InBrightestDay

Strangely for a Judeo-Christian angel, he’s rather averse to Jewish people.
I may regret asking this question, but is Aryan Jesus actually a thing, or are we just talking about paintings depicting Jesus as white rather than Middle Eastern, like The Last Supper?
Also…
It’s always good to know that Kevin’s ME-teor joke is very much in the JayDee spirit.

My favorite thing about angels.
Is that typically the first thing they say to mortals is do not be afraid.
 

I accidentally looked at Lovecraft rather than his fictional universe and created the world’s most racist angel, Klandalphon, responsible for all of the Aryan Jesus imagary, currently tasked with working as guardian to the POTUS.

I’m actually familiar with Freefall, even if I haven’t actually read it.  The website Atomic Rockets, which is a useful if sometimes hard to navigate resource for physics equations and potential spaceship designs, has referenced Freefall more than a few times, even using images from the comic as illustrations.
I have actually seen some pictures of angels with wings that are either attached lower down on the back or at the hips.  The latter is strangely popular in anime-inspired works, along with small demonic wings attached at the hip.
If we’re going to talk about skeletal structure, then mid-back makes some sense, since the wings would have their own scapulae rather than being mounted on the ones being used for the arms (removing conflicts over muscle attachments) and would put the wings closer to the center of mass of the human body.  Having said that, it does look a little strange to me, and it would likely conflict even worse with the sword, since now the scabbard would be knocking into the humerus of the left wing instead of passing underneath it, and the angle it would have to be at would be even more restricted than it would with shoulder-mounted wings.
I’m really not a fan of hip-mounted wings.  I feel like as soon as those things start flapping you’re going to end up with the torso hanging forward from the hips during flight, which is not the most majestic image.
Ultimately, though, I don’t know that realism matters that much here.  these are preternatural organisms, after all; they treat the laws of physics more like polite suggestions than anything else, so where the wings are mounted is, as far as I can tell, more a matter of personal preference.
Speaking of which, what did you mean about interpretations of the Bible?  I ask because the only times I recall angels actually being described are in Ezekial 1 (which describes Cherubim and mentions that they have four wings, but never mentions where the wings attach to the body) and Isaiah 6 (which describes Seraphim, but again doesn’t say anything about where the six wings are attached), and maybe Zechariah 5 (verse 9 describes women with wings like those of a crane or stork, who may or may not be angels; again, no word on how the wings are attached).
Feel free!  I’m always happy to learn about new stuff.
Also, this has nothing to do with anything, but while scanning Deviantart to find pictures of the various wing arrangements, I ran across this, which I am linking to because it’s just really cool and creepy.
No kidding.  If the description of your otherworldly visitor includes “four to six wings” and “covered in eyeballs,” it could be something from the Cthulhu Mythos, or it could be something from the Bible, which is kind of awesome.

I’m actually familiar with Freefall, even if I haven’t actually read it.  The website Atomic Rockets, which is a useful if sometimes hard to navigate resource for physics equations and potential spaceship designs, has referenced Freefall more than a few times, even using images from the comic as illustrations.
I have actually seen some pictures of angels with wings that are either attached lower down on the back or at the hips.  The latter is strangely popular in anime-inspired works, along with small demonic wings attached at the hip.
If we’re going to talk about skeletal structure, then mid-back makes some sense, since the wings would have their own scapulae rather than being mounted on the ones being used for the arms (removing conflicts over muscle attachments) and would put the wings closer to the center of mass of the human body.  Having said that, it does look a little strange to me, and it would likely conflict even worse with the sword, since now the scabbard would be knocking into the humerus of the left wing instead of passing underneath it, and the angle it would have to be at would be even more restricted than it would with shoulder-mounted wings.
I’m really not a fan of hip-mounted wings.  I feel like as soon as those things start flapping you’re going to end up with the torso hanging forward from the hips during flight, which is not the most majestic image.
Ultimately, though, I don’t know that realism matters that much here.  these are preternatural organisms, after all; they treat the laws of physics more like polite suggestions than anything else, so where the wings are mounted is, as far as I can tell, more a matter of personal preference.
Speaking of which, what did you mean about interpretations of the Bible?  I ask because the only times I recall angels actually being described are in Ezekial 1 (which describes Cherubim and mentions that they have four wings, but never mentions where the wings attach to the body) and Isaiah 6 (which describes Seraphim, but again doesn’t say anything about where the six wings are attached), and maybe Zechariah 5 (verse 9 describes women with wings like those of a crane or stork, who may or may not be angels; again, no word on how the wings are attached).
Feel free!  I’m always happy to learn about new stuff.
Also, this has nothing to do with anything, but while scanning Deviantart to find pictures of the various wing arrangements, I ran across this, which I am linking to because it’s just really cool and creepy.
No kidding.  If the description of your otherworldly visitor includes “four to six wings” and “covered in eyeballs,” it could be something from the Cthulhu Mythos, or it could be something from the Bible, which is kind of awesome.

If yer going off actual biblical references all bets are off for the angels. Might as well look at Lovecraft.

Lupa: “Wait, Kizzy likes Star Wars too?”
Shannon: “Yeah.  One time, after I set up a Tinder profile for her, she made me watch the Holiday Special...”

Kizzy gets around it by not forming a physical sword at all, but basically a flame light sabre. Seraphs gonna Seraph.

Lupa: “Wait, Kizzy likes Star Wars too?”
Shannon: “Yeah.  One time, after I set up a Tinder profile for her, she made me watch the Holiday Special...”

@ThundercloudI thought there might be the possibility of second language stuff, but I wasn’t sure. 

So, since Thundercloud brought up the sword, I figure I should at least share what I was thinking about.
First, obviously, as the one who has actually made a sword designed to be drawn from the back, Thundercloud, you’re the expert here.  What I’m about to say is just the thought process that went into trying to visualize what this thing would look like.  Just ignore it if it doesn’t make sense (or say Luzurial’s using magic...which she totally could be).
So, in Whore of Heaven, JayDee described Luzurial having a sword longer than her torso sheathed on her back (assuming Luzurial is 6 feet tall, that means the sword is a little more than 3 feet long).  The overhand draw looked really cool in my head, so I kept that for The Woman in the Statue, but then I was like “Crap!  The wings!”
Assuming Luzurial is like the majority of people, she’s right handed, so the scabbard is likely angled so that the hilt sticks out over her right shoulder.  In every depiction of angels or demons I’ve seen, the wings are shown as being attached to the scapulae (shoulder blades), but where on the scapulae varies, so the gap between the attachment points could conceivably be big enough that you could get the sword to pass between them while still having enough of an angle for the hilt to be reached over her shoulder.  Of course, this means that the other end of the scabbard has to pass either over or under one of her wings (the left wing, assuming a right-handed draw).
Passing over the wing is just fine when Luzurial is on the ground and doesn’t have to use her wings, but the second she needs to take off it’s gonna be super awkward, so it made more sense to me that the sword would pass under her left wing.  This is where angels have a serious advantage over demons.  Demonic wings are traditionally based on those of bats and thus have a wing membrane that must be joined to the torso to keep that section of the membrane taut, but angel wings are traditionally based on those of birds, and feathers maintain their shape without being glued to the torso.  Assuming there’s a bit of a gap between the secondary feathers and the attachment point (angels aren’t usually depicted with tertial or scapular feathers, just the primaries and secondaries), the part of the scabbard we need to deal with should be able to fit between the wing and the torso.
Now it’s true, of course, that when beating the wings, the scabbard could mess with some of the secondary feathers (those closest to the body) on the downbeat.  Thing is, because the wings are attached to the back of human scapulae, they actually don’t have the full range of motion that bird wings would; they can’t drop more than a few degrees past the horizontal because a human torso gets in the way.  This would mean that angels and demons would produce less thrust with each wingbeat, but I’m fairly certain magic is being employed here, since the wingspan generally isn’t big enough to loft a human-sized being anyway.  TL;DR, because the wings don’t actually have to go down that far, the scabbard shouldn’t interfere with the secondary feathers too much.
As far as what she does when actually drawing the sword, I think the scabbard is likely to have a non-traditional design, similar to the back scabbard from Shadow of Mordor, which covers the point and the edges of the sword, but is partly open so that she doesn’t have to draw the sword through the full length of the scabbard.

Drawing and sheathing it (especially the latter) would still be pretty tricky, but given that Luzurial is fourteen billion years old, I’m willing to bet she’s had so much practice she’s got it down to a fine art by now.
Again, I’m not pretending to be informed about this.  This was just what I was kind of picturing in my head.

So, since Thundercloud brought up the sword, I figure I should at least share what I was thinking about.
First, obviously, as the one who has actually made a sword designed to be drawn from the back, Thundercloud, you’re the expert here.  What I’m about to say is just the thought process that went into trying to visualize what this thing would look like.  Just ignore it if it doesn’t make sense (or say Luzurial’s using magic...which she totally could be).
So, in Whore of Heaven, JayDee described Luzurial having a sword longer than her torso sheathed on her back (assuming Luzurial is 6 feet tall, that means the sword is a little more than 3 feet long).  The overhand draw looked really cool in my head, so I kept that for The Woman in the Statue, but then I was like “Crap!  The wings!”
Assuming Luzurial is like the majority of people, she’s right handed, so the scabbard is likely angled so that the hilt sticks out over her right shoulder.  In every depiction of angels or demons I’ve seen, the wings are shown as being attached to the scapulae (shoulder blades), but where on the scapulae varies, so the gap between the attachment points could conceivably be big enough that you could get the sword to pass between them while still having enough of an angle for the hilt to be reached over her shoulder.  Of course, this means that the other end of the scabbard has to pass either over or under one of her wings (the left wing, assuming a right-handed draw).
Passing over the wing is just fine when Luzurial is on the ground and doesn’t have to use her wings, but the second she needs to take off it’s gonna be super awkward, so it made more sense to me that the sword would pass under her left wing.  This is where angels have a serious advantage over demons.  Demonic wings are traditionally based on those of bats and thus have a wing membrane that must be joined to the torso to keep that section of the membrane taut, but angel wings are traditionally based on those of birds, and feathers maintain their shape without being glued to the torso.  Assuming there’s a bit of a gap between the secondary feathers and the attachment point (angels aren’t usually depicted with tertial or scapular feathers, just the primaries and secondaries), the part of the scabbard we need to deal with should be able to fit between the wing and the torso.
Now it’s true, of course, that when beating the wings, the scabbard could mess with some of the secondary feathers (those closest to the body) on the downbeat.  Thing is, because the wings are attached to the back of human scapulae, they actually don’t have the full range of motion that bird wings would; they can’t drop more than a few degrees past the horizontal because a human torso gets in the way.  This would mean that angels and demons would produce less thrust with each wingbeat, but I’m fairly certain magic is being employed here, since the wingspan generally isn’t big enough to loft a human-sized being anyway.  TL;DR, because the wings don’t actually have to go down that far, the scabbard shouldn’t interfere with the secondary feathers too much.
As far as what she does when actually drawing the sword, I think the scabbard is likely to have a non-traditional design, similar to the back scabbard from Shadow of Mordor, which covers the point and the edges of the sword, but is partly open so that she doesn’t have to draw the sword through the full length of the scabbard.

Drawing and sheathing it (especially the latter) would still be pretty tricky, but given that Luzurial is fourteen billion years old, I’m willing to bet she’s had so much practice she’s got it down to a fine art by now.
Again, I’m not pretending to be informed about this.  This was just what I was kind of picturing in my head.

So, since Thundercloud brought up the sword, I figure I should at least share what I was thinking about.
First, obviously, as the one who has actually made a sword designed to be drawn from the back, Thundercloud, you’re the expert here.  What I’m about to say is just the thought process that went into trying to visualize what this thing would look like.  Just ignore it if it doesn’t make sense (or say Luzurial’s using magic...which she totally could be).
So, in Whore of Heaven, JayDee described Luzurial having a sword longer than her torso sheathed on her back (assuming Luzurial is 6 feet tall, that means the sword is a little more than 3 feet long).  The overhand draw looked really cool in my head, so I kept that for The Woman in the Statue, but then I was like “Crap!  The wings!”
Assuming Luzurial is like the majority of people, she’s right handed, so the scabbard is likely angled so that the hilt sticks out over her right shoulder.  In every depiction of angels or demons I’ve seen, the wings are shown as being attached to the scapulae (shoulder blades), but where on the scapulae varies, so the gap between the attachment points could conceivably be big enough that you could get the sword to pass between them while still having enough of an angle for the hilt to be reached over her shoulder.  Of course, this means that the other end of the scabbard has to pass either over or under one of her wings (the left wing, assuming a right-handed draw).
Passing over the wing is just fine when Luzurial is on the ground and doesn’t have to use her wings, but the second she needs to take off it’s gonna be super awkward, so it made more sense to me that the sword would pass under her left wing.  This is where angels have a serious advantage over demons.  Demonic wings are traditionally based on those of bats and thus have a wing membrane that must be joined to the torso to keep that section of the membrane taut, but angel wings are traditionally based on those of birds, and feathers maintain their shape without being glued to the torso.  Assuming there’s a bit of a gap between the secondary feathers and the attachment point (angels aren’t usually depicted with tertial or scapular feathers, just the primaries and secondaries), the part of the scabbard we need to deal with should be able to fit between the wing and the torso.
Now it’s true, of course, that when beating the wings, the scabbard could mess with some of the secondary feathers (those closest to the body) on the downbeat.  Thing is, because the wings are attached to the back of human scapulae, they actually don’t have the full range of motion that bird wings would; they can’t drop more than a few degrees past the horizontal because a human torso gets in the way.  This would mean that angels and demons would produce less thrust with each wingbeat, but I’m fairly certain magic is being employed here, since the wingspan generally isn’t big enough to loft a human-sized being anyway.  TL;DR, because the wings don’t actually have to go down that far, the scabbard shouldn’t interfere with the secondary feathers too much.
As far as what she does when actually drawing the sword, I think the scabbard is likely to have a non-traditional design, similar to the back scabbard from Shadow of Mordor, which covers the point and the edges of the sword, but is partly open so that she doesn’t have to draw the sword through the full length of the scabbard.

Drawing and sheathing it (especially the latter) would still be pretty tricky, but given that Luzurial is fourteen billion years old, I’m willing to bet she’s had so much practice she’s got it down to a fine art by now.
Again, I’m not pretending to be informed about this.  This was just what I was kind of picturing in my head.

I meant scabbard...it was second language issues that intruded on my writing ability.

The wings is really an issue with a sword on your back. After building a sword sheet that works on your back and on your waist I can say that drawing your sword over your shoulder is very error prone unless you make the sword very short like in the Conan movies. Moving through a forest with a over the shoulder strapped sword is a horrible idea.

If I wanted to draw my much longer LARP sword in a reliable fashion I had to make the sheet worn so that the sword was drawn around my shoulder so to say. This kind of setup would be impossible with wings.

I think the only real possible solution for over shoulder drawn large weapons is using the solution used in the Berserk manga where the main anti hero has a special sheet that is mostly chains and only the tip of the sword resting is resting in a proper sheet.  A special strap keep the sword connected to his shoulder so when he pulls his sword it actually goes 90 degrees backwards from his body before he pulls it free. In real life such a sheet would work for drawing the sword but the sword sheet would bang into your back on each step until you was in too much pain to walk at all. Some kind of special strap that kept the weapon fixed while walking, but loose when you want to pull the sword could maybe work.

On a side note...I don’t think it would be a good idea for you to read  Berserk...a very depressing setting that is filled with demons, monsters, corrupted churches and lots of lots of victims that are slain in the worst possible fashion.

@InBrightestDay The wings do throw a big curveball into stuff when trying to decide how they wear things. There’s a lot of stuff that the wings would just get in the way of.
@ThundercloudHaving done little hands on work with swords it’s cool to hear it all from someone who does. Though, I’m curious what a sheet is… is that the scabbard? Is it a term I’m not aware of? I’ve just not heard it before.

 

That’s similar to what I’m experiencing.  Most of the science was just done because I wanted to be able to throw a number in there and wanted it to be accurate.  How long does it take Abaddon (the dark matter asteroid) to go from Jovian orbit to Earth?  If I give Abaddon a certain mass, how big will the explosion be upon impact given its mass and impact velocity?  I just wanted the numbers to be real (or as real as I could make them) instead of being pulled out of thin air.  The only part that will actually come up in multiple chapters will be the Torus, since it’s where the characters will spend pretty much the entire story.
And I really sympathize with regard to armor and other equipment working on a being with wings.  I actually spent a long time thinking about Luzurial’s sword for The Woman in the Statue, specifically because it’s supposed to be sheathed on her back, and I kept trying to figure out how it would be angled so that she could reach back and draw it, but also so that it wouldn’t interfere with her wings.  That never even gets discussed in the story; I just wanted to be able to visualize it so that it made sense to me.
It’s really cool to see that you all do this too.  Not only does it make me feel better, it’s just awesome to know how much thought all of you are putting into your stories.

That’s similar to what I’m experiencing.  Most of the science was just done because I wanted to be able to throw a number in there and wanted it to be accurate.  How long does it take Abaddon (the dark matter asteroid) to go from Jovian orbit to Earth?  If I give Abaddon a certain mass, how big will the explosion be upon impact given its mass and impact velocity?  I just wanted the numbers to be real (or as real as I could make them) instead of being pulled out of thin air.  The only part that will actually come up in multiple chapters will be the Torus, since it’s where the characters will spend pretty much the entire story.
And I really sympathize with regard to armor and other equipment working on a being with wings.  I actually spent a long time thinking about Luzurial’s sword for The Woman in the Statue, specifically because it’s supposed to be sheathed on her back, and I kept trying to figure out how it would be angled so that she could reach back and draw it, but also so that it wouldn’t interfere with her wings.  That never even gets discussed in the story; I just wanted to be able to visualize it so that it made sense to me.
It’s really cool to see that you all do this too.  Not only does it make me feel better, it’s just awesome to know how much thought all of you are putting into your stories.

I researched life in Wales at the end of the Roman occupation for one story, and wound up using a soap recipe based on horse chestnuts for another story. Yes, I overthink things….

I have been trying to design armour for succubae, that might get a few sentences of description, and have been just pouring over so much armour through history, fashion, to make it practical, sexy, and work with them damn wings.
So I certainly know the feeling.

Sounds like a great story though!
I reckon all writers must be curious people. All of us do lots of research, more than we strictly need (or ever use). Perhaps the combined google search history of humanity’s writers would contain the entirety of human knowledge.

Also, nothing wrong with doing all the research. S’surely gonna make it more authentic!

“He might be fuckin’ his Mom and his Sister but dammit the math needs to be right” ~ University of Alabama, Physics Department motto.

Out of curiosity, what did the nuclear physics have to do with the story?

Out of curiosity, what did the nuclear physics have to do with the story?