teling people it's FFnet's policy to allow it if it's labelled properly is just wrong of them.

[taziekins]

I used to be a member on a forum for tyka shippers, and believe me, as long as it was tyka they had an "anything goes" policy. Maybe there are similar forums out there for Gundam? I like the gundam seed anime btw, but haven't seen any of the rest. Could you send me links to your fics sometime?

[shinigamiinochi]

Here's my author's page on this site:

http://anime2.adult-fanfiction.org/authors.php?no=1296834503

Gundam Wing is an old fandom, so there aren't a lot of new sites for it. Most of the archives are by invite only (which I will never get). The last time I was in a web ring, I was wrongfully accused (despite the blatant impossibility of my doing this) of plagariazing, so I don't want to go through an aggrievance like that again. I did a search for gundam wing archives, but have yet to find one like gundam wing universe, where you can just post your own stuff, no matter where you are.

I used to think of my stuff as non graphic, because I've read far worse, but apparently, my readers don't agree >.> Oh, yeah, and Gundam Wing was the best Gundam in my opinion. It was one of the more serious ones. I tried to get into Gundam Seed, but it never clicked for me, probably because I was watching the Cartoon Network version. But, the Gundam Wing fandom is one of those lovely fandoms where all the het fics are labelled 'NOT yaoi', because the yaoi fandom is so much bigger than the het one (it's an anime where the main characters are five, attractive, teenage guys, so naturally people are going to go there). I think I'm cursed, really. Two of the sites I used to post at have died.

[thenighting-gale]

I used to post on fanfiction...and the person who told you that you could post adult material was right and wrong, you can until someone reports you. Fanfiction is....not a happy place. I won't post there anymore, and I removed all my old stuff a long time ago because of their attitudes. Its messed up. Someone got nasty and tattled. You poor thing D:

[taziekins]

Cheers for the link, that's going in my fave's section. Now I need to watch Gundam Wing so the characters actually make sense (I'm so behind the anime times). Yeah I don't post on FF anymore either, and shame on them (whoever it was) for tattling on you!

Edited November 30, 2008 by taziekins

[shinigamiinochi]

^^ Thank you. I'm going to keep my poetry on there, but I'm probably never going to update on ff.net again.

[taziekins]

Me neither, especially since (in my oppinion) my work from back then is crap.

[draygon_icewing]

I personally have never had a problem with FF.nets censorship. As long as I mark it as Mature or for 16+ I have had no problem. That was also the first place I published including a poorly contrived site called Fandomination.com. Stay away from it since its for horrid writers and fan girls alike.

[MorbidFantasy]

FF.net is like the Junior/Kiddy/Underage/Politically Correct little sister of AFF. I started out reading stuff on FF, before realizing that what I was looking for (BDSM, non-con) can't really be found there, which eventually led me to finding AFF. I suppose it's all part of growing up.

I think people are more likely to report you for supposed "violations" on FF because they're a whole lot more softcore than AFF (hence the ADULT fanfiction). People who come here are usually prepared to read whatever steamy sick shit we shurn out, but on FF there are actually young kiddies that could be scarred by some of the stuff we think up here XD

[Guest StSE]

I'll be straight. Almost half of my FF stuff is very mature. But a while back, when I was unsure of a piece's rating/acceptability - I sent the chapter DIRECTLY to administration before I published it. Yes, it was 'hot' - but admin had no problem, just told me to rate it 'M'..

So now, half my stuff is 'M' on there. No issues. Though when I started writing REALLY intense sexual scenes (ok, I'll admit. An ENTIRE story that's basically got 'sex' in 90% of it's chapters) I just linked it from my FF profile to here, and published it here.

[The Pairing Guy]

FF.net is like the Junior/Kiddy/Underage/Politically Correct little sister of AFF.

This is so untrue that it's not even funny. All AFF has is the smut and darkfic - which, believe it or not, the overwhelming majority of adults do not want to read. (I have five friends who also read fanfic, and of the six of us, I'm the only one who would touch a porn fic with a ten foot pole.) FF.net is everything else.

Be honest: FF.net basically is online fan fiction. AFF is just the little niche corner for us desperate perverts.

There's nothing wrong with being a part of AFF.net. You don't need to justify yourself by spewing BS about the only alternative being "Junior/Kiddy/Underage/Politically Correct".

[The Pairing Guy]

I wouldn't call you the idiot, you just took someone's advice, and it turned out to be wrong.

Actually, with all due respect, shinigami IS the idiot. Fanfiction.net has rules which clearly state which type of works they do not allow. You are required to read and agree to these rules when you register with them, and read and agree to them again when you post a story there. Since he's posting here, shinigami is obviously not illiterate. So why was he relying on a friend to tell him what those rules say?

shinigami, I'm not trying to insult you. It just pisses me off when people say "How dare those people warn/censor/ban me just because I agreed to their rules and then immediately violated them in blatant fashion?"

[Guest StSE]

This is so untrue that it's not even funny. All AFF has is the smut and darkfic - which, believe it or not, the overwhelming majority of adults do not want to read.

Disagree with you on this one. Just look at the popularity of the fiction 'love' novels, most of which DO have hot sex scenes in them - over sales figures of all other fiction novels. What the majority of adults want to read, is a fanfiction with a PLOT. If there's smut in there, it's great as long as it flows smoothly with a plot. I've got tons of readers who've favorited/alerted my FF 'M' rated tales, and review the non-smut chapters along with the periodic smut chapter. But then my average story is 20 chapters long, with maybe 2-5 chapters that are 'hot'.

But most AFF tales do not really have much plot. They are short fics of pure smut. (mine excluded)..

Though it is true. You MUST accept the policies of FF to publish a new story. And it DOES take a multitude of reports on an author in order to get them banned. (It took 30 different reports and one week - to get a malicious plagiarist troll that was attacking me banned).. So it wasn't like one or two authors/readers got you banned. You had to REALLY be breaking the rules for enough to report you in a short enough time period! One or two reports every now-and-then won't do it.... (I'm sure have had a couple flamers report me - but I'm still there. Granted, I do contact admin directly when posting a new story in order to make sure it's acceptable as an 'M')

[The Pairing Guy]

Disagree with you on this one. Just look at the popularity of the fiction 'love' novels, most of which DO have hot sex scenes in them - over sales figures of all other fiction novels. What the majority of adults want to read, is a fanfiction with a PLOT. If there's smut in there, it's great as long as it flows smoothly with a plot.

I wasn't talking about smut as a story element, I was talking about smut as a genre. Generally speaking, people want sex scenes in those novels because sex is an important part of romantic relationships, not because they like reading about other people having sex. They buy those novels for the romance, not for the sex scenes.

People come to AFF for Darkfic and sex scenes(not saying there isn't anything else, but you really have to look for it), if you're looking for anything else you'll have much better luck at FF.net.

[MorbidFantasy]

This is so untrue that it's not even funny. All AFF has is the smut and darkfic - which, believe it or not, the overwhelming majority of adults do not want to read. (I have five friends who also read fanfic, and of the six of us, I'm the only one who would touch a porn fic with a ten foot pole.) FF.net is everything else.

Be honest: FF.net basically is online fan fiction. AFF is just the little niche corner for us desperate perverts.

There's nothing wrong with being a part of AFF.net. You don't need to justify yourself by spewing BS about the only alternative being "Junior/Kiddy/Underage/Politically Correct".

You made for a convincing argument until you labeled my POV as BS, after which I dismissed you as an ass. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a little mutual respect makes for stronger presentation.

overwhelming majority? let's get th is straight. The majority of adults do not read fanfiction AT ALL. Fanfiction itself is already a niche corner, and you'd be deluding yourself to think otherwise.

How old are you? I seem to recall that to be on AFF you have to be at least 18 (or lied about your age). This also calls into question the average age of readership for both FF.net and AFF.net, which I'm pretty sure you have no way of knowing. AFF is a indeed a niche corner for us perverts, and I don't need to justify my motives for being here, but saying in one fell swoop that EVERYTHING here is smut/darkfic is an insult to all the authors who's creativity and spent time have produced some very admirable pieces.

Example:

http://naruto.adult-fanfiction.org/story.ph...1&chapter=1

this is a story with 35000+ views that as of status quo does not have a single sex scene in there. It could just as well be on FF.net. I've come across many beautifully written fanfics on AFF that have almost no sex in them, but have enough mature themes that they rightfully belong on AFF. Don't get me wrong about the Junior-PC comment on FF.net. I have nothing against FF.net, I was commenting on the review staff as being more stringent on what they allow on the site.

Everyone has his/her own reason for going to FF or AFF, some of which is inevitably sexual motives. AFF is the logical choice for posting smut/darkfic (hence the ADULT). It's an extension of FF to encompass everything that FF staff would've thrown out PLUS anything FF allows.

[The Pairing Guy]

You made for a convincing argument until you labeled my POV as BS, after which I dismissed you as an ass. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a little mutual respect makes for stronger presentation.

Sorry, but there's no way you can make me believe that you've read stuff at FF.net and believe that it's "Junior/Kiddy/Underage/Politically Correct". No one is that stupid. Either you lied about having read anything on FF.net, or you read stuff there and lied about what the content is. Either way, that is BS.

If you want respect, EARN IT. Spewing out malicious lies and then getting upset when someone calls you on it is childish.

overwhelming majority? let's get th is straight. The majority of adults do not read fanfiction AT ALL. Fanfiction itself is already a niche corner, and you'd be deluding yourself to think otherwise.

Um, dude, we were talking about adults who read fanfiction. And the difference between two fanfiction sites. I made that very clear: "I have five friends who also read fanfic,"(note the underlined word) Why are you bringing up adults who don't read fanfiction? ...Oh, I see, you just wanted to make it out like I was arguing that most adults read fanfiction.

How old are you? I seem to recall that to be on AFF you have to be at least 18 (or lied about your age). This also calls into question the average age of readership for both FF.net and AFF.net, which I'm pretty sure you have no way of knowing.

I don't see how my age, or the average age of the readerships, have to do with any of this. You're going to have to explain yourself here.

AFF is a indeed a niche corner for us perverts, and I don't need to justify my motives for being here, but saying in one fell swoop that EVERYTHING here is smut/darkfic is an insult to all the authors who's creativity and spent time have produced some very admirable pieces.

And I not only never said that, I very explicitly said the opposite: "People come to AFF for Darkfic and sex scenes(not saying there isn't anything else, but you really have to look for it)"

So that's twice in one post that you lied about what I said. You're not doing a good job of earning mutual respect, or even showing that you're entitled to your opinion.

[MorbidFantasy]

Sorry, but there's no way you can make me believe that you've read stuff at FF.net and believe that it's "Junior/Kiddy/Underage/Politically Correct". No one is that stupid. Either you lied about having read anything on FF.net, or you read stuff there and lied about what the content is. Either way, that is BS.

If you want respect, EARN IT. Spewing out malicious lies and then getting upset when someone calls you on it is childish.

Um, dude, we were talking about adults who read fanfiction. And the difference between two fanfiction sites. I made that very clear: "I have five friends who also read fanfic,"(note the underlined word) Why are you bringing up adults who don't read fanfiction? ...Oh, I see, you just wanted to make it out like I was arguing that most adults read fanfiction.

I don't see how my age, or the average age of the readerships, have to do with any of this. You're going to have to explain yourself here.

And I not only never said that, I very explicitly said the opposite: "People come to AFF for Darkfic and sex scenes(not saying there isn't anything else, but you really have to look for it)"

So that's twice in one post that you lied about what I said. You're not doing a good job of earning mutual respect, or even showing that you're entitled to your opinion.

First you label my opinion BS, then you call it malicious lies. But I digress. I'm not upset, anyone who gets upset over an argument on a forum is taking themselves too seriously. When I label you an ass, I do it with no hostility, which means I acknowledge the fact that you have a different opinion than mine but think your way of arguing it is uncouth and immature.

I spent the better part of four years reading FF before AFF supplanted it. I know what there is to be offered. I was comparing the level of mature/dark content of AFF to FF when I labeled the later J/K/U/PC. You can't deny that a larger percentage of FF writing is more light hearted and less morbid than AFF. I'm pretty sure any of my fics would probably be banned if I posted them there. I have no need to earn respect on a forum. It hardly registers on my list of life goals.

You said an overwhelming majority of adults to not want to read dark fic and smut. What part of my post refuted that? I was just commenting that most adults to not want to read fanfiction at all, so you're making your case out to be more important than it really is. What you really mean is that out of the MINORITY of adults who read fanfiction, most do not want to read dark fic or smut. It's a rather moot point. We all have our preferences.

And regarding the age issue, I concede that point. I misread your comment. I thought what you said was that you and several of your friends all read AFF, and you were the only legal one. In that I apologize.

You said, and I quote, "AFF is just the little niche corner for us desperate perverts." Which sort of seals the deal that you think that's all we want and find here. If you meant otherwise, you certainly didn't give off the impression. You can't do a 180 on yourself and say you meant the exact opposite. Logic doesn't work like that.

My conclusion. I misinterpreted one of your sentences in my reading haste, but I have no idea where you came up with the number of 2 for times I lied about what you said. That's simply absurd. Everything you wrote is for all to see here, so it'd be pretty hard to claim otherwise.

This is a community forum. Mutual respect shouldn't have to be earned, it should be a basis with which to treat each others. What does happen is you can LOSE that respect from your fellow peers for being belligerent and confrontational with no good cause. From what I can gather I'm not the only one that you attacked on this thread, and so far I haven't seen anyone agree with your point of view.

Scoreboard:

Morbidfantasy: 2

The Paring Guy: 0

[Guest StSE]

Ok you two. First of all - THIS is how I FOUND FF!

Google search term: Transformers XXX

Search result: five different URLs all leading straight to FF.

And to be honest, the content from those five stories (all published on FF 2-4 years ago, and still there!) was HOTTER than some of the stuff in the TF fandom here. Hell, it's hotter than what I write!!!! So YES, there's plenty of 'porn fanfic' on FF - and it's actually very easy for the public to find!

How'd I find AFF? When mutual fans of an author here - noticed her flagrantly plagiarizing one of my stories off FF. Yes, the 'smut scenes' there were more than hot enough for fans here!

So yes, FF is filled with as much - or possibly even more - smut than AFF. It's just there's less of the 'non-smut' stuff here...

[draygon_icewing]

This is very true. However, minors looking for a cheap thrill can access the stories on FF.net where as here we try to protect their fragile little minds...and our fragile little asses from sueage.

[MorbidFantasy]

yeah, I admit I shouldn't have inferred that EVERYTHING on FF was clean n squeeky. I think what I did find was that it was hard finding good het non-con there, which was a big factor in me finding AFF. It think some author had mentioned there that he posted his more extreme fics here, so I jumped here.

[Xenobia]

I've had no problems there so far, but I remember leaving because of censorship. It's been so long I can hardly recall everything. I put fanfictiion up there because I get feedback. Granted, it's usually "I like this, keep going" feedback but since my preferred sites are now composed of people that never review, I take it to mean I'm doing well.

*hint* if you read a story you like, say something. It will be appreciated and the author will most likely improve.

[The Pairing Guy]

You said an overwhelming majority of adults to not want to read dark fic and smut. What part of my post refuted that? I was just commenting that most adults to not want to read fanfiction at all, so you're making your case out to be more important than it really is.

I don't see how. You made AFF out to be the fan fiction site. The fact that even most fanfic reading adults aren't interested in the chief genres presented here refutes that.

You said, and I quote, "AFF is just the little niche corner for us desperate perverts." Which sort of seals the deal that you think that's all we want and find here.

No, it doesn't. It seals the deal that I think you wouldn't come here if you didn't want smut or Darkfic. During my time here, I've browsed some of the AFF categories in full, and some of them have not even one story that isn't smut or Darkfic. Chrono Trigger, Golden Sun, Dark Savior, and Riviera are four examples. So tell me, if someone is a Golden Sun fanatic, why would he come to AFF unless he's a desperate pervert?

And if you really thought my saying "(not saying there isn't anything else, but you really have to look for it)" was a 180, why didn't you mention that in your last post instead of just bringing up the one of those two statements which struck you as completely stupid? That's just looking for something to attack.

This is a community forum. Mutual respect shouldn't have to be earned, it should be a basis with which to treat each others. What does happen is you can LOSE that respect from your fellow peers for being belligerent and confrontational with no good cause.

You can also lose it by posting blatant lies, which is what you did. And I do consider that good cause to be belligerent and confrontational. I'll admit that it's probably not the best thing, and that it would have been better if I hadn't lost my temper, but I consider what you posted to be reasonable cause. Let me ask you this: If someone posted on an FF.net forum that "AFF is the loser/wanking/40-year-old virgin/bald pervert version of FF.net", would you be cool with that?

From what I can gather I'm not the only one that you attacked on this thread, and so far I haven't seen anyone agree with your point of view.

Okay, this is sad. Really sad. Whenever you see someone say those cliched words, "I haven't seen anyone agree with your point of view.", you know they've lost the argument but still won't let it drop. One of the most ironic things about that statement is that usually no one has been voicing agreement with the person who says it, either. As is the case here.

[MorbidFantasy]

I'm gonna play the bigger man and walk away from this. There's no point winning the same argument twice.

[shinigamiinochi]

well, I have yet to see any surveys or experiments solely revolving around fanfiction readers, so you can't say that it's a 'fact', only what you believe, and stating that five of your friends aren't interested in something is not a statistic. Most people surround themselves with friends that think like they think, so it's hardly a compelling argument. However, the sale of 'non-vanilla' or 'extreme' pornography is a pretty good selling point, at least in America. In the hentai world, the more graphic the hentai, the greater the sell. Sales for vanilla pornography don't do very well in most places. The problem with ff.net is that there is no age requirement, so you get a lot of underseasoned authors. I read a ton of fics there and it takes a very long time for me to find a well written one because there's so many younger authors who haven't practiced their art long enough. That's not to say that this site doesn't have the same problem, but because of the need for 18+ aged members, there are less authors and thus less to weed through to find a good work.

My biggest problem with ff.net is the censorship. It's not that there isn't mature work there, it's that the rule for what can be there is so vague, it's hard to define what is appropriate. Censorship makes authors temper their work. It's like a painter who has to second guess every color he/she uses. I like to free write, what I want, when I want, otherwise, it feels more like a school project than something I enjoy. That's what I love about aff. It doesn't matter about the sex, I just feel like I have more freedom here.

That doesn't mean that aff doesn't have it's share of problems. There's a smaller readership and fewer reviews. I like ff.net's 'favorite author/story alert' ideas, because even without reviews, it gives the author an idea of who is reading. But, the reviews I get here actually sound more mature. Most of what I get on ff.net is 'continue' or 'I liked it'. I've also gotten more flames on ff.net than aff based on homophobia. I feel like there's a little bit more respect here, because people know that there are a lot of mature themes here. I know that I have the chance to stumble across something that I don't agree with, but since this is an adult web site, I know I must act like an adult around those things. Ff.net on the other hand feels like a lot of authors get offended very easily. However, there also quite a few wonderful authors on ff.net, too, at least in the Gundam Wing fandom that I read and I enjoy ff.net for that, because I get that not all great authors are 18+. I just wish that ff.net had an affiliate site for those of us who can handle mature themes.

I started reading 'adult' works when I was twelve and it never destroyed me. It was what got me started in fanfiction in the first place, though I do get that there should be a barrier between kids and what we do as adults, I just also think that the kids that know what they are being protected from should have a choice. I don't like that ff.net didn't give an alternative, or define what is acceptable beyond 'mature themes' which can be anything from sex to getting shot in the head, yet the other ratings give slightly better definitions. They should have created a sister site so the people whose works got deleted didn't feel like they were being cast out as something undesirable. Ff.net is 'soft core' simply because their is no such thing as total freedom when you post there. Sure, there are some mature things, but when you feel like you're under 'big brother's eye', how can you not second guess what you write, or at least not be afraid that one day you'll get deleted? I love ff.net and aff for different reasons, I think they're great fanfiction archives, but they both have problems, like any archive.

Until you can prove, with documented facts, that most adults don't like hard core smut, saying that they don't is a lie. Here is a fact: more people read my hard core work here than my softer fics on ff.net. Hell, the fic I have with the most hits is an anthology based on nothing but sex. Now, I can't speculate what that fact means without delving further into readership and other statistics, but it is a fact. You can't dispute facts as a rule. You can dispute the conclusions we make through facts, however, and I dispute that your friends not liking hard core means that a majority of adults don't like it, because I just don't see that. It doesn't mean that a majority of adults do like hard core, either. I have twelve friends, plus my cousin, his husband, his ten brothers, and my cousin's friends, all different ages from all around the world, who all love hard core smut and visit sites like aff and buy extreme porn. Does this mean that a majority like that sort of thing? No, it doesn't, I'm just making a point that personal statistics hardly make up fact. If you want to attempt to create a statistic for backing up your idea, go out into the real world and make a blind study. It'll be much more compelling than 'well, my friends think this way.' Blind is always more realistic than personal when it comes to creating a theory.

Morbidfantasy is right, you're coming to a forum and attacking the site based on things that are not fact, but your personal beliefs, which you have yet to have any real evidence to back up with. You're being very disrespectful by calling us all perverts. It's just as bad as saying that 'everyone' that goes to ff.net is a child. When you say that everyone who visits this site just likes smut and are perverts, you sound like a troll and you're not exactly making anyone see your point of view by parading your beliefs as fact when you have no real proof at all. I don't hate ff.net and I don't hate aff, I like and dislike things from both sites, but you just sound like ff.net is so great and aff is some porno site that caters to degenerates. Not exactly winning over any sympathy here. Did you really think that bashing a site that you're currently visiting is going to get a bunch people saying 'mm, hm, you know what, you're right!' We're here for a reason, and so are you. If you think that aff is just for perverts, then what are you doing here anyway?