Strange_idea Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 they DID argue, but clarion is mistaken in thinking that’s why she left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Strange_idea said: wait. tying into the dark/light dichotomy, what if malificent and clarion had a positive/negative effect going on, and maleficent’s being happy meant ill fortune for her sister, who’d JUST met the man of her dreams, so she cut all ties to her and cast herself into exile to try and break the effect. except it kinda drove her crazy. both of them, but they can stabilise themselves with the right influences, like the fairies and aurora however, maleficent avoids the place like the plauge and Clarion misses her sister dearly, but is still furious over breaking her heart for such a stupid plan 4 minutes ago, Strange_idea said: they DID argue, but clarion is mistaken in thinking that’s why she left. That is a possibility, but I take it you were unenthused with the passing thought of lord/king Milori being lady/queen Milori? Edited June 9, 2018 by Jwsponky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 like i said, not as familiar with disney fairies, so i can’t quite picture it. and the idea of a character just vanishing bugs me. something happening in the meantime would be okay, though. If she’s still around, maybe she acts as a go-between for them. althought maybe she;s just a girlfriends, not another sister. her being there could be why maleficent thinks things will be balanced without her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Strange_idea said: like i said, not as familiar with disney fairies, so i can’t quite picture it. and the idea of a character just vanishing bugs me. something happening in the meantime would be okay, though. If she’s still around, maybe she acts as a go-between for them. althought maybe she;s just a girlfriends, not another sister. her being there could be why maleficent thinks things will be balanced without her. That is a fair point Idea about the light crystal, what if instead of merely being similar to the Tower Heart, it was supposed to be a counter to said artifact, the power source of an anti Overlord that exploded during the making of it, creating the Blasted Wastes? Then what if after reassembling the crystal (Light Heart, with the Tower Heart possibly being referred to as the Dark Heart?) and feeding it the energy from Fay's shrines, Hiccup has to drain five light sorceresses, point blank refusing to follow the Black Baron's example of 'human' sacrifice, Fay, Rapunzel, Snow, Aurora, and... I'm blanking on a fifth... leading to Fay's subordinates to assume Hiccup is trying to kill Fay, leading to the chase around the Sanctuary as they try and 'rescue' her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 Fay could try and calm them down, and they could immediately jump to the conclusions that parallel her canon fate (she’s been turned dark) (she’s been killed and brought back as a loyal ghost slave) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 watching strange magic as we speak, but have to go to bed soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Strange_idea said: Fay could try and calm them down, and they could immediately jump to the conclusions that parallel her canon fate (she’s been turned dark) (she’s been killed and brought back as a loyal ghost slave) Aye, though while Hiccup won't kill her, not that the elves would know that, especially if they believe Florian's tales, Hiccup might corrupt her though, not sure… Any suggestions for the fifth light sorceress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 nah, we need her sane enough to work on the spell. maybe idunna, we had idunna studying magic. alternatively, we have clarion or the collective fairies of pixie hollow. or clarion BACKED by the collective fairies of pixie hollow Or Ariel with her dad’s trident and some ursula training. we seem to have a redundancy. you know i sort of assumed snow was an anti-overlord, but i can’t really see her building that weapon, unless it was a not-weapon that just went REALLY wrong. i dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 plus it’s more of an impact if SNOW is corrupted, because we’re more invested in her at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Strange_idea said: nah, we need her sane enough to work on the spell. maybe idunna, we had idunna studying magic. alternatively, we have clarion or the collective fairies of pixie hollow. or clarion BACKED by the collective fairies of pixie hollow Or Ariel with her dad’s trident and some ursula training. we seem to have a redundancy. you know i sort of assumed snow was an anti-overlord, but i can’t really see her building that weapon, unless it was a not-weapon that just went REALLY wrong. i dunno. 1 minute ago, Strange_idea said: plus it’s more of an impact if SNOW is corrupted, because we’re more invested in her at this time. These are both true... Tell me what ye think of the movie when ye get it finished, and night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 night, i’ll think some more and get back to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) Take your time Though now that I think about it Snow couldn't have had much of a role, if one at all, in trying to make the Light Heart, given that its creation would have taken place at the same time, or very shortly after the Tower Heart's, when she would have been a mere apprentice at most... Edited June 9, 2018 by Jwsponky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 And locked in an underground coffin.... oh, maybe she leared more craft (after raiding her mothers ilbrary) by living in the light tower ruins for a few years, and its part of what shaped her to be so non-conflict, recognising the extremes of her philsophies. We could have some annonymous flashback paragraphs to the ruins of the tower that are revealed to be her, later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Strange_idea said: And locked in an underground coffin.... oh, maybe she leared more craft (after raiding her mothers ilbrary) by living in the light tower ruins for a few years, and its part of what shaped her to be so non-conflict, recognising the extremes of her philsophies. We could have some annonymous flashback paragraphs to the ruins of the tower that are revealed to be her, later This is a possibility… I have been struck by an idea for who could have been trying to make the Light Heart (which I might call the Castle Heart which sounds marginally less silly to me), Yen Sid, the sorcerer from the short 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice' who is apparently the most powerful good magic user in all of Disney, and incidentally modeled after Walt Disney himself by the crew animating the short Edited June 10, 2018 by Jwsponky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 Yeah, disney used to act out film scenes. The crew swear that snow white m8ght have single-handedly set the bar too high for future expectations but it was NOTHING on walt's version Hmmm. He could he the anti-black baron. What if black baron died tryibg to steal the crystal, causing the disaster, and a dying yen taught snow everything he could. Via a book he put a copy of himself in. It could be used as a magic tutor to the others and source of advice to snow, but needs her to vouch for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 He could have woken her up and called her with his last breath, seeking a worthy successor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Strange_idea said: Yeah, disney used to act out film scenes. The crew swear that snow white m8ght have single-handedly set the bar too high for future expectations but it was NOTHING on walt's version Hmmm. He could he the anti-black baron. What if black baron died tryibg to steal the crystal, causing the disaster, and a dying yen taught snow everything he could. Via a book he put a copy of himself in. It could be used as a magic tutor to the others and source of advice to snow, but needs her to vouch for them. 9 hours ago, Strange_idea said: He could have woken her up and called her with his last breath, seeking a worthy successor. Those would work Jumping topics again, but given that you managed to track down several pictures of Megara as Hades, could you try and find one of Belle as a beast? I have attempted the search, but failed... Edited June 10, 2018 by Jwsponky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 i might know a few. speaking of, two ideas of the bat. she could either be holed up in a mansion full or cursed were-people trying to find a cure…. or everyone could be turned into furniture, and she’s still trying to find a cure. her BEING the beast (and i mean doing his character parts, not just being animalistic) would be a fun twist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, Strange_idea said: i might know a few. speaking of, two ideas of the bat. she could either be holed up in a mansion full or cursed were-people trying to find a cure…. or everyone could be turned into furniture, and she’s still trying to find a cure. her BEING the beast (and i mean doing his character parts, not just being animalistic) would be a fun twist That is an idea I had not considered, I had planned for there to just be a village of beasts, perhaps in the Gévaudan region of France just for the heck of it, possibly the result of a curse several generations back, causing Hiccup to immediately suspect to himself either Maleficent or Mirage, but their hands are clean in this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 https://icecatdemon.deviantart.com/art/Beauty-as-a-Beast-182424729 https://madmoiselleclau.deviantart.com/art/Different-Ending-Commission-112472977 https://strawberrygina.deviantart.com/art/Baying-Belle-55198910 https://whimsywulf.deviantart.com/art/Beast-Belle-401263845 https://img00.deviantart.net/d07a/i/2010/164/c/1/a_beastly_family_picnic_by_spicysteweddemon.jpg and just genderbent beast: https://miranh.deviantart.com/art/Request-Belle-and-The-Beast-Genderbend-601028082 https://thewonderpuppet.deviantart.com/art/Genderbent-Beast-382188160 https://esther-shen.deviantart.com/art/Handsome-and-the-Beast-550577554 this is a good design. I also found a cool toothless design. it’s a guy, but just imagine this: http://kiu1023.tumblr.com/image/104521446043 as a girl. the scale face tattoos seem like a good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Jwsponky said: That is an idea I had not considered, I had planned for there to just be a village of beasts, perhaps in the Gévaudan region of France just for the heck of it, possibly the result of a curse several generations back, causing Hiccup to immediately suspect to himself either Maleficent or Mirage, but their hands are clean in this one I like the ‘huh, not me’ angle. belle could be an ameteur alchemist/inventor/mage trying to cure it or just the village bookworm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Strange_idea said: I like the ‘huh, not me’ angle. belle could be an ameteur alchemist/inventor/mage trying to cure it or just the village bookworm Thank you for the pictures, and now I'm struck by the idea that once Hiccup hears the tale, he doesn't even have to say anything, he just 'hmms' and Maleficent in Mirage reflexively say "Not me this time." knowing Hiccup would, not within out reason, suspect one of them. Not sure if the unnamed enchantress from the film who did cast the curse will show up, if a curse was indeed cast... 50/50 on whether the beasts will be a 'natural' race… Though if it was a curse, if it had been cast generations back, would they still be trying cure it, or just accept it as the normal state of affairs?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 well, belle always WAS the odd duck out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwsponky Posted June 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Strange_idea said: well, belle always WAS the odd duck out. This is true, and I missed the comment you made about the dragons' human forms having scale like markings, which is something I had not contemplated, I had planned for them to just have pale skin, with the same color eyes as their dragon form, and hair the same color as their scales, meaning Toothless could masquerade as a normal human with black hair and green eyes for example, but Stormfly would stand out with yellow eyes and sky blue hair with blond streaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange_idea Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 probably better. just thought it was a cool design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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