[No Longer a "Misc" Story]

Understood. I appreciate all the work you guys have to do in running a site like this.

[No Longer a "Misc" Story]

Unfortunately, the author in question hasn't posted any new stories, updates, edits, review replies, etc. since the day he joined AFF dot net. And that was well over two years ago.

So, I think it's safe to say that the author isn't active on this site anymore. I would have asked him to move the story himself otherwise, honest.

[No Longer a "Misc" Story]

http://games.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600081648

This Shining Force story has been in Misc Video Games/RPGs > General for a long time. Now that there's a section specifically for Shining Force stories, can we have it moved there?

[Minor fun]

There's "Babysitter Sister" by amnimal, which is about a high school girl who has sex with multiple elementary school boys, including her brother. So it's a story with both minor and incest! How's that for service? I highly recommend that one, it's both hot and laugh-out-loud funny.

Another great incest fic is "Sins of the Flesh" by Morindin. It's a fan fic, not an original, but you really don't have to have played the game to understand the story.

If your still looking for more after that, "My Brother's Cock"(no, it's not about a farming family) is another minor/incest combo. It's pretty good, but not as recommended as the other two.

[Shining Force TRADE]

Wow... over a year and a half on and you're still looking for someone to write this?

It stinks that there isn't more Shining Force fiction on this site in general. They're good games, and more importantly, they have TONS of characters, which means hundreds of possible pairings and threesomes, probably even thousands(I'm not doing the math to figure it out). I've thought about writing one myself, but judging by the reviews for the one Shining Force fic on this site, there's not much of a readership for it.

One thing: You say "within reason, no really gross stuff" in the same post where you're asking for a lemon between a woman and a female centaur! Pretty much the only way you can get grosser than that is by making it a threesome with a giant beetle!

Hilariousness aside, you should always be specific about what you're willing and not willing to write. What's "really gross" to you might seem completely tame to someone else, and vice versa.

[Shameless Self Plug]

Haven't we got a "Promote Your Story" board for this?

[Here to improve writing skills - or for an ego boost?]

Yeah, there are definitely plenty of writers here who are genuinely willing to improve. I'd say most, but I'm not absolutely sure. There are of course some guys just here for the ego boost, and because AFF lets you delete any reviews you get, you can't tell which ones are. Most stories here you see only positive reviews for, but I think for most of them that's because they only got reviews in the first place.

I can't deny that I really like the ego boost, but I always accept the criticism. Even if it's not helpful, like if someone says that a character would act one way and I think he's completely wrong, or if someone wants me to put the characters in a sexual situation that I don't want to write, I like at least knowing what people look for. It's interesting to know what the readers are thinking.

[My Sob Story for the Week]

I'm afraid you misunderstood how much weight I was putting on the fact that my reader friends don't like smut. I take it as common knowledge that most adult readers don't like smut, and just threw out my own experience for personal flavor.

Somewhat off the subject, I'm starting to notice a curious trend about bulletin boards. If someone posts something like that without evidence, people generally leave it with "Of course, yes, that's obvious." But when something equally obvious is posted with some piece of evidence, someone inevitably jumps on it, "That's not proof, you've got no real evidence for that." So it's better to not state your evidence unless you absolutely have to.

Most people surround themselves with friends that think like they think, so it's hardly a compelling argument.

You're going to have to explain this to me, because I think this is exactly what makes it a compelling argument. If most people like smut, shouldn't I be able to find people like that to be my friends? Why is it that the only people I can find as friends are people who think it's deplorable for me to even read smut, never mind write it and extol its virtues?

But, the reviews I get here actually sound more mature. Most of what I get on ff.net is 'continue' or 'I liked it'. I've also gotten more flames on ff.net than aff based on homophobia.

This is probably due to the type of stuff you write. I like reading the reviews on both sites, and loathe though I am to admit it, if anything the reviews on FF.net are more mature. The two sites are about equal as far as reviewing goes, I think.

They should have created a sister site so the people whose works got deleted didn't feel like they were being cast out as something undesirable.

Probably by the time FF.net was big enough to create a sister site, AFF already existed so there was no real point in having one. Isn't AFF almost as old as FF.net?

Here is a fact: more people read my hard core work here than my softer fics on ff.net. Hell, the fic I have with the most hits is an anthology based on nothing but sex. Now, I can't speculate what that fact means without delving further into readership and other statistics, but it is a fact.

I don't see how you could know that's a fact, since AFF only reports hits, not unique visitors. And there's two major problems with hit counts.

One, people re-read sex scenes a lot more than other fiction. A reader who likes your AFF fic can be expected to revisit it at least 20 times. Surely you've noticed that the more chapters of a fic that have sex scenes, the more hits? This is because people revisit the chapters with sex in them and not the others. I do this myself. On FF.net, once you've read a story, you've read it. Even if it's one of your favorites, you'll probably only poke at it now and then. So at a rough estimate, 1 hit on FF.net is equal to 80 hits on AFF.

Two, FF.net has a different reader/writer ratio than AFF. A person doesn't come to AFF unless he likes reading the stuff. On FF.net you get kids who type something up during a lull in homework and post it just for kicks or because they think they'll be an instant star, and never give a thought to reading other people's stuff. This creates more fics to divert the attention of FF.net's pool of readers. On AFF you've got fewer readers, but they're chasing a MUCH smaller pool of fics.

When you say that everyone who visits this site just likes smut and are perverts, you sound like a troll and you're not exactly making anyone see your point of view by parading your beliefs as fact when you have no real proof at all. I don't hate ff.net and I don't hate aff, I like and dislike things from both sites, but you just sound like ff.net is so great and aff is some porno site that caters to degenerates. Not exactly winning over any sympathy here. Did you really think that bashing a site that you're currently visiting is going to get a bunch people saying 'mm, hm, you know what, you're right!' We're here for a reason, and so are you. If you think that aff is just for perverts, then what are you doing here anyway?

Because as I've already said, I'm a pervert and proud of it. And somehow I thought that the bulletin board for a website where over 90% of the fics are smut was a safe haven for perverts. I didn't realize that purveyors of such fic are unwelcome here and that the very word "pervert" is considered shameful.

I never bashed the site; I was making up a hypothetical scenario where someone on FF.net bashed the site. On the contrary, I said that this site is good enough that we don't need to bash FF.net to make ourselves feel good about AFF.

If I "have no real proof at all", then would you kindly point me to the non-smut/Darkfic tales in the Golden Sun and Riviera sections? I would like to read them.

I'm gonna play the bigger man and walk away from this.

The bigger man never says "I'm the bigger man." Just so you know.

There's no point winning the same argument twice.

I don't call distorting the other person's statements and making textbook argument flaws(look up "the silent majority") to be "winning the argument".

On a final note, from the April 2008 AFF update: "We're confident that these will vastly improve everyone's AFF experience, and, hopefully, keep it as cheap as the smut we strive to perpetuate." So excuse me for thinking AFF is a site for smut just because the people who own the place say that it is.

[...They forgot?]

If there's one thing in a review that irks me is when the reviewer starts writing about things that don't have anything to do with the story in SOME way...such as talking about WHY they didn't review the last chapter, going into detail about their personal life, telling me that they're sick today and all that. I don't mind people coming to me with this stuff, but perhaps an IM or an email would be better suited than my review page. I've gotten reviews that are extremely long (I love long reviews, but only when they pertain to my story) but they're only about some pointless stuff and then maybe a "good story, update soon" tagged at the end.

Oh yeah, hate those. I haven't gotten any yet, but what annoys me is when I'm reading a fic and the author leaves some random personal notes at the end, and someone reviews with

"Wow, so the feds are coming after your cousin? Yeah, he really does have issues. Poor guy, I hope you help him pull through his problems. You know, I have a friend who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows someone in the government, so maybe I can have him put in a good word about your cousin or something. And tell Freddy to stay off the crack, that stuff is seriously bad for you.

Great chapter, update soon!"

...And then the author replies to the reviewer, not with an e-mail or a PM or whatever, but in the author's notes at the beginning of the next chapter! All I can do is cry and say "I just came here to read some stories..."

[Challenge in Chrono Trigger]

This one was just published.

http://games.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600083853

[My Sob Story for the Week]

You said an overwhelming majority of adults to not want to read dark fic and smut. What part of my post refuted that? I was just commenting that most adults to not want to read fanfiction at all, so you're making your case out to be more important than it really is.

I don't see how. You made AFF out to be the fan fiction site. The fact that even most fanfic reading adults aren't interested in the chief genres presented here refutes that.

You said, and I quote, "AFF is just the little niche corner for us desperate perverts." Which sort of seals the deal that you think that's all we want and find here.

No, it doesn't. It seals the deal that I think you wouldn't come here if you didn't want smut or Darkfic. During my time here, I've browsed some of the AFF categories in full, and some of them have not even one story that isn't smut or Darkfic. Chrono Trigger, Golden Sun, Dark Savior, and Riviera are four examples. So tell me, if someone is a Golden Sun fanatic, why would he come to AFF unless he's a desperate pervert?

And if you really thought my saying "(not saying there isn't anything else, but you really have to look for it)" was a 180, why didn't you mention that in your last post instead of just bringing up the one of those two statements which struck you as completely stupid? That's just looking for something to attack.

This is a community forum. Mutual respect shouldn't have to be earned, it should be a basis with which to treat each others. What does happen is you can LOSE that respect from your fellow peers for being belligerent and confrontational with no good cause.

You can also lose it by posting blatant lies, which is what you did. And I do consider that good cause to be belligerent and confrontational. I'll admit that it's probably not the best thing, and that it would have been better if I hadn't lost my temper, but I consider what you posted to be reasonable cause. Let me ask you this: If someone posted on an FF.net forum that "AFF is the loser/wanking/40-year-old virgin/bald pervert version of FF.net", would you be cool with that?

From what I can gather I'm not the only one that you attacked on this thread, and so far I haven't seen anyone agree with your point of view.

Okay, this is sad. Really sad. Whenever you see someone say those cliched words, "I haven't seen anyone agree with your point of view.", you know they've lost the argument but still won't let it drop. One of the most ironic things about that statement is that usually no one has been voicing agreement with the person who says it, either. As is the case here.

[Should I do it or not?]

I still like the idea of rewriting it or writing a similar scene with a better characterization and less logic errors.

Yeah, that's a good idea. I just thought you should do it for yourself rather than because of the stupid flamers.

[Why God Why 'Bad Fanfiction' discussion forum]

Tetris sex??? He must have been REALLY BORED!

I'd love to have sex while playing Tetris! Or with someone who's playing Tetris!

Girlfriend: OH... Oh... Yes!!!! YES!!!

Me: You're about to climax?

Girlfriend: No, I just completed three rows with one block!!!

[OCs... what do you think of them?]

For an OC who is not a major character, I prefer not to tell his entire life story, but if I can enrich his contribution to the plot with any relevant details, I'll add them. In one story I needed a motel clerk character for a minor role and none of the canon characters had the appropriate personality, so I created an OC who really grew on me, as well as on a few of my readers. It wasn't important to the plot where he grew up or who his friends were, but I did enjoy throwing in little details like what he watched on TV while loafing behind the desk.

Exactly. I find it hard to come up with OCs, but sometimes you need them. You need someone to lose his two tickets to a tropical paradise in a contest with a fandom character. You need someone to drive fandom character and his fandom girlfriend to the most romantic hotel on the island. And you need someone to spike their tequila with an aphrodisiac... (No, this isn't from any story I know of.)

I have a writer colleague who loves OCs. He says they're very important because they give you a fuller picture of the fandom universe than you can get from the original video game/movie/whatever.

Me, I just like pairing people off. And pairing fandom characters up is generally hotter than pairings with OCs, because you have actual pictures and/or video of fandom characters. It's hard to make up for that when you describe your OCs.

I like reading OCs, though. So long as they have some personality, their background is mostly relavent to the story, and they're not Mary Sues, I can dig them.

happy pairings,

The Pairing Guy

[Sex scenes becoming too repetitive?]

Yep, Canterro gives good advice. In published novels, if two characters have a steady sexual relationship, usually the author still only actually shows them having sex two or three times, spread out across the novel. So it would be a good idea to skip over most of the times Karasae and Nessa get in on, or just hint at it without actually showing the whole thing. (Sometimes I find that when two characters who we've seen have sex before hint that they're going to take another roll in the hay, it's hotter than actually seeing them do it over again.)

Otherwise, I really like Canterro suggestion of different moods. Also, you mentioned toys and different positions... don't forget that you can be creative without using either of those. For instance, there's a really good novel with a scene where a guy does it with his lover while she's talking to a friend on the phone.

[Here to improve writing skills - or for an ego boost?]

I've never used it myself, but I interpret "please be kind" in an author's note to mean the author is particularly nervous about the response to his or her story but isn't opposed to concrit. I see the "pbk" note in a lot of first time authors' stories.

Yeah, those notes really come in a lot of varieties. Sometimes it's just a polite, nervous, "Please don't kill me" thing, and doesn't necessarily mean that they're at all opposed to helpful criticism(though it might). And then there are ones that explicitly say, "If you don't love this story, don't review!" And pretty much everything in between.

[My Sob Story for the Week]

You made for a convincing argument until you labeled my POV as BS, after which I dismissed you as an ass. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a little mutual respect makes for stronger presentation.

Sorry, but there's no way you can make me believe that you've read stuff at FF.net and believe that it's "Junior/Kiddy/Underage/Politically Correct". No one is that stupid. Either you lied about having read anything on FF.net, or you read stuff there and lied about what the content is. Either way, that is BS.

If you want respect, EARN IT. Spewing out malicious lies and then getting upset when someone calls you on it is childish.

overwhelming majority? let's get th is straight. The majority of adults do not read fanfiction AT ALL. Fanfiction itself is already a niche corner, and you'd be deluding yourself to think otherwise.

Um, dude, we were talking about adults who read fanfiction. And the difference between two fanfiction sites. I made that very clear: "I have five friends who also read fanfic,"(note the underlined word) Why are you bringing up adults who don't read fanfiction? ...Oh, I see, you just wanted to make it out like I was arguing that most adults read fanfiction.

How old are you? I seem to recall that to be on AFF you have to be at least 18 (or lied about your age). This also calls into question the average age of readership for both FF.net and AFF.net, which I'm pretty sure you have no way of knowing.

I don't see how my age, or the average age of the readerships, have to do with any of this. You're going to have to explain yourself here.

AFF is a indeed a niche corner for us perverts, and I don't need to justify my motives for being here, but saying in one fell swoop that EVERYTHING here is smut/darkfic is an insult to all the authors who's creativity and spent time have produced some very admirable pieces.

And I not only never said that, I very explicitly said the opposite: "People come to AFF for Darkfic and sex scenes(not saying there isn't anything else, but you really have to look for it)"

So that's twice in one post that you lied about what I said. You're not doing a good job of earning mutual respect, or even showing that you're entitled to your opinion.

[Should I do it or not?]

Well, just to unload my two cents, I think you shouldn't let what the flamers say affect you either way. You shouldn't let it make you stop writing, and you shouldn't let it make you post a fic you're not proud of. If not posting it means that the flamers think that they "beat" you, so what? You know that you're not beaten, and that's what counts.

[My Sob Story for the Week]

Disagree with you on this one. Just look at the popularity of the fiction 'love' novels, most of which DO have hot sex scenes in them - over sales figures of all other fiction novels. What the majority of adults want to read, is a fanfiction with a PLOT. If there's smut in there, it's great as long as it flows smoothly with a plot.

I wasn't talking about smut as a story element, I was talking about smut as a genre. Generally speaking, people want sex scenes in those novels because sex is an important part of romantic relationships, not because they like reading about other people having sex. They buy those novels for the romance, not for the sex scenes.

People come to AFF for Darkfic and sex scenes(not saying there isn't anything else, but you really have to look for it), if you're looking for anything else you'll have much better luck at FF.net.

[Vocabulary Turn-offs]

It would have to be really, really bad for one word to make me stop reading a story and generally if the word is horrible enough, the story is too. I'll take "penis" any day over "blue-veined custard-chucker", for example.

Hee hee... that's a good one. Actually, while that would be bad in the descriptions, I think it'd be great in dialogue. I'd love to see a fic with someone screaming "Oh sweet ripe cheese, yes! Yes! Stick me with your blue-veined custard-chucker!" I love it when smut doesn't take itself too seriously.

[Reviews That Make You Squee]

I, like everyone else here get reviews consisting mostly of 'I liked your story, can't wait for the next chapter.' This tells me about as much as a phone book listing only last names.

Yep. Still, you have to admit, it's better than nothing at all.

[A new contestant has appeared!]

Welcome to the AFF boards! Your English sounds very natural, by the way.

I don't really have any challenges to offer you at the moment, but in case you missed them, there's a few Final Fantasy IV challenges that haven't been answered yet in the Challenges section.

[My Sob Story for the Week]

I wouldn't call you the idiot, you just took someone's advice, and it turned out to be wrong.

Actually, with all due respect, shinigami IS the idiot. Fanfiction.net has rules which clearly state which type of works they do not allow. You are required to read and agree to these rules when you register with them, and read and agree to them again when you post a story there. Since he's posting here, shinigami is obviously not illiterate. So why was he relying on a friend to tell him what those rules say?

shinigami, I'm not trying to insult you. It just pisses me off when people say "How dare those people warn/censor/ban me just because I agreed to their rules and then immediately violated them in blatant fashion?"

[My Sob Story for the Week]

FF.net is like the Junior/Kiddy/Underage/Politically Correct little sister of AFF.

This is so untrue that it's not even funny. All AFF has is the smut and darkfic - which, believe it or not, the overwhelming majority of adults do not want to read. (I have five friends who also read fanfic, and of the six of us, I'm the only one who would touch a porn fic with a ten foot pole.) FF.net is everything else.

Be honest: FF.net basically is online fan fiction. AFF is just the little niche corner for us desperate perverts.

There's nothing wrong with being a part of AFF.net. You don't need to justify yourself by spewing BS about the only alternative being "Junior/Kiddy/Underage/Politically Correct".

[Vocabulary Turn-offs]

I think there is no word that can be counted on to be a automative turn-off. More often than not bad writing is the culprit. It's the sum of the parts that gets my attention. If the premise is good, the sex scene makes sense and I'm pitching a tent in my pants, then the Author probably did something right.

Yep, couldn't agree more.

And I have to say, I laughed when I saw the original poster's list and noticed that he put both "pussy" and "vagina". Seriously, if you can't stand anything that isn't M/M, just say so!

I laughed even harder when I browsed over the rest of the posts. I bet that if you put together all these lists into one big list, you'd have every single word that has ever been used in a sexual context.