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  1. Mal

    A Question of Consent

    So, KassX, Alex’s reason for building the harem I don’t think are so different than anyone who reads celebrity fiction. He idolized and fantasized about these celebrities and realized that even with his power and influence he might not ever be able to be with any of them and certainly not all of them. The main difference between him and people who read celeb fiction are that A) he is like Bruce Wayne rich, and B) he has sociopathic and psychotic tendencies. The building of the harem for him started out more as a way for Alex to get what he wanted. He didn’t care so much for the feelings of the women he was taking. But as I said, the story has also kind of evolved into a psychosexual romance. Many of Alex’s captives have fallen for him, having been changed by their interactions with him and his very strong alpha type personality. But, and this goes back to InvidiaRed’s point: Alex has also fallen for and been changed by his interactions with the women he’s imprisoned. It is interesting, because he now feels bad for some of the celebs in his harem that they’re going to be forced to stay there forever. But he also recognizes that he can’t let them go because it would take them away from him, and it would obviously have dire legal ramifications for him. Alex is a very interesting character. One of my favorite scenes with him is when he is preparing to go back out into the world in order to bring more celebrities back into his harem. He tells one of the celebs, the one who is put in charge of keeping the peace (at least without the intervention of the guard leaves behind). This celeb is the one he trusts the most, she has pretty much fallen desperately in love with him, but on the other hand doesn’t understand why Alex needs to imprison and brutalize more women, both emotionally and physically and doesn’t want to see other women suffer the same fate as she and the others. She pleads with him not to leave, that she and the others (the original group) are more than enough for him. It is an interesting moment because Alex is torn between his feelings for her and his knowledge that what he is doing is wrong and his desire to go through with his plans. Society may have taught him that his actions are wrong, but the only reason he feels any moral pull not to go through with his plans is because of his interactions with his captives. What’s so interesting about this moment is that old Alex. That is to say the Alex from the first 6-8 chapters wouldn’t have given a moment of hesitation about doing what he wanted, bringing more women to live in his dungeon. He may have irrevocably changed the women he has imprisoned, but they have changed him too. Even more so as the story goes along, because ultimately, Alex went through with his plans and at least temporarily broke the celeb who pleaded with him’s heart. I under stand, and I agree with BronxWench when she said: What is going on in Billion Dollar Harem, even when “consent” is given is rape. The celebs have no power to refuse, at least long term, without ramifications. They can’t leave and while they might have “fallen” in love, that love isn’t real, it is essentially a mechanism for dealing with the trauma of their situation. As to the tagging question. I think I will continue tagging chapters where “consent” is given without using a rape tag. Mostly because the story as a whole has the rape tag so anyone clicking on it for the first time has been warned and I can thereby differentiate with my readers which chapters have sexual content of a more forceful and brutal nature and which do not. I would also like to add I’m happy there was such a response to this question. I must admit when I asked it, I had more or less come to the conclusion that everything going on in Alex’s dungeon was rape, but I was really curious to see if anyone thought that it could EVER become anything other than that. I guess the answer to that question is no, unless Alex were to release them and give them ample time to recover and readjust to normal life. If then, they returned to him to form a relationship, that interaction could have the potential of becoming something more… The whole thing is very interesting, even though I know and as you guys have said, it is rape… Its still interesting to see how these relationships develop and how they change both parties. I guess it is weird to think in terms that without drastically altering the parameters of their relationships it could never be anything else I still think it is very interesting to explore how they change and effect one another… Thanks again for taking the time to consider my question, -Mal
    4 points
  2. InvidiaRed

    A Question of Consent

    Dont forget Lima Syndrome. Where the captor falls for their captive. Or dependency or other sycophantic behavior. Which further muddies the swamp water.
    3 points
  3. KassX

    A Question of Consent

    I think Mal mentioned that Alex has errr… Reasons, lol. I’d be interested to know what those are. My guy’s reasons were that he was under duress as well, and if he refused, he’d simply be made part of the harem and they’d get a newer, probably worse master (better the devil you know, eh?) so he was trying to keep everyone alive up until they had an opportunity to escape. I did intend to transition him to more of a romantic role; ie, he marries one of his old victims and stays friends with the rest, who understand why he did it. I am realizing that might be too idealistic now… I dunno if that reason’s good enough but that’s the one I got lol.
    2 points
  4. KassX

    A Question of Consent

    Ooh I learned something new today! I agree on pessimism; I’ve written pretty dark circumstances, but hope and humor have always been central themes in my writing. @Mal That’s actually a really compelling setup so good on you! I would posit something maybe controversial: if she and Alex are happy together in the end, maybeeee… It doesn’t matter what everyone else thinks? Maybe in the story, that’s just between them and they don’t need outsiders passing judgement on what transpired. Obviously, the relationship can never be completely morally clean and conscionable and I’m pretty sure Alex would burst into flames if he walked into a church, BUT I don't think anyone would complain if you went the romance route. I mean, I haven't even read your story and I'm kind of shipping Alex and the crazy chick I’ll have people on my own (very rapey) fic commenting on the two lines of snuggling I wrote after an entire chapter of rape and wondering which of his victims the MC is going to hook up with in the end and I’m just here like, wow, that wouldn’t be healthy at all. But we’re writing dark fantasies which are completely fictitious anyway; so that’s just part of the territory. And I’m sure you’ve already tagged out the wazoo so it is what it is, eh?
    1 point
  5. I tell people to tag by the chapter if it’s that big a deal, but I want the trigger tags right up front for readers to see. I’m not eager to get those emails from readers who have been blindsided. But just for the record, I haven’t found any tag here that’s a given, even though it’s AFF. Adult doesn’t mean sexual content only, and I almost never write “solo” content.
    1 point
  6. InvidiaRed

    A Question of Consent

    There’s nothing wrong with being optimistic. Stranger shit has happened in reality. And pessimism isn’t all that its cracked up to be.Even in darker settings.
    1 point
  7. InvidiaRed

    A Question of Consent

    Its defintely better to err on the side of caution. Its a heavy topic.
    1 point
  8. The writer, but now that you mention it, maybe they should have boned or something, lol.
    1 point
  9. Oooo my masochisty senses are tingling… I try not to look at tags at all now, because I’ve become pretty gunshy. When I’m in the story and I like the chars, I don’t care: throw in: shit, talking bunny rabbits in top hats, golden showers. Anything, as long as the characters have chemistry and the plot is gripping, I’m all yours. But just seeing the words on their own, all lined up in a neat little line freaks me out. Then again, so does a comma splice in the first paragraph. So does a too-romantic summary… and a billion other things that technically don’t bother me in practice, but totally scare me off in theory. I approach reading stories the same way the uterus approaches sperm. I don’t know why that analogy seems the most apt to me at the moment, it just does. I have probably murdered a lot of gems. (By murder, I mean ‘not read’. Because they’re the same things, right?)
    1 point
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