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I started this for the thread Never Would I Ever Write this Tag… but realised it was increasingly off topic and derailing, and if I finish my thoughts on all the current tags it’d lead to wall-of-text breaks in the conversation there so started a new one to keep it in place. If you’ve got a tag you wouldn’t ever write, click the link and talk about it there!

Meanwhile, my thoughts on tags I have written and other tags and general stuff from a writer’s perspective. If it belongs more in aimless babble or something then I hope one of the mods will be happy to move it :) (Thanks if so!):

3Plus - Yep, have written this. The more the merrier but it can be hard for less talented writers like myself to keep track of where things are at any given time. So, you've written a cock up an ass and then you write another cock up the same ass and then you've got either a cocktinuity error or double anal.

ABDL - If I was back writing and there was a challenge that really engaged me I could see me doing a story with it, but it falls squarely in the "very specific fetish that doesn't arouse me so is hard to understand" catagory for me. I'm semi-surprised it's even popular enough to have had a tag while more common weird fetishes like sizeplay/shrinking/growth don't, but of course some of the tags were very different in the early years and it's grown and changed.

Abortion - I have a story that would qualify for this warning tag ("Revenge of the Ravenclaw" -self abortion sort-of-blood-magic) but doesn't have it. I think it may have been brought in after the story was written, because I was always pretty hot on tagging anything triggering that had tags available. Could have missed it though. Definitely a tag that you want not because there's any kind of fetished/meant to be sexy content in it (certainly isn't in mine) but because of the importance of helping people avoid content that would disturb them. Incidentally, while I fully support that for porn I think it's fucking stupid in an academic context.

Abuse - Have written. Have had characters get the shit abused out of them. And indeed into them, but that's later.

AFFO - I've got some AFF exclusives! I think all of the Slumber Party stories are AFFO. You! is too.

Ageplay - I don't remember exploring this kink, but you could have some fun with it. Yoda/Luke for example... I guess I'd take a crack sometime if I was writing again.

Anal -  Written it from both the rough hard violent angle and the gentle more fun loving angle. It has it's place.

Angst - This is a hard one to get right. Fanfic writers do like to see their favorite characters summer emotional torments that can only finally be soothed away by a spot of anal. I think I have had some angsty characters, although my stories having PWP tendancies tend to reduce the options.

Anthro - Yiff in hell furfags! You and all your anthro loving kind can... wait, what? I wrote what? Loving furry yaoi? Oh, yeah. Let me rephrase that. Anthro's great! Can't go wrong with a furry fuckfest.

BDSM - Me? Write anything “Safe, sane and consensual”? Not in this lifetime. This is a tag that I feel gets misused. If a character is tied up and tortured and raped and hasn't given clear prior consent, limits, boundaries and the rest or got the option to withdraw consent at any time it's not BDSM but it still gets tagged as such. And joking aside, I did write a consensual BDSM scene one time I'm sure, with an Orc/Elf, but it was in the same story as earlier rape and such.

Beast - Have written. It's fine in fantasy, abhorant in the real world. Got a few requests that made me smile. Although throwing out the word "Horsecock" just makes me giggle like a schoolgirl. I'm doing it right now. Giggle.

Bi - I've written Bi encounters. Bi visibility is something that could definitely be improved in this world of ours. Possibily not through one of my fics though.

Bigotry - Ahh, trigger warning time. Yeah, I've done it. Lot of bigoted characters in my fics, generally because if I was writing someone doing something horrible to someone else  it was easier if they were not a nice person.

My List part 2 http://www2.adult-fanfiction.org/forum/topic/66607-on-tags-ive-used-by-a-writer/?do=findComment&comment=414406

My List part 3 - http://www2.adult-fanfiction.org/forum/topic/66607-on-tags-ive-used-by-a-writer/?do=findComment&comment=414416

 

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1 minute ago, JayDee said:

Sure! It’s a discussion forum not a lecture room :)

Omg a AFF perv workshop would be the awesomest thing ever.

But on topic, I don’t think I’ve ever actually played with any of the fun tags before. I think the raciest thing I’ve done in my stories is 3plus. Otherwise, it’s usually the standard ‘anal, m/m, violence, etc’. Of course I’ve touched on a couple fetishes too, but they don’t currently have tags. 

 

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Okay, “Horsecock” made me giggle, too. :lol:

But I’m going to agree entirely on your take on BDSM. The misuse of that tag drives me nuts, right up there with D/s (which I write) and M/s. If you aren’t in the lifestyle, and can’t be arsed to do a little research, stick to something else. It’s just irritating to see poorly disguised rapefics masquerading as BDSM. If there’s no consent, it’s rape. Period. Own it. And yes, I’ve written Rape, too.

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3 hours ago, BronxWench said:

But I’m going to agree entirely on your take on BDSM. The misuse of that tag drives me nuts, right up there with D/s (which I write) and M/s. If you aren’t in the lifestyle, and can’t be arsed to do a little research, stick to something else. It’s just irritating to see poorly disguised rapefics masquerading as BDSM. If there’s no consent, it’s rape. Period. Own it. And yes, I’ve written Rape, too.

 

*renounces the internet in shame and retires to become a cave hermit for the rest of her life* Okay but in my defense, sometimes it is consensual, but yeah, mostly not :blush: I mean I use the rape tag of course and it's always clear that it IS rape. Can I just mention how glad I am that we don’t have a non-con tag? Like some people want to pretend there’s a difference and there really, REALLY isn’t :P

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The tag on AFF actually was “NC” instead of “rape” or “rapefic” for quite a long time, but the codes have changed and clarified since. I think NC was stopped a good few years ago now. The one that hacks me off is “Dubcon.” Either characters have established consent (whether it has been made aware to the readers or not) or they haven’t. And if they haven’t, it’s rape. If they have it’s consent. There’s no dubious consent. Bah. There’s loads more points I have to rant about this but, screw it, I don’t like the term, other writers seem to, and I’m a bitter old nobody left behind by modern events.

Edit: ps Horsecock. chortle.

Edit2: @CloverReef “Today’s seminar: The correct use of pegging in establishing a character as a right little bitch boy.”

Edit3: The @ tagging didn’t work first time. So I’m also left behind by modern forum tagging. Bah and indeed humbug.

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Trust me, when I’m moderating, if I see Dubcon, I look for Rape. If I don’t see Rape, I warn and hide. Trigger tags like Rape are not something I take lightly. 

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4 hours ago, BronxWench said:

Okay, “Horsecock” made me giggle, too. :lol:

But I’m going to agree entirely on your take on BDSM. The misuse of that tag drives me nuts, right up there with D/s (which I write) and M/s. If you aren’t in the lifestyle, and can’t be arsed to do a little research, stick to something else. It’s just irritating to see poorly disguised rapefics masquerading as BDSM. If there’s no consent, it’s rape. Period. Own it. And yes, I’ve written Rape, too.

 

3 minutes ago, BronxWench said:

Trust me, when I’m moderating, if I see Dubcon, I look for Rape. If I don’t see Rape, I warn and hide. Trigger tags like Rape are not something I take lightly. 

Rape can be in conjunction to other tags, including BDSM.  I suppose it’s a cultural thing too, depends on how the author was raised, thinking if the victim didn’t explicitly opt-out, then it’s okay.  But in my fics, I generally know already when I’m setting up the scene, consensual or not, making it clear to me if it’s rape or not.  And rape is a tag that can creep in too, when you’re not thinking about it from the victim’s point of view.

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The thing with BDSM is that everything needs to be consensual. Period. It’s not subject to negotiation or interpretation. If both parties don’t fully consent, it’s not BDSM. It’s rape.

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DUBCON what fresh pussyfooting-around-morality hell is that? 

@JayDee So where do we report for the seminar? :P

Okay, so I went to college in California and they drilled it into my head there that no means no, maybe means no and silence also means no, so there isn’t a whole lot of wiggle room to get out of a Rape tag! Since I like rape as a conflict setup, and my characters don’t ask each other for permission all that much (ever?) I just tag that bish and proceed on my merry way. 

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Alright, the list:

  • 3Plus, Abuse, AFFO, Anal, Angst, Complete, FF, Fet, Fingering, HC, HJ, Humil, MF, MM, MCD, MiCD, NoSex, Oneshot, Oral, Other, SH, Solo, Toys, UST, Violence, WD, WIP - The typical tags, typical uses
  • Abortion - only because I mentioned a character having an abortion, I’m not describing it.
  • Bi – Sparingly, but it’s there
  • Bigotry – More religious and/or LGBT bigotry.
  • BP – My last halloween story is the only one with this, so far
  • Contro – Generally due to the religious overtones.
  • CR – General corruption, not sexual
  • Exhib – My protagonists generally like roaming around naked :)
  • Humil – From time to time
  • MBP – That halloween story
  • Minor1 – Doesn’t always imply sex, I’ll list this if the kid is simply running around naked a lot.
  • Minor2 – More frequent.  Teens give a nice balance (from the writer’s perspective) between being rational at times and irrational when I need it.
  • Nec – again, that halloween story
  • NoSex – yes, I’ve had a story or two, the holiday/halloween oneshots that were NoSex (sparingly, but they are there).
  • Preg – not often, but this came more in on The Repair Guy than any other one.
  • PWP – this is one I generally *don’t* write because PWP tends to attract the plot bunnies.  (In fact, my entire orig universe comes from what started as a PWP...)
  • Rape – Sparingly, normally needed for the plot
  • Scat – This is typically CYA, however, my last halloween story was closer than any before.
  • Tent – (pending...it’s written, not posted)
  • Tort – Not strict torture, generally, though the angst/violence/bullying can reach that point where I’ll tag for it.
  • Voy – This is more CYA than real voyeurism.
  • WS – I kinda do like using this, not as icky as scat, but can be used as part of the bonding.
  • Xeno – (pending … it’s written, not posted)
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3 hours ago, JayDee said:

“Today’s seminar: The correct use of pegging in establishing a character as a right little bitch boy.”

I totally read this in a uber posh academia voice. I’m a writing-tips-ophile, and now I am completely disappointed/outraged that all the podcasts I follow don’t cover this shit! 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, CloverReef said:

I totally read this in a uber posh academia voice. I’m a writing-tips-ophile, and now I am completely disappointed/outraged that all the podcasts I follow don’t cover this shit!

And to do this properly, in the name of this topic, you ought to be at the front of the room, naked, waxing off while peeing all over everybody, that’ll add in some more tags to the discussion.

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1 hour ago, Desiderius Price said:

And to do this properly, in the name of this topic, you ought to be at the front of the room, naked, waxing off while peeing all over everybody, that’ll add in some more tags to the discussion.

This is the precise reason we need an AFF Con, mods make it happen :lol:

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59 minutes ago, KassX said:

This is the precise reason we need an AFF Con, mods make it happen :lol:

We’ve tried with a notable lack of success to plan on meeting at DragonCon one year. RenFaire is easier. :D

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14 minutes ago, BronxWench said:

We’ve tried with a notable lack of success to plan on meeting at DragonCon one year. RenFaire is easier. :D

Ha, that sounds totally awesome. I’d be there in a heartbeat if you guys ever did it again :D

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As to the whole BDSM if its not consensual its rape thing, I guess my take on it is… That yes I agree, but that doesn’t mean the tag can’t still be used and used correctly. I mean the term encompasses everything from Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, Submission, and yes, its USUALLY a role-playing thing between two (or more I suppose) consenting adults but that doesn’t mean it can’t also be a training tool for an unwilling participant especially if the tag is being used in conjunction with the rape tag. I tag BDSM quite often in stories where someone is bound in one way or another and being punished for something they did, said or refused to do. The protagonist in my story often uses bondage, discipline and forced submission as a training tool to break in the women he has imprisoned. If you’re writing a slave training story, which, besides it also being a pseudo psycho romance, is essentially what my story is about, then I think the BDSM tag when used in conjunction with a rape tag makes perfect sense. 

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1 hour ago, Mal said:

As to the whole BDSM if its not consensual its rape thing, I guess my take on it is… That yes I agree, but that doesn’t mean the tag can’t still be used and used correctly. I mean the term encompasses everything from Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, Submission, and yes, its USUALLY a role-playing thing between two (or more I suppose) consenting adults but that doesn’t mean it can’t also be a training tool for an unwilling participant especially if the tag is being used in conjunction with the rape tag. I tag BDSM quite often in stories where someone is bound in one way or another and being punished for something they did, said or refused to do. The protagonist in my story often uses bondage, discipline and forced submission as a training tool to break in the women he has imprisoned. If you’re writing a slave training story, which, besides it also being a pseudo psycho romance, is essentially what my story is about, then I think the BDSM tag when used in conjunction with a rape tag makes perfect sense. 

I totally agree that in the confines of your story, both tags are required. That doesn’t make them codependent or interdependent.

My gripe is when BDSM and D/s are used as an alternative to the Rape tag. That’s never the case, because it’s insulting to anyone who is in those lifestyles (it’s not always just role-playing) to insinuate their consensual relationships are rapes, or that rapists are really just misunderstood because they’re “only training their submissives.” Honestly? Any true submissive would greet that statement with a skillet to the head, and their dominant would hold the idiot for them. It misses the essential dynamic of those lifestyles because both partners have equal control. Both partners can stop everything with a single word. Even in a M/s relationship, the slave partner has willingly relinquished control to the Master. Consent, control, and trust. A rape victim lacks any of that.

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2 hours ago, Mal said:

As to the whole BDSM if its not consensual its rape thing, I guess my take on it is… That yes I agree, but that doesn’t mean the tag can’t still be used and used correctly. I mean the term encompasses everything from Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, Submission, and yes, its USUALLY a role-playing thing between two (or more I suppose) consenting adults but that doesn’t mean it can’t also be a training tool for an unwilling participant especially if the tag is being used in conjunction with the rape tag. I tag BDSM quite often in stories where someone is bound in one way or another and being punished for something they did, said or refused to do. The protagonist in my story often uses bondage, discipline and forced submission as a training tool to break in the women he has imprisoned. If you’re writing a slave training story, which, besides it also being a pseudo psycho romance, is essentially what my story is about, then I think the BDSM tag when used in conjunction with a rape tag makes perfect sense. 

So I guess the reason I think it doesn’t make sense is because what you’re describing isn’t BDSM at all. It’s rape and torture and bondage and sadism – all of which are fun for fics! and most of which have tags seperately - but it’s not BDSM because it isn’t consensual and one party is unwilling. I mean, if you have all that then later on consensual BDSM stuff then that’s a “both tags” situation for sure, but if it’s all rapey it just ain’t BDSM.

This is likely one of those things where I’m kind’ve anal about terminology I guess, but hey, just my thoughts on things. I know my views on the whole “dubcon” label aren’t widely popular either!

@Desiderius Price Tentacles pending sounds like a hentai character’s todo list :P

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Some more thoughts on tags:

B-Mod – Yes, I did this! I had a nipple piercing scene as part of the Sheeva/Sonya Blade story. It’s kind of a fetish thing in some areas, of course, and I can see how it could be quite triggering. I bet fans of the “gothification” subgenre search for ‘em too.

Bond – They took this one away for a bit and I asked ‘em to bring it back for all the rapey bondage stuff (here http://www2.adult-fanfiction.org/forum/topic/12402-content-code-suggestions/?do=findComment&comment=354332 ) because a lot of the time characters were getting restrained for the violatin’ and such. Good wholesome tag :P

BP – I have used this, but rarely. I think I tended to assume it was pretty fetish specific while blood just tended to get splattered around the place for mine without being focus or toy. Maybe if I’d done more vamp stuff? It’s on the Sheeva/Sonya story but I finished that ages ago and cannot specifically recall what for. Maybe after the flaying near the end? Did I leave the flaying in? Damn, my mind is getting hazy.

CBT – A lot of the “male being dominated” stuff I’ve done has involved unlikely anal insertions so I don’t know specifically if I used this. I always wanted to do a sounding fic. Can’t specifically recall having used it though.

ChallengeFic – Ha, yeah, many of my finished stories are request fics or story prompt words. Making someone’s fucked up fantasy appear on the page was always a nice challenge. Always a shame when they didn’t give any feedback afterwards though. This also caused me the most trouble too though, after I did those original fics where the guy provided his real name, his sister’s real name and enough real life details for his family to find them because for fucks sake that was a good idea.

COMPLETE – Always nice to be able to use this. There’s a few I have that’re unfinished and likely never will be. A tendency to write more parts for “oneshots” has been a little self defeating sometimes.

Contro – This is a relatively newer tag (cue “It’s been here a good five years now!”) and makes sense as a trigger warning. I guess it’s a little subjective – there’s some areas where anything pro-abortion or pro “not letting fuckwits with raging paranoia and drug induced psychosis have easy access to guns” plot points are pretty controversial but I think the tag works quite well. Some of these work as well as advertisements as warnings!

 CR – I don’t really remember the corruption tag. Is it newer? Perhaps I’ve just overlooked it? I’ve done stories with corruption elements so if the tag had been there I hope I’d have used it. One of my favourite original stories is Tantric Legion’s old Infernal Destiny from years ago. I like the theme!

Ds – I’ve done some stories with dominating and submitting characters but I tend to think of this as implying a more formal ideal than I’ve written usually. I may have a story with this tagged but don’t recall it.

Dom – As with DS. I think I used it once or twice? Maybe? Certainly had some domination going on. My fading memory is really leaving me with less to say about some of these!

DP – Multitasking characters are fun! I have used this’n a few times generally in 3plus situations.

My List part 3 - http://www2.adult-fanfiction.org/forum/topic/66607-on-tags-ive-used-by-a-writer/?do=findComment&comment=414416

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, BronxWench said:

I totally agree that in the confines of your story, both tags are required. That doesn’t make them codependent or interdependent.

My gripe is when BDSM and D/s are used as an alternative to the Rape tag. That’s never the case, because it’s insulting to anyone who is in those lifestyles (it’s not always just role-playing) to insinuate their consensual relationships are rapes, or that rapists are really just misunderstood because they’re “only training their submissives.” Honestly? Any true submissive would greet that statement with a skillet to the head, and their dominant would hold the idiot for them. It misses the essential dynamic of those lifestyles because both partners have equal control. Both partners can stop everything with a single word. Even in a M/s relationship, the slave partner has willingly relinquished control to the Master. Consent, control, and trust. A rape victim lacks any of that.

I completely get where you’re coming from here, BronxWench. From you’re previous statement I didn’t realize exactly what you meant about BDSM and rape being two different non interchangeable things. Of course rape isn’t interchangeable with BDSM. I’m of the mind set that anytime consent isn’t given, or where both (or more) parties are all portrayed as willing participants, then that scene/chapter must have a rape tag. To me, the whole concept of dubcon is ridiculous. There is either consent or rape period, end of discussion. Even in stories where a character is reluctant, and believe, me reluctance is one of my favorite themes to play around with, but in the end, in a reluctance story, if the character who is reluctant ends up having sex, either it is with consent, or it is rape. I mean, you wouldn’t use a reluctance tag, and then have that reluctant person not give consent, be forced into sex and then not also include the rape tag… To me, its the same thing with BDSM you can have one with out the other, but you can’t have both without using both tags...

Also, I totally get that BDSM is about control and that both parties are equally responsible for that control. But I guess what I’m saying, and this goes back also to JayDee’s point:

16 minutes ago, JayDee said:

So I guess the reason I think it doesn’t make sense is because what you’re describing isn’t BDSM at all. It’s rape and torture and bondage and sadism – all of which are fun for fics! and most of which have tags seperately - but it’s not BDSM because it isn’t consensual and one party is unwilling. I mean, if you have all that then later on consensual BDSM stuff then that’s a “both tags” situation for sure, but if it’s all rapey it just ain’t BDSM.

This is likely one of those things where I’m kind’ve anal about terminology I guess, but hey, just my thoughts on things. I know my views on the whole “dubcon” label aren’t widely popular either!

@Desiderius Price Tentacles pending sounds like a hentai character’s todo list :P

Is that BDSM is about bondage, dominance, and submission… and this may be semantics, but if you add the rape tag to a BDSM tag I think you are inherently removing consent from the equation. Yes, I suppose you could just use the bondage and D/s tags separately but in the end you’re essentially conveying the same level of content. Especially as a rape tag, at least to me, also inherently includes torture.

All I think you’re saying when you add a BDSM tag is that this story will include, bondage, domination, discipline and submission and by adding the rape tag you’re indicating those things are being forced upon the person, rather than that person being a willing participant. 

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I guess it is semantics. I just see it as if you’re adding Rape to BDSM it ceases in any way to be BDSM and so the BDSM tag would not apply. I guess to me it’s completely different, unrelated level of content even with many of the same elements and I suppose I have a mental block of seeing it any different, whereas, as you’ve explained, you feel differently. I think we probably just see it from completely different viewpoints and might have to agree to disagree, or end up repeating ourselves in slightly different ways and failing to get anywhere! Damn semantics…

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