Desiderius Price

Once the time turner gets written in, “linearity” is out the window   Not that it was the first point of non-linearity, as I’ve also got some “alternate reality” creeping in too.  Thus, quirks are starting to appear, like new yet old paintings showing up on the walls at Hogwarts.

I guess I’ve gotten into your head? My bad.

Heh… was recently thinking of this thread while working on my potter fanfic as it involved a time turner

My take is that brilliant non-linear stories you here talk about get their fame from being good despite not being linear.

A possible comparison is the Westworld tv-show season 1 that had a big reveal when you realized what you had been watching. In season 2 they wanted to repeat the trick and made things just as non-linear and in the end it was barely watchable. I have avoided the later seasons like plague.

My point is that for every successful non-linear storytelling there are many more trainwreck attempts. Doing non-linear storytelling that manage to capture the reader is seriously difficult.

While I overall consider the first real big “rewrite” of my potter fanfic to be a disaster on several fronts; one good thing I added was a snippet of a near-climatic scene at the start of it  (Voldemort proclaiming he had the elixir of immortality) along with “two years earlier...” line.  On my originals, which I marked in AO3 as a “series”, I start with a quote from a future historian, which sets up the atmosphere; all stories are timestamped at the start, though the years are renumbered to avoid an explicit earth-year connection (which can present challenges in dialogue).

On the practical side, I’d suggest against super long chapters too.  I’ve tried that on my potter fanfic years ago, reorganized/rewrote thinking it was a “good thing” with my highest being like 107k… nope!  Not only did I lose some details in that consolidation, I also lost focus to the chapter too.  Small details/scenes were now one/two sentences in basically a wall of text.  (Which it became as FFN.net somehow seemingly lost all my carriage returns, so it was one big “blob”; and a fast re-insert of them is how I uncovered FFN’s new 65k max per chapter limit.)
I’m still pulling that 107k old chapter apart right now with my “rewrite” … though I’ve now got at least 121 in its place, which is probably close to 1M words itself as I now hover around the 6-7k words per chapter average, and if the chapter nears the 10kword mark, I seek to break it up.  Even in my Jefferey episodic story, I’ll effectively do “part 1” and “part 2”.

The technical limit would be a @manta2g or @DemonGoddess type of question, and it’d be in bytes, not words. 
I know we’ve had some of the annual halloween/holiday round-robin submissions where it’s 50k max for the rules, but that’s more of a reader tolerance limit IMO.  In comparison, AO3 limits it to 500k characters, and FFN limits your documents to 5MB (and will stop adding to the word count at 65k words).

Fanfiction *is* a spot to experiment with writing, so try it out, and see if it works!

On the practical side, I’d suggest against super long chapters too.  I’ve tried that on my potter fanfic years ago, reorganized/rewrote thinking it was a “good thing” with my highest being like 107k… nope!  Not only did I lose some details in that consolidation, I also lost focus to the chapter too.  Small details/scenes were now one/two sentences in basically a wall of text.  (Which it became as FFN.net somehow seemingly lost all my carriage returns, so it was one big “blob”; and a fast re-insert of them is how I uncovered FFN’s new 65k max per chapter limit.)
I’m still pulling that 107k old chapter apart right now with my “rewrite” … though I’ve now got at least 121 in its place, which is probably close to 1M words itself as I now hover around the 6-7k words per chapter average, and if the chapter nears the 10kword mark, I seek to break it up.  Even in my Jefferey episodic story, I’ll effectively do “part 1” and “part 2”.

The technical limit would be a @manta2g or @DemonGoddess type of question, and it’d be in bytes, not words. 
I know we’ve had some of the annual halloween/holiday round-robin submissions where it’s 50k max for the rules, but that’s more of a reader tolerance limit IMO.  In comparison, AO3 limits it to 500k characters, and FFN limits your documents to 5MB (and will stop adding to the word count at 65k words).

Fanfiction *is* a spot to experiment with writing, so try it out, and see if it works!

Yeah, possibly it’s going to be an issue. But I think I can make it work. I’m making somewhat clear I think. I have for instance in the description “Then we went to work here”. So in the next chapter when they aren’t working there yet, I think it will be clear. Though I can’t be sure.

Getting the readers onboard with minimal confusion is always the trick here.  As you’re doing character A/B/C/D treatment, I’d still recommend making it as chronological in order as possible, with dates and some transition for wherever it’s not.  Star Trek usually did it with “stardate...” that became meaningless, and outside of a main character coming/going, a lot of those episodes you couldn’t be pressed on what the actual in-universe order *is*.  My potter fanfic has the POV thing, so it’s doing slight shifts as I cover the Hogwarts crowd in one chapter, and Harry/Ron/Hermione on the next; simply because it offers better focus.

Another idea, maybe this is what you’re going for.  First chapter is a scene  of that party (or whatever it is), with your last lines being “This is their stories.”  And your next chapter be like “A year before that party, the awkward Name was sitting in the library.”  Making it abundantly clear to the (typical) reader what you’re up to here, because as you noted, readers generally expect chronological (or near chronological) order.

Another idea, maybe this is what you’re going for.  First chapter is a scene  of that party (or whatever it is), with your last lines being “This is their stories.”  And your next chapter be like “A year before that party, the awkward Name was sitting in the library.”  Making it abundantly clear to the (typical) reader what you’re up to here, because as you noted, readers generally expect chronological (or near chronological) order.

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“Episodic serial” not sure if it’s exactly the right word.  For example, my Jeff story, which started off as backstory to explain the swimming instructor to the main protagonist, has generally become a series of “episodes”.  So aside from episode one, which is the “inciting incident” to put Jeff into his general living situation, the rest chronicle his development over time with a series of snapshots.  An episode shows the danger that’s generally pressing inward.  Another shows some danger he can bring to himself (hypothermia).  On occasion, two or more parters with a mini-ark when it gets a bit more involved.
There *is* an example on AO3 that I’m aware of, called “The Breeding Ground”, which (according to the summary) is an anthology of Harry Potter sleeping around, with each of the 2,000 chapters featuring a different woman/lady (there’s crossovers to a myriad of other fandoms).  (It’s a tad over 3M words...)  
So, if you’re aiming for the smut circle … you could scatter a common theme at the start of each chapter (a group conversation, part of an orgy) with the BOLD words of “A year earlier...”  I mean, once the audience is used to the format, it might work.

It’s still backstory if it’s “for context.”  Maybe better done as separate oneshots, or an episodic serial?  Out-of-order is going to confuse the reader IMO, (and in my case, myself too.) This is especially true if there’s something where a character dies, and now you’re talking if they’re alive.  Another slight exception here is when I’m doing multiple POVs, so I want to cover character “A” in a dedicated chapter, and “B” in the next (but, the events should be sufficiently disassociated/separate for that to make sense).  To me, the strong “out-of-order” means there’s a structural issue to the story, maybe you’re starting in the wrong spot/incident?  Hope I’m making sense here.

It’s still backstory if it’s “for context.”  Maybe better done as separate oneshots, or an episodic serial?  Out-of-order is going to confuse the reader IMO, (and in my case, myself too.) This is especially true if there’s something where a character dies, and now you’re talking if they’re alive.  Another slight exception here is when I’m doing multiple POVs, so I want to cover character “A” in a dedicated chapter, and “B” in the next (but, the events should be sufficiently disassociated/separate for that to make sense).  To me, the strong “out-of-order” means there’s a structural issue to the story, maybe you’re starting in the wrong spot/incident?  Hope I’m making sense here.

If you’re a time-traveling story… SURE!  Outside of that, you’ll probably confuse the readers if it’s extensive.  (Aside from short flashbacks, or a brief start near the climax along with “two years earlier...”)  This confusion is the main reason I broke up my first story I posted here, I was trying to cram in backstory into chapters as well, and came to realize I basically had multiple stories instead.  (Which, while I’ve yet to really write that first story, I’ve been busy on the others.)

If you’re a time-traveling story… SURE!  Outside of that, you’ll probably confuse the readers if it’s extensive.  (Aside from short flashbacks, or a brief start near the climax along with “two years earlier...”)  This confusion is the main reason I broke up my first story I posted here, I was trying to cram in backstory into chapters as well, and came to realize I basically had multiple stories instead.  (Which, while I’ve yet to really write that first story, I’ve been busy on the others.)

Simple, have a quick conversation chapter one of the sequel.
“Where’s Joe?”
“Six years in prison, because when they say NO PARKING, the really mean NO PARKING.” or
“Got transferred to far, far, away.” or
“He learned why there’s safety bars on woodchippers.  Coroner estimated they recovered 60% of the remains.”
And if you want the villain to be a surprise, have his whereabouts accounted/dismissed for in this conversation too.

Know readers would likely wonder where Jane is, so yeah, a short snippet is good.  Maybe you write a short-short story that covers it?  (Even if you don’t publish, it’d be good to reference.) 
A decent example I’m thinking of, is Star Trek TNG, Gates McFadden got “fired” end of season 1, so they explained her absence as “reassignment to Starfleet Medical”, and once rehired for Season 3, “one year rotation’s over, she’s back”.

I suppose I could add another but that’s not the plan in any sense. At least within the context of the story, Jane would be involved in between the current story I’m writing and the sequel. But I appreciate the insight on how I could mention it.

Me trying to spin a one-line tale with the dialogue…  I figure if it’s nagging on your mind, then it’s likely nagging on the reader’s mind.  Perhaps you’re wanting to sow seeds for a follow-on story (not the direct sequel), so you could drop breadcrumbs, “She’s gone to explore jungles in Colombia haven’t heard from her in ages.”  Anyways, ideas there, hope it helps.